Kyle McCarthy and Kellen Moriarty

[Rip Rap]

From: http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/338644.html

I assume that when he says he will find out about an offer on Thursday, he is referring to the 13th. The article was released on the 6th.

FROM THE ARTICLE:

Many people have said all along that McCarthy, with a 3.75 GPA and a 25 on his ACT, would go to Notre Dame in a minute if they were to make him an offer. But they haven’t made him an offer yet and he said he wouldn’t necessarily jump at one even it came now.

“I definitely grew up a Notre Dame fan, but right now Ohio State offered and Notre Dame hasn’t and Ohio State is number one,” he said. “Even if Notre Dame offers Ohio State is number one. Notre Dame has been in for a home visit, they’ve called me a couple of times but they haven’t offered. Ohio State has. Ohio State wanted me first so I’m just going to take my visit to Ohio State.

“If Notre Dame offers then maybe I’ll take a visit there, I probably will, so I can see where I fit in best and that’s where I’m going to commit. But in no way is me growing up a Notre Dame fan going to effect my decision. But I’m not going to visit there unless they offer and I’m not going to wait for them whatsoever.”

Actually McCarthy is expecting a phone call on Thursday from the Notre Dame brass to see if they will indeed extend an offer.

“Coach Polian said that he’s extremely excited about my film, however they haven’t got together as a staff yet,” McCarthy said. “He said that they’re going to do that Thursday and I should expect a phone call Thursday from Coach Weis. So I’ll know a lot more then, especially with it being before the weekend so that will help out. But actually I’m not going to really (worry) about it whether they tell me yes or no. I’m just going to focus on Ohio State this week and enjoy the weekend and learn as much as I can about the program.”

 

[irishgo8]

OH NO i think Ty really screwed us up on this one

 

[Guest]

I really hope they offer this kid. He's higher ranked then Herring. I'd like to get both.

Good speed, real athletic.

If Weis offers he should come, this kid loves ND from what I've heard. His brother attends ND as well.

Not to many DB's on our board and Ohio state, Arizona, and Fredo have offered him, thats good enough for me, offer this kid!

 

[Guest]

Also Kellen Moriarty 6'0 195 lbs 4.4 40. Is waiting on an Irish offer. This kid has blazing speed, I see no harm in offering him. Another 3 star player who grew up a big time ND fan. His dad played in the NFL for 7 years.

We need to offer Moriarty, and McCarthy, good Irish Catholic boys who can play.


Kellen's stock has been rising big time lately, Colorado, Nebraska, and washington have come into the picture.

Says he's waiting on that ND offer.

 

[seIRISH]

I really hope they offer this kid. He's higher ranked then Herring. I'd like to get both.

Good speed, real athletic.

If Weis offers he should come, this kid loves ND from what I've heard. His brother attends ND as well.

Not to many DB's on our board and Ohio state, Arizona, and Fredo have offered him, thats good enough for me, offer this kid!

I think they are holding out for better prospects.I think if they dont get what they want this weekend they will offer shortly after that.Start at the top and work your way down.

 

[Guest]

Really isn't anyone better on their board. Reggie Smith only one with interest, but doesn't look like he's coming.

 

[Rip Rap]

I think they are holding out for better prospects.I think if they dont get what they want this weekend they will offer shortly after that.Start at the top and work your way down.

Can't imagine who they think they'll be getting. Even if everybody that seems remotely feasible signs up, we're looking at about 15 kids.

 

[seIRISH]

Can't imagine who they think they'll be getting. Even if everybody that seems remotely feasible signs up, we're looking at about 15 kids.

Everyday they keep bringing up new names I Haven't ever heard of.The have to have a better plan then fifteen guys.As their first targets turn them down you will start to hear a new crop of names.I mean you know this guy wants to go here and I am sure weis knows that ,If they were not looking for someone else don't you think he would have an offer already?

 

[Rip Rap]

Everyday they keep bringing up new names I Haven't ever heard of.The have to have a better plan then fifteen guys.As their first targets turn them down you will start to hear a new crop of names.I mean you know this guy wants to go hear and I am sure weis knows that ,If they were not looking for someone else don't you think he would have an offer already?

That's my point. I can't imagine who they're waiting on. The first tier, or lack thereof, is pretty well defined around 15 guys, at best. And we have over twenty available scholarships.

 

[seIRISH]

That's my point. I can't imagine who they're waiting on. The first tier, or lack thereof, is pretty well defined around 15 guys, at best. And we have over twenty available scholarships.

From what I have heard around other boards is they will only give out 17-18 and hold over till next year,when the have a good amount of time to recruit.Given weis has come off pretty smart up till this point and has some top quality recruiters.I would asume they have to have somebody else or they don't want to scare off a potential recruit.

 

[Guest]

I've been wanting Weis to hold over some scholarships till next year.

Next year we could bring in a large class (something thats rare at ND).

Top 5 class next year for sure.

 

[Guest]

Any news if we offered McCarthy today.

 

[irishgo8]

No not yet let me call up my friend in South Bend and see if he can tell Malloy to offer

 

[Rip Rap]

I've been wanting Weis to hold over some scholarships till next year.

Next year we could bring in a large class (something thats rare at ND).

Top 5 class next year for sure.

NCAA rules allow only 25 scholarships be given in a single year. They will do what they can to fill up this class, making sure there will be 25 to offer next year. But some guys we've never heard of will be attending ND next year on football scholarships because of this.

