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I agree, good analysis... until he let emotions get the best of him and fired off some stupid shit about clausen and weis.
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I agree, good analysis... until he let emotions get the best of him and fired off some stupid shit about clausen and weis.
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1-5 instead of 0-6 i'm happier than a whore in a peter patch! Way to go Irish!!!
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This will allow ND to exhale, finally. Now we can concentrate on simply improving the fundamentals, rather than doing absolutely anything for a miraculous win.
Although at this point, BC might look like a tougher opponent than USC? Maybe not.
Although at this point, BC might look like a tougher opponent than USC? Maybe not.
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I stopped reading it after I saw the part about TT.
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Wham's posts can be interesting.
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A turning point for the program has been reached!!!
I kind of felt it coming briefly against MSU when the running game got going for a bit and the game seemed within reach at the half at 17-14....then there was that constant reminder of a team with too much youth and not enough leadership - the backslide. The second half against MSU was a disaster and the early progress and competitive score at half could not mask the fact that the team was still not getting the type of leadership it needed.
The team carried it over to the first half at PU....then it happened....the team FINALLY stopped wallowing in crap-tactular bouts of ineptitude long enough to put a passable offense on the field for the second half against the hill-jacks. The result was not enough to get a win, but it showed something lacking to that point in this season of our discontent - HEART, at long last, the Irish moved away from the chasm of the abyss and willed themselves into a competitive game, even though they ultimately fell short again.
Now the afterglow of a win - after so many weeks of frustration and even disbelief - cannot hide the fact that the road ahead remains trying for ND fans souls. But what we can say now is that the season has two distinct quarters at this point:
First Quarter - GT / PSU / scUM = horribly inept across the board with only a very rare flash of hope or competent play...
Second Quarter - MSU / PU / UCLA = clearly progress is being made, the hole is deep and the road back is fraught with backward steps, but the trend is clear...1 good first half vs. MSU, 1 food 2nd half @ PU, 2 great halves by ND's defense @ UCLA...
Its hard to look at the ND season at this point and not be disappointed. Not necessarily because of the record alone, but because the progress did not seem to be coming fast enough. The rumors began - "Weis can't develop talent....Latina MUST go....we NEED a special teams coach....ND was racist when they fired TY just look at the records....Weis can't win with 'his' guys". Week by week, the gleeful pilers on had their moments, had their fun at ND fans' expense.
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It was my position that one of the great factors in the ND 0-5 collapse was the lack of senior and 5th year leadership to get them through their youthful inconsistencies. FINALLY, against UCLA the upperclassmen stepped to the front. I was very critical of the 5th years specifically, prior to the UCLA game, because IMO they had almost all been miserable failures in leadership (except for Laws, who has been a beast from the opening series of the season on for ND this year). Those guys all showed up to play yesterday - Laws (who has been the constant), Sullivan, Zibikowski, Carlson, Price
There was Laws in his usual excellence for the D, but instead of being a one-man band, he was joined by Crum - who, although not a 5th year, he is still a senior and showed invaluable leadership, putting up a game for the ND history books (4 turnovers accounted for by himself!) and even Zibby and Bruton got in on the act and put up solid days. Wooden was actually less of a liability than usual as well.
On offense, Sullivan was the key on several successful QB sneaks - including the Clausen TD - and he anchored a O-Line performance that showed they CAN pass protect, even against a more vaunted UCLA front that the PU front they had stymied the week earlier. In fact the only successful pass rush can off the edge and at least one (if not more) of the sacks were due to Clausen's failure to unload the ball. The difference is HUGE between the GT game and UCLA....and finally, I think that Sullivan has started to lead the young line towards cohesion. Price had some fantastic punts to control field position and did not shank a single kick.
The young guns were out there too - especially encouraging to see the efforts of Neal and Smith (I get warm fuzzies now thinking of that pair as seniors with Flemming and NcDonald as guys who rotate in and keep everyone fresh - THAT will be a devestating pass rush that we have not seen at ND since....'88? '93? '73? '66?) Throw in Omar Hunter and Brandon Newman and Gary Gray and Filer and I think I may be one happy fan watching that defense...
Finally, and at long last, it was not the freshmen and sophomores who were the best ND players on the field offensively and defensively for once this season....and guess what? That's right - a WIN!!!! That's no coincidence in my eyes...
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Congrats to the team on a historically important win.
School record for consecutive losses - avoided.
Losing streak to start THIS season - snapped.
