ND vs Georgetown gameday thread

[NDOM]

Go Irish! Lets beat those Hoyas. Personally I dont think we can match up against these guys but ya never know. My prediction Georgetown 89 Notre Dame 72.

 

[SoCalDomer]

ND is getting lit up. and i don't mean drunk.

 

[NDOM]

WOW! Down 17 with 18 minutes left. What a joke. This team is not as good as everyone thought.

 

[Epitome]

your not kidding. they look bad

 

[NDOM]

Theyre not good, theyre not great, theyre not ok. Theyre MEDIOCRE to me at best. Good/Great teams make ND look just plain silly. Notre Dame is a NIT tourney team at best.

 

[Epitome]

I think they get in the dance, but your right they won't threaten a good team

 

[mbooch]

Amen. That pre-conference record is turning out to be a sham. I think its time to start asking whether Brey is Notre Dame's Willingham of basketball. This team hasn'y even looked competitiv in either game against ranked competition it has been in this year.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

It's one game. Hell, UC lost to St. Johns and Notre Dame, and has beaten everyone else. You never know.

 

[mbooch]

Stoney, the writing's on the wall. This team either drains everything they throw up from 3's ville, or they lose by two dozen. This is NOT a team going anywhere.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Ouch, we got spanked pretty bad. We need to go on a tear to get us back into the mix as far as the Dance is concerned. Go Irish!

 

[PADOMERNUT]

I dont know what everyone's problem is. I dont know if you all just dont watch that much basketball, or if you just have some misconceived notion of the state of Notre Dame basketball. First of all, Georgetown is ranked in the top 10 for a reason. They are flat out one of the best teams in the country, they are deep, they are athletic, they are fast. On our BEST day we still probably couldnt get to G'Town and win. Hell, not many teams could. ND will be just fine. The key to doing well in the big east and getting into the dance is winning your home games, (which we've done so far) and not losing road games to the rutgers, seton halls, and south floridas of the league. The loss at Marquette was bad, not that we should have won, but should have been more competitive. Part of that I think was a week layoff, part Marquette hitting everything. But going to Georgetown and losing 84-65 is not shameful and is not any indication of the state of the program. Criticizing Brey is just stupid. The guy wins 66% of his games and is more than likely, barring some losses to bad teams, going to take us to the tournament for the second year in a row. Seriously guys, that should be enough to keep us satisfied. We are not Kansas, UNC, Memphis, G'Town, Duke, so on and so forth. We should be happy with a 4th place finish or so in the big east and a 6 or 7 seed in the dance. Anything on top of that is just icing on the cake.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Another point, we should be able to win our home games and if we lose to louisville, villanova, and uconn on the road, that still puts us at 13-5 in the league, 23-7 overall. And our dance card will be punched.

 

[NDOM]

And lose in the first round to a team like winthrop last year. I dont even think we will finish 4th in the Big East. This is an average team. our next game is once AGAIN a week away and @#21 Villanova. I will break down the remaining schedual:

@#21 Villanova (another week between games) Loss
Providence (A very good 12-5 team, 4 of their losses are against ranked teams) Win (maybe)
Depaul (Depaul always seems to beat us at least once) I say win though.
@ Seton Hall (Same as Depaul, they seem to win at least once) Loss
#13 Marquette (Need I say more?) Loss. Cant win all of them at home.
@Uconn (This one is on the road and we all know how well we play on the road) Loss.
@Rutgers (Sad to say it but its on the road and I'm not so sure) Toss up. Win????
#16 Pittsburgh (At home but its Pittsburgh and theyre deep) Loss.
Syracuse (A young athletic team who is deep and getting better and better) Loss.
@Louisville (Same as Syracuse. young deep team that is getting very good AND on the road) Loss.
@Depaul (On the road and Depaul beats us every year at least once, but I say we pull the upset) Win.
St. Johns (This team is average but can pull some upsets here and there) Win maybe
South Florida (Last home game of the year) Win.

So with that said I say we finish overall 19-11 (9-9) That wont qualify for a Big Dance this year unless we pull a couple miracle upsets on the road. I say NIT! But I can live with that.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

NDOM, I respect your analysis and you make many good points. Here is my breakdown of the rest of the schedule.....

At Villanova..... I think we will put up a better effort but come up short. LOSS
Providence..... Up and coming team but we get them at home. WIN
Depaul...... They lost some guys from last year, it shouldnt be close at home. WIN
At Seton Hall...... On the road but they just arent very good. WIN
Marquette...... Depends on the health of Dominic James, toss up. LOSS
At Uconn....... Young team that will continue to improve. LOSS
At Rutgers....... Worst team in the league. WIN
Pittsburgh...... No Cook or Fields means they arent very deep, and they are a different team away from home, see losses at Dayton and Cincinnati. WIN
Syracuse...... Another team decimated by injuries, its going to be a long year for the Cuse. I see them struggling BIG TIME the rest of the year. WIN
At Louisville..... I think the second best team in the league behing G'Town. LOSS
At Depaul....... See previous game against them. WIN
St Johns....... Young team that wont be able to win at the JACC. WIN
South Florida...... Senior Day, Win for Rob Kurz........WIN


That puts us 12-6 in the big east, 22-8 overall, more than enough to get in, but if you still have doubts, 12-6 would probably put us around 5th or so in the league, so we would end up playing the 12th seed in round 1 of the BET, so we should get one more win to sure things up.

