Offensive Line

[mrp1984]

What do you think is the problem with the offensive line? Is it youth and inexperience or is it the coaching? Does Charlie need to consider a change?

 

[GoshenGipper]

Yes, yes, and possibly yes.

 

[jakerbluegold]

Duncan couldn't handle the LT spot, I'm thinking they should flip him and Young, outside of that the only thing they can do is start one of the freshman

 

[irishfan81]

Move Young to LT, Move Wegner to LG. Sully stays a Center. Put Carufel at RG and Put Romine to RT. And fire John Latina. Get some new O-Line Coach and a reciever coach as well.

 

[ChiND]

Chop blocking two games in a row; if you arent talented enough to play at this level than get off the field...enough said.

 

[GoshenGipper]

Move Young to LT, Move Wegner to LG. Sully stays a Center. Put Carufel at RG and Put Romine to RT. And fire John Latina. Get some new O-Line Coach and a reciever coach as well.

I actually think that might be a pretty good setup.

 

[goldandblue]

I actually think that might be a pretty good setup.

Yeah that's what I thought when I read it. I definetly think Young would make a great backside tackle

 

[mikejND]

I was thinking Romine should start as I watched the game. I have to believe that Duncan won't have that spot to much longer. Does Romine see any action at the left tackle or has he played? If he has, I think it's a good think because we hadn't heard his name. Wenger continued to miss assignments in blitz pick up. I mean honestly, is that coaching? That should be something you study and learn on your own, I don't understand how you could make those mental mistakes.

 

[GoshenGipper]

OH yeah that'll fix it....LMFAO

Dude, calm down. Do you really think that you are the only one here that is upset about the way ND has played this year?

Why are you even on here if the only thing you're going to do is complain, and then make smart alec remarks to those that are trying to actually have a productive conversation?

 

[GoshenGipper]

I've actually heard that Carufel has already been taking quite a few snaps away from Turkovich.

 

[johnnd05]

Dude, calm down. Do you really think that you are the only one here that is upset about the way ND has played this year?

Why are you even on here if the only thing you're going to do is complain, and then make smart alec to those that are trying to actually have a productive conversation?

Seriously. What an ass.

As to Latina and the o-line: it sucks, because I want to say that it's because this is a young group, they're going to take a while to gel, and yada yada yada, but that's a bunch of horseshit, because last year we had a veteran o-line with four seniors, two of whom are in the NFL (right?) and one more of whom will almost certainly be there next year, and we sucked then, too. I think Latina deserves every bit of the flack he's getting; anyone who wants to start up firelatina.com can count on having me as a blogger.

 

[bluelightning]

They need to consider a different point of view, that of a winner, instead of a loser. The offensive line quit early in the game. If nothing else a Notre Dame team should fight until the last moment with every ounce of fight in them. " Carry me off wounded and to the point that I can not breath, but not until then." They were not prepared plysically or mentally. They looked like a high school team and a bad one at that. Great coachs can't make great players, however great players can make coachs look very good, it is too bad we do not seem to have either one. Who recruited this team, no speed in the back field, receivers that can not catch, and a quarterback who might be good if he did not have to spend most of his time scrambling for his life or spend considerable time on the ground wrapped in the arms of the defense. Charlie, you have done the school a misjustice, you are the source of the program, the game is played with heart and your players do not seem to even have a pulse.

 

[IrishGuard93]

Seriously. What an ass.

As to Latina and the o-line: it sucks, because I want to say that it's because this is a young group, they're going to take a while to gel, and yada yada yada, but that's a bunch of horseshit, because last year we had a veteran o-line with four seniors, two of whom are in the NFL (right?) and one more of whom will almost certainly be there next year, and we sucked then, too. I think Latina deserves every bit of the flack he's getting; anyone who wants to start up firelatina.com can count on having me as a blogger.

I highly doubt you've ever set foot on our campus let alone be an alumn. And I'm the ass huh.... wake up

 

[johnnd05]

They need to consider a different point of view, that of a winner, instead of a loser. The offensive line quit early in the game. If nothing else a Notre Dame team should fight until the last moment with every ounce of fight in them. " Carry me off wounded and to the point that I can not breath, but not until then." They were not prepared plysically or mentally. They looked like a high school team and a bad one at that. Great coachs can't make great players, however great players can make coachs look very good, it is too bad we do not seem to have either one. Who recruited this team, no speed in the back field, receivers that can not catch, and a quarterback who might be good if he did not have to spend most of his time scrambling for his life or spend considerable time on the ground wrapped in the arms of the defense. Charlie, you have done the school a misjustice, you are the source of the program, the game is played with heart and your players do not seem to even have a pulse.