Clausen's perfect record as starting QB in the state of California - intact.
31-game record of head coach Weis versus coaches Willingham and Davie - better. (Ok, so its exactly 1 game better at this point 20-11 versus 19-12, but THAT was one 'fact' that had bugged me really bad as it seeped into the press last week...)
The 1925 Rose Bowl win was covered extensively this past week and its importance to the program was undeniable. Winning that game under Rockne launched the football program to national prominence. I can't help but wonder at this point if another victory in the Rose Bowl won't come to be seen as the win that signified the return to prominence of Notre Dame football after 2 decades spent largely in the woods....
It is just one win. A win that may be relatively meaningless if the team suffers another backslide blow-out loss against BC and USC or a set-back to suddenly dangerous Stanford or even Navy....but for now, ND remains perfect in the Rose Bowl - and given the history of that stadium and ND in the annals of college football - for at least one day again, all is right in the world of college football!
Next up - UBiCH....I swear to you, if I were to write a script for returning ND to national prominence in a big way (we all know this season is a loss, but we are talking about building momentum for the future now...2008, 2009 and beyond) then beating the classless Eagles and their insufferable fans and taking the heart out of that program (much the way the last second FG in 1993 seemed to kick ND into a 20 year malaise) would have to be a storybook way to go....I will be yelling myself horse at the screen next week, hoping I can add some collective will to the effort of the team to beat BC; and then I will be in attendance at the USC game (the first game I have been able to attend in person since the 1998 game against Purdue)...if September 2007 was the worst month in ND football history, why can't October 2007 be the month that it starts rolling in the right direction again?!?!? The journey of a thousand miles always will start with that proverbial first step....let's hope that the defensive effort against UCLA is ND's first step towards a return to the MNC....
Go Irish! Beat Fredo!
I kind of felt it coming briefly against MSU when the running game got going for a bit and the game seemed within reach at the half at 17-14....then there was that constant reminder of a team with too much youth and not enough leadership - the backslide. The second half against MSU was a disaster and the early progress and competitive score at half could not mask the fact that the team was still not getting the type of leadership it needed.
The team carried it over to the first half at PU....then it happened....the team FINALLY stopped wallowing in crap-tactular bouts of ineptitude long enough to put a passable offense on the field for the second half against the hill-jacks. The result was not enough to get a win, but it showed something lacking to that point in this season of our discontent - HEART, at long last, the Irish moved away from the chasm of the abyss and willed themselves into a competitive game, even though they ultimately fell short again.
Now the afterglow of a win - after so many weeks of frustration and even disbelief - cannot hide the fact that the road ahead remains trying for ND fans souls. But what we can say now is that the season has two distinct quarters at this point:
First Quarter - GT / PSU / scUM = horribly inept across the board with only a very rare flash of hope or competent play...
Second Quarter - MSU / PU / UCLA = clearly progress is being made, the hole is deep and the road back is fraught with backward steps, but the trend is clear...1 good first half vs. MSU, 1 food 2nd half @ PU, 2 great halves by ND's defense @ UCLA...
Its hard to look at the ND season at this point and not be disappointed. Not necessarily because of the record alone, but because the progress did not seem to be coming fast enough. The rumors began - "Weis can't develop talent....Latina MUST go....we NEED a special teams coach....ND was racist when they fired TY just look at the records....Weis can't win with 'his' guys". Week by week, the gleeful pilers on had their moments, had their fun at ND fans' expense.
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It was my position that one of the great factors in the ND 0-5 collapse was the lack of senior and 5th year leadership to get them through their youthful inconsistencies. FINALLY, against UCLA the upperclassmen stepped to the front. I was very critical of the 5th years specifically, prior to the UCLA game, because IMO they had almost all been miserable failures in leadership (except for Laws, who has been a beast from the opening series of the season on for ND this year). Those guys all showed up to play yesterday - Laws (who has been the constant), Sullivan, Zibikowski, Carlson, Price
There was Laws in his usual excellence for the D, but instead of being a one-man band, he was joined by Crum - who, although not a 5th year, he is still a senior and showed invaluable leadership, putting up a game for the ND history books (4 turnovers accounted for by himself!) and even Zibby and Bruton got in on the act and put up solid days. Wooden was actually less of a liability than usual as well.