The other factor in all of this: Transfer students. Some kids from elsewhere may have expressed interest behind the scenes.

 

[Guest]

NCAA rules allow only 25 scholarships be given in a single year. They will do what they can to fill up this class, making sure there will be 25 to offer next year. But some guys we've never heard of will be attending ND next year on football scholarships because of this.

The other factor in all of this: Transfer students. Some kids from elsewhere may have expressed interest behind the scenes.

Are you sure about that. I often see schools give out more then 25 scholarships.
Auburn had like 30 commits last year.

Here's last years team recruiting lists on Rivals. I see alot of schools with 25 or more commits http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?Year=2004

Your only allowed 85 scholarships on a team so if you have 30 available spots one year you can bring in 30 commits.

 

[irishtexan]

yeah thats how it is, you can give out as many as long as you arent over 85

 

[Rip Rap]

yeah thats how it is, you can give out as many as long as you arent over 85

No, you can only give out 25 scholarships in a single year, unless you are on probation, in which case you are allowed even fewer. These scholarships are defined by the NCAA as 'initial scholarships,' and are the base point from which most NCAA sanctions begin.

 

[Guest]

Maybe your right I dunno, but then how come all these schools are bringing in like 30 commits.

Did you look at last years commitment lists on Rivals, Maybe you can shed some light on why many schools had more then 25 commits.

 

[Rip Rap]

Maybe your right I dunno, but then how come all these schools are bringing in like 30 commits.

Did you look at last years commitment lists on Rivals, Maybe you can shed some light on why many schools had more then 25 commits.

We don't offer grey-shirts because we're not a football factory, and I'm not really sure how they work. This is my best guess, since it will never happen at ND: Grey-shirts agree to join a team on the premise that a scholarship will become available, knowing half the kids at Big State U won't be around for more than three years. If you're already on the team when you get your scholarship, it is not considered an 'initial scholarship' but a 'walk-on scholarship,' allowing the coaches to give out 30 a year. If they graduated their players, they wouldn't be allowed to do this. But that's just my guess. I've never actually been told how a grey-shirt works.

 

[Guest]

Interesting....Thats a big disadvantage for ND.

Alot of big time football programs like LSU, Michigan, Miami, etc regularly bring in more then 25 commits.

NCAA should crack down on that. Thanks for the info.....

 

[Guest]

Looking at Auburn the last 3 years they had

33 commits in 2002
27 commits in 2003
26 commits in 2004

Auburn is just an example.... Most schools are bringinging in alot more then 25 schollies. Schools like Mississipi St, Arkansas, who certainly aren't football factories.

Notre Dame turns out more NFL players then Auburn.

I like to find out whats going on here, if their is a 25 scholarship rule.

 

[Rip Rap]

I like to find out whats going on here, if their is a 25 scholarship rule.

I did a quick search and found this explanation. You will often see players at state schools referred to as 'grey shirt freshmen.'

http://sanjosestate.scout.com/2/61993.html

Also, here is a list of LSU 'commits,' accounting for grey shirts:

http://www.dandydon.com/commitments2005.html

DEFINITION: A Grey Shirt player is a player who committed to a school in the last recruiting class but does not sign because of scholarship shortage.

Rules only apply to the schools that follow them, which is why NCAA sanctions don't really affect big state universities.

 

[Guest]

Man, I'm an ND fan, but this really screws them don't you think? I mean every year ND brings in like 17 to 20 guys on average, while every other school brings in like 27, or 30 guys.

 

[Guest]

We still turn out around the most NFL guys though. 6th in the country the last 4 years, not so bad, considering how espn says we don't turn out talent anymore,

 

[Rip Rap]

We still turn out around the most NFL guys though. 6th in the country the last 4 years, not so bad, considering how espn says we don't turn out talent anymore,

The only kids interested in the schools that do this are the ones that have no intention of ever graduating to begin with. I don't know how fans of schools like Auburn sleep at night, knowing they treat their athletes like plantation workers. Buts its their problem, not ours. I contend we can beat them anyway.

There are signs that the NCAA is finally taking on these schools. They are revamping the scholarship policy so that it correlates with graduation rates; The schools with the highest graduation rates will thereafter have the most scholarships. I suspect this loophole will also be addressed in time.

 

[Irish Envy]

As Rip mentioned, this is exactly the kind of thing the NCAA is taking on in the Academic Policy Reform. Not only will they lose these grey shirts, they will be penalized real scholarships.

Check out the Academic Policy Reform thread we have going: http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1455

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the info rip.....

 

[Rip Rap]

Now, the question remains:

Have McCarthy or Moriarty been offered? Any other relative unknowns?

EDIT: I had no idea Kellen Moriarty was the son of Larry Moriarty. Giving Duerson's kid a scholarship and passing up on Moriarty will further complicate certain perceptions...

 

[Irish Envy]

Now, the question remains:

Have McCarthy or Moriarty been offered? Any other relative unknowns?

EDIT: I had no idea Kellen Moriarty was the son of Larry Moriarty. Giving Duerson's kid a scholarship and passing up on Moriarty will further complicate certain perceptions...

Yes, I'd like to know this as well.

 

[the_voidoid]

Now, the question remains:

Have McCarthy or Moriarty been offered? Any other relative unknowns?

EDIT: I had no idea Kellen Moriarty was the son of Larry Moriarty. Giving Duerson's kid a scholarship and passing up on Moriarty will further complicate certain perceptions...

i don't think either have been offered at this point.