This post starts of intelligently and then fades pretty fast. You say that "Great coachs can't make great players, however great players can make coachs look very good" and then ask a bit later "Who recruited this team". Well, the team was largely recruited (or not, as the case may be) by one Tyrone Willingham, which accounts for the lack of talent in the junior, senior, and fifth-year classes. This makes your claim that "we do not seem to have either one" (i.e., a great coach or great players) a bit hasty: if we DO have great players, most of them are probably young and will take some time to develop, and as you yourself said "great coaches CAN'T make great players", so it would seem that the verdict is out on the staff.

I agree with you that guys looked flat at times today (though less so than last week), but to say that Coach Weis has "done the school a misjustice" (I think you mean "injustice", btw) is just silly. (Especially since a far bigger problem than the lack of fight or preparedness was the stupid penalties, some of which could clearly be attributed to being OVERexcited.) We played a bunch of underclassmen and a QB starting his first ever game and got spanked on the road by a top-fifteen team. Calm down.

 

[johnnd05]

I highly doubt you've ever set foot on our campus let alone be an alumn. And I'm the ass huh.... wake up

Okay then. Doubt away.

 

[Ant4NDIrish]

Move Young to LT, Move Wegner to LG. Sully stays a Center. Put Carufel at RG and Put Romine to RT. And fire John Latina. Get some new O-Line Coach and a reciever coach as well.[/QUOte

What number was Latina wearing tonight? I don't remember him missing any blocks. Did coach Inaello miss any passes tonight? Come on wake up we are not that good on the line because of lack of experience. I can't wait in a year or 2 what you negative posters will be saying when we are very experienced and dominating college football. Do you think Carufel and Romine would be on the bench if they were better than the 2 starting? Armando Allen is already taking TT job. The players that give us the best chance to win will play. I am willing to watch us take our lumps this year for what is in store the next 4 years. Go IRISH!!!!!

 

[johnnd05]

What number was Latina wearing tonight? I don't remember him missing any blocks. Did coach Inaello miss any passes tonight? Come on wake up we are not that good on the line because of lack of experience. I can't wait in a year or 2 what you negative posters will be saying when we are very experienced and dominating college football. Do you think Carufel and Romine would be on the bench if they were better than the 2 starting? Armando Allen is already taking TT job. The players that give us the best chance to win will play. I am willing to watch us take our lumps this year for what is in store the next 4 years. Go IRISH!!!!!

I'd like to believe you, but last year we had PLENTY of experience and the o-line was still terrible. Maybe not quite as bad as this crew, but terrible nonetheless.

 

[Master Guns]

Hope the O-line does'nt let Jimmy get hurt

Hope the O-line does'nt let Jimmy get hurt

Alot of issues on the O-line, could be the players, the coaching or a combo of the two. I just hope they can get it togerther before the play of the O-line end's up getting jimmy hurt, ala Ron Powlus.

 

[bluelightning]

No one in their right mind could or would try to make an excuse for what we saw today. The fact is that Notre Dame has lost their first two games, they have not scored a touch down or even worse they do not have any positive yardage. I am an alum and a life long fan and I am embarassed to see a program fall to such a depth. If there is not a change on the field I am sure the school will make changes. It is easy to blame someone who has left the program, it is much harder to face the fact that a serious problem exist and that if there is not a change it will get worse.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

There are 3 guys who did not walk-on that are OLDER than a Sophomore on the OL. Sully, Turk, and Duncan. That's it. The cupboard is bare.

Basically, Weis needs some of the Sophs or Frosh to step up, but that's easier said than done.

If Duncan and Turk don't improve soon, they will get pulled for younger guys.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

No one in their right mind could or would try to make an excuse for what we saw today. The fact is that Notre Dame has lost their first two games, they have not scored a touch down or even worse they do not have any positive yardage. I am an alum and a life long fan and I am embarassed to see a program fall to such a depth. If there is not a change on the field I am sure the school will make changes. It is easy to blame someone who has left the program, it is much harder to face the fact that a serious problem exist and that if there is not a change it will get worse.

The problem is the lack of experienced guys. Ty left the cupboard bare and we are now paying the price. Everyone knew this year would suck. Anyone who did not realize it was not looking at the depth chart.

 

[Junkhead]

I'd yank Turkovich for Carufel or Olsen, and give Romine a serious look at RT. (after moving Young to LT.) In tonights game, Duncan and Young were beat outside non-stop. They were so worried about the inside blitz....etc. If last years team had a great line with the experience they had, I would chalk this early play to inexperience. As it is, I am losing any confidence in the OL coaching.

 

[Akron Irish]

Sam Young had a rough game also... he got burnt quite a bit

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I'd like to believe you, but last year we had PLENTY of experience and the o-line was still terrible. Maybe not quite as bad as this crew, but terrible nonetheless.

No back-ups though...there were 2 or 3 for the entire line right?