On offense, Sullivan was the key on several successful QB sneaks - including the Clausen TD - and he anchored a O-Line performance that showed they CAN pass protect, even against a more vaunted UCLA front that the PU front they had stymied the week earlier. In fact the only successful pass rush can off the edge and at least one (if not more) of the sacks were due to Clausen's failure to unload the ball. The difference is HUGE between the GT game and UCLA....and finally, I think that Sullivan has started to lead the young line towards cohesion. Price had some fantastic punts to control field position and did not shank a single kick.
The young guns were out there too - especially encouraging to see the efforts of Neal and Smith (I get warm fuzzies now thinking of that pair as seniors with Flemming and NcDonald as guys who rotate in and keep everyone fresh - THAT will be a devestating pass rush that we have not seen at ND since....'88? '93? '73? '66?) Throw in Omar Hunter and Brandon Newman and Gary Gray and Filer and I think I may be one happy fan watching that defense...
Finally, and at long last, it was not the freshmen and sophomores who were the best ND players on the field offensively and defensively for once this season....and guess what? That's right - a WIN!!!! That's no coincidence in my eyes...
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Congrats to the team on a historically important win.
School record for consecutive losses - avoided.
Losing streak to start THIS season - snapped.
Clausen's perfect record as starting QB in the state of California - intact.
31-game record of head coach Weis versus coaches Willingham and Davie - better. (Ok, so its exactly 1 game better at this point 20-11 versus 19-12, but THAT was one 'fact' that had bugged me really bad as it seeped into the press last week...)
The 1925 Rose Bowl win was covered extensively this past week and its importance to the program was undeniable. Winning that game under Rockne launched the football program to national prominence. I can't help but wonder at this point if another victory in the Rose Bowl won't come to be seen as the win that signified the return to prominence of Notre Dame football after 2 decades spent largely in the woods....
It is just one win. A win that may be relatively meaningless if the team suffers another backslide blow-out loss against BC and USC or a set-back to suddenly dangerous Stanford or even Navy....but for now, ND remains perfect in the Rose Bowl - and given the history of that stadium and ND in the annals of college football - for at least one day again, all is right in the world of college football!
Next up - UBiCH....I swear to you, if I were to write a script for returning ND to national prominence in a big way (we all know this season is a loss, but we are talking about building momentum for the future now...2008, 2009 and beyond) then beating the classless Eagles and their insufferable fans and taking the heart out of that program (much the way the last second FG in 1993 seemed to kick ND into a 20 year malaise) would have to be a storybook way to go....I will be yelling myself horse at the screen next week, hoping I can add some collective will to the effort of the team to beat BC; and then I will be in attendance at the USC game (the first game I have been able to attend in person since the 1998 game against Purdue)...if September 2007 was the worst month in ND football history, why can't October 2007 be the month that it starts rolling in the right direction again?!?!? The journey of a thousand miles always will start with that proverbial first step....let's hope that the defensive effort against UCLA is ND's first step towards a return to the MNC....
Go Irish! Beat Fredo!
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"It is just one win. A win that may be relatively meaningless if the team suffers another backslide blow-out loss against BC and USC or a set-back to suddenly dangerous Stanford or even Navy....but for now, ND remains perfect in the Rose Bowl - and given the history of that stadium and ND in the annals of college football - for at least one day again, all is right in the world of college football!
Next up - UBiCH....I swear to you, if I were to write a script for returning ND to national prominence in a big way (we all know this season is a loss, but we are talking about building momentum for the future now...2008, 2009 and beyond) then beating the classless Eagles and their insufferable fans and taking the heart out of that program (much the way the last second FG in 1993 seemed to kick ND into a 20 year malaise) would have to be a storybook way to go....I will be yelling myself horse at the screen next week, hoping I can add some collective will to the effort of the team to beat BC; and then I will be in attendance at the USC game (the first game I have been able to attend in person since the 1998 game against Purdue)...if September 2007 was the worst month in ND football history, why can't October 2007 be the month that it starts rolling in the right direction again?!?!? The journey of a thousand miles always will start with that proverbial first step....let's hope that the defensive effort against UCLA is ND's first step towards a return to the MNC...."
wow. i love your last two paragraphs. I don't even pretend to know the technical aspects of football but I was a high school cheerleader back in the day and I still love to RAH RAH my teams
I have always been impressed with Notre Dame fans and the class and support shown even in the bad times. Down here in SEC land, the UGA bulldawg fans have lost their collective minds after yesterdays trainwreck and the venom on the newspaper blog is incredible.