Please feel free to argue anything I have said.

 

[NDOM]

NDOM, I respect your analysis and you make many good points. Here is my breakdown of the rest of the schedule.....

At Villanova..... I think we will put up a better effort but come up short. LOSS
Providence..... Up and coming team but we get them at home. WIN
Depaul...... They lost some guys from last year, it shouldnt be close at home. WIN
At Seton Hall...... On the road but they just arent very good. WIN
Marquette...... Depends on the health of Dominic James, toss up. LOSS
At Uconn....... Young team that will continue to improve. LOSS
At Rutgers....... Worst team in the league. WIN
Pittsburgh...... No Cook or Fields means they arent very deep, and they are a different team away from home, see losses at Dayton and Cincinnati. WIN
Syracuse...... Another team decimated by injuries, its going to be a long year for the Cuse. I see them struggling BIG TIME the rest of the year. WIN
At Louisville..... I think the second best team in the league behing G'Town. LOSS
At Depaul....... See previous game against them. WIN
St Johns....... Young team that wont be able to win at the JACC. WIN
South Florida...... Senior Day, Win for Rob Kurz........WIN


That puts us 12-6 in the big east, 22-8 overall, more than enough to get in, but if you still have doubts, 12-6 would probably put us around 5th or so in the league, so we would end up playing the 12th seed in round 1 of the BET, so we should get one more win to sure things up.

Please feel free to argue anything I have said.

I can see your point of view totally. I guess I didnt know Syracuse had injury problems etc etc. I hope your point of view is more accurate than mine. I guess I cant really argue with what you say. This team seems just too up and down and ya never know what youre going to get with them. I do hope you're right though and I'm wrong.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

They can be very good at times (see victories over K State, who just beat #9 Texas A&M, Uconn, and WVU) Or they can be very bad (At Marquette and G'Town) Next week at Nova is a big game. Its not the end of the world if we lose, but man if we can win that would be so huge. This team has the talent to make a run past this first weekend of the big dance, but at the same time could they end up 19-9 and in the NIT, absolutely. It depends on how much they want it, b/c the talent is there.

 

[NDOM]

They can be very good at times (see victories over K State, who just beat #9 Texas A&M, Uconn, and WVU) Or they can be very bad (At Marquette and G'Town) Next week at Nova is a big game. Its not the end of the world if we lose, but man if we can win that would be so huge. This team has the talent to make a run past this first weekend of the big dance, but at the same time could they end up 19-9 and in the NIT, absolutely. It depends on how much they want it, b/c the talent is there.

I agree. We definately need to win on the road against Villanova. I think if we win that and then beat Providence and Depaul at home that should set us up good. HOPEFULLY. But we HAVE to win against Villanova for a quality win.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Also remember that last year we lost our first FIVE road games of the big east season. That included an 18 point loss to Georgetown where we only scored 48 points, a 15 point loss at villanova, and losses at st johns, depaul, and south florida. And we still finished
4th in the league and got a first round bye. So I for one am not worried.......Yet.

 

[mbooch]

The problem, and it is a bigger one than some of us think, is WHERE half these wins come from. Long Island U. Monmouth. EMU. COLGATE. NOBODIES. 41% of the wins ND has had under Brey come against THAT echelon of non-entities. Against traditionally capable programs, and the meat of the Big East, ND is 50-50. Against RANKED competition, they're something like 10-16. This is a mediocre program trading on name recognition once earned by the footballers to get frequently undeserved Big Dance invites. And, unless they play a more challenging pre-conference schedule, and step up the level of play, the speculation will continue to be whether ND gets to the first weekend of the Dance. It SHOULD be concentrating on getting to the THIRD weekend.

I suugest you go to the ND athletic program website and check it out. Most of the Brey resume has been against VERY undistinguished competition.

 

[NDOM]

The problem, and it is a bigger one than some of us think, is WHERE half these wins come from. Long Island U. Monmouth. EMU. COLGATE. NOBODIES. 41% of the wins ND has had under Brey come against THAT echelon of non-entities. Against traditionally capable programs, and the meat of the Big East, ND is 50-50. Against RANKED competition, they're something like 10-16. This is a mediocre program trading on name recognition once earned by the footballers to get frequently undeserved Big Dance invites. And, unless they play a more challenging pre-conference schedule, and step up the level of play, the speculation will continue to be whether ND gets to the first weekend of the Dance. It SHOULD be concentrating on getting to the THIRD weekend.

I suugest you go to the ND athletic program website and check it out. Most of the Brey resume has been against VERY undistinguished competition.

Couldnt have said it better myself. Reps my friend.

 

[mbooch]

Thanks NDOM. I just have trouble accepting the lowering of expectations, and becoming satisfied with things like doing well in the conference tourney. It seems this began with Davie when he was the FB coach, and has infected the basketball program, and, pretty obviously, the AD's office.

Just a minor shift of gears.... Don't you think that stacking the preconference schedule with WHODAT'S weakns ND's recruiting potential? Personally, if I was a hot shot high school player, it wouldn't exactly light my fuse to have the chance to play EMU (Eastern Mighigan, for you folks from other parts). The EMU's and Monmouths and Long Island U's are where typically undersized, but coachable high school players go because they can't get offered by a Big Ten, or Big East, or ACC school. This is NOT how you get ready to play in one of the top three conferences in the country, not to mention the Tournament.

 

[NDOM]

Thanks NDOM. I just have trouble accepting the lowering of expectations, and becoming satisfied with things like doing well in the conference tourney. It seems this began with Davie when he was the FB coach, and has infected the basketball program, and, pretty obviously, the AD's office.

Just a minor shift of gears.... Don't you think that stacking the preconference schedule with WHODAT'S weakns ND's recruiting potential? Personally, if I was a hot shot high school player, it wouldn't exactly light my fuse to have the chance to play EMU (Eastern Mighigan, for you folks from other parts). The EMU's and Monmouths and Long Island U's are where typically undersized, but coachable high school players go because they can't get offered by a Big Ten, or Big East, or ACC school. This is NOT how you get ready to play in one of the top three conferences in the country, not to mention the Tournament.

Dude I feel exactly the same as you do about our basketball team. I will always root for them no matter how bad they are but its just sad to see them play such a week early part of schedual before the big east. And I like Brey as a person and he is a descent coach, I just dont think he's gonna be the guy to take ND basketball to the top. I cant see Notre Dame finishing in the top 3 ever. Notre Dame will make the tournament here and there and make the NIT from time to time but they will never be a Kansas, North Carolina, or Duke on a regular basis. Now the football team on the other hand, Thats a squad that will out fear in their opponents here pretty soon. THATS where Notre Dame basketball should be as well.

 

[mbooch]

Dude I feel exactly the same as you do about our basketball team. I will always root for them no matter how bad they are but its just sad to see them play such a week early part of schedual before the big east. And I like Brey as a person and he is a descent coach, I just dont think he's gonna be the guy to take ND basketball to the top. I cant see Notre Dame finishing in the top 3 ever. Notre Dame will make the tournament here and there and make the NIT from time to time but they will never be a Kansas, North Carolina, or Duke on a regular basis. Now the football team on the other hand, Thats a squad that will out fear in their opponents here pretty soon. THATS where Notre Dame basketball should be as well.

AMen. Personally, I see NO reason to consider an NIT invite an accomplishment. Jeez, the TOP teams in THAT Tourney couldn't crack the top 65! I think ND Nation's MINIMUM expectation should be an NCAA bid every year, and getting to the second weekend MOST years. This may take a while, mostly because we've all been trained to assume it's impossible. But, like my old Marine buddies like to say, "The Impossible just takes a little longer".

 

[NDOM]

AMen. Personally, I see NO reason to consider an NIT invite an accomplishment. Jeez, the TOP teams in THAT Tourney couldn't crack the top 65! I think ND Nation's MINIMUM expectation should be an NCAA bid every year, and getting to the second weekend MOST years. This may take a while, mostly because we've all been trained to assume it's impossible. But, like my old Marine buddies like to say, "The Impossible just takes a little longer".

Thats a great quote.

 

[mbooch]

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Thats a great quote.

Thanks, pal. Here's one that might not sound so good, but it is important to face facts. I've got a lot of Domer pals who call Boston College Fredo, as in the Godfather, Fredo. Well WE'RE Fredo, now. BC has been to at least the last FOUR straght Tourneys. We haven't. On the gridiron, we haven't beaten them since 2000.

I'm not being negative, but we've got to face facts. under Wadsworth and White, ND athletics have slipped BADLY. The situation is certainly redeemable. Hell, Fredo's been to the last four NCAA Big Dances. WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? But we won't right the ship if we keep talking about things are not so bad now. We're Fredo. THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

 

[NDOM]

Thanks, pal. Here's one that might not sound so good, but it is important to face facts. I've got a lot of Domer pals who call Boston College Fredo, as in the Godfather, Fredo. Well WE'RE Fredo, now. BC has been to at least the last FOUR straght Tourneys. We haven't. On the gridiron, we haven't beaten them since 2000.

I'm not being negative, but we've got to face facts. under Wadsworth and White, ND athletics have slipped BADLY. The situation is certainly redeemable. Hell, Fredo's been to the last four NCAA Big Dances. WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? But we won't right the ship if we keep talking about things are not so bad now. We're Fredo. THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

No! I dont want to be "Fredo" anymore.

 

[mbooch]

True that. Take care. Bed's calling.