Alabama WON and they are still ready to fire Saban and run the QB out of town. If Bama had the season ND has had, the entire state would have committed the southern version of hari-kari by now.
Next up - UBiCH....I swear to you, if I were to write a script for returning ND to national prominence in a big way (we all know this season is a loss, but we are talking about building momentum for the future now...2008, 2009 and beyond) then beating the classless Eagles and their insufferable fans and taking the heart out of that program (much the way the last second FG in 1993 seemed to kick ND into a 20 year malaise) would have to be a storybook way to go....I will be yelling myself horse at the screen next week, hoping I can add some collective will to the effort of the team to beat BC; and then I will be in attendance at the USC game (the first game I have been able to attend in person since the 1998 game against Purdue)...if September 2007 was the worst month in ND football history, why can't October 2007 be the month that it starts rolling in the right direction again?!?!? The journey of a thousand miles always will start with that proverbial first step....let's hope that the defensive effort against UCLA is ND's first step towards a return to the MNC...."
wow. i love your last two paragraphs. I don't even pretend to know the technical aspects of football but I was a high school cheerleader back in the day and I still love to RAH RAH my teams
I have always been impressed with Notre Dame fans and the class and support shown even in the bad times. Down here in SEC land, the UGA bulldawg fans have lost their collective minds after yesterdays trainwreck and the venom on the newspaper blog is incredible.
Alabama WON and they are still ready to fire Saban and run the QB out of town. If Bama had the season ND has had, the entire state would have committed the southern version of hari-kari by now.
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Bench JC for three years, that is hilarious. Aint going to happen nor should it, seems to me you are very much afraid of his ability, although he didn't have the big number stats most people want. A win is a win and will be the first of many for him in years to come. The kid is a freshman give him a break.
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Great insights all. Congrats to the Irish!!
Mad props to our much-maligned kicking game. Great work!
Aw, c'mon, you're not really listening to Corso are you? Sure, UCLA got thrashed by Utah, but they've been decent since. And with their starting QB out, their offense obviously crumbled. But they are not that bad a team overall.
Woo-hoo! Watching the game last night I heard all the Irish fans cheering. So glad you supported the team. Wish I could've been there.
Mad props to our much-maligned kicking game. Great work!
Aw, c'mon, you're not really listening to Corso are you? Sure, UCLA got thrashed by Utah, but they've been decent since. And with their starting QB out, their offense obviously crumbled. But they are not that bad a team overall.
Woo-hoo! Watching the game last night I heard all the Irish fans cheering. So glad you supported the team. Wish I could've been there.
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Moostache
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The tradition and history of ND football is always the first thing fans of the college football nouveau riche (I am thinking of Wisconsin, Florida, West Virginia or other schools from non-traditional football powers mainly who have tasted some recent success and equate that with a rightful place among college football's legendary programs) attack when they argue about whether or not Notre Dame is 'relevant' or whether or not ND will 'ever win big again'.
What those people always fail to realize is that it is exactly that unmatched history and tradition which makes Notre Dame special, and will always remain so. Players and coaches come and go. Tradition never graduates. THAT was the message Charlie Weis had for the team even before this season's struggles. At other schools and other programs, they mostly go into obscurity and are lost from memory forever. At ND, the players and students are truly family to each other, the alumni and sub-way alumni are forever passionate and the champions and stars become legendary.
Whenever I am asked, usually by a sneering idiot - (much like the guy who accosted me a week back, and then demanded to know why I could possibly believe ND was a better program than Wisconsin) - why I think ND is still 'relevant' to college football, I just smile and say "because you just asked me THAT question". Nothing pisses them off more than a self-assured ND fan who KNOWS, not thinks, that ND is relevant simply because people continue to talk about them. The fans are still there across the nation. The curiosity is there. The inane media attacks and shallow 'analyses' remain. The vindictive hatred of fans of lesser programs remains; burning just as intensely, and acridly consuming its adherents and practitioners of it, as it always has....If Notre Dame were truly irrelevant, then we would be like Army....never mentioned at all! Instead, this morning's Yahoo headline was not #1 LSU squeaks past Florida....it was "Notre Dame wins in Rose Bowl,. secures first win".
After the win in the Rose Bowl yesterday, and just knowing that 82 years earlier ND played a crucial game in the program and college football history, I appreciate the tradition all the more!
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yay im so excited, they needed this win. This is motivation for them.
I love it.
how well did they do?
I love it.
how well did they do?