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Email from Dan Gorski's father floating around the net. It's an excellent read.


This past weekend Pat and I traveled to Notre Dame to participate in Junior Parents Weekend with our daughter, Margaret. Dan went with us in order to meet Charlie Weis and David Cutcliffe (a**'t. head coach and QB coach) to determine how interested ND was in him as a prospective player. The visit went very well. Dan heard what he was hoping to from both Weis and Cutcliffe and he committed to ND as a preferred walk-on, the same offer that Nebraska made to him. He thinks he can play at the D1 level and wasn't interested in any lower level program (other than Princeton). He chose ND for several reasons: as you know, he's always been a Notre Dame fan; the longtime family ties to ND; lots of relatives in South Bend; ND has a better academic reputation and network, nationally; ND has 4 scholarship QBs to Nebraska's 8 (BIG factor); and, Weis told him that he's got 4 scholarships in his pocket that he can hand out to walk-ons this season and that he's going to use them if a kid shows him that he deserves one.

It made an immediate impression on Dan when Weis told him that he had postponed a Friday evening flight to Boston where he was going to sped time with his wife and children (they're only able to see each other every other weekend until June, when the family moves to ND), so that he could meet with Dan on Saturday morning. Weis is a real character: some might say he's VERY cocky; others might say he's just a real confident guy from Jersey. As soon as we sat down in his office, he licked his ring finger and twisted off his Super Bowl ring and tossed it to Dan. He said "that's a $21,000 ring. The league allots $5,000 per ring, but we had an owner who wanted to wear a really nice ring, so he popped for the extra dough." The ring was enormous and would easily fit over the fist of a young baby.

The following are some of the things he told Dan (I'm paraphrasing):

"There isn't a better place for a young QB to come to play football. Where are you going to find a coaching combination like we have here? Where are you going to get 2 coaches like Coach Cutcliffe and me? I've coached in the NFL for fifteen years and I've been the winning offensive coordinator of 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls. I brought Coach Cutcliffe in as a**'t. head coach and QB coach, and all he's done is coach Peyton and Eli Manning and Tee Martin. Where else are you going to find that combination of coaching? Nowhere in college and maybe not even the pros."

"There couldn't be a better time to come to Notre Dame to play QB: one, it's ND; two, I've already told you about the coaching; and, three, I've got 1 QB on the roster, Brady Quinn. There are 2 sophomores, one of whom is on my crap list, and I don't even know whether the other one can throw a football, and there's an incoming freshman who I didn't recruit and who's getting scoped next week."

"We're going to score a lot of points. I can tell you now that there are some defenses we're going to play against and it's going to be a mercy killing. There are only a couple of teams that will give us trouble with their defensive schemes." For you NU fans, this is reminiscent of Callahan's comment that: "We don't take what the defense gives us, we take what we want."

"I know that Callahan had you in for an official visit, and I know that you can go to Princeton. But after we're done here you're going to spend time with Coach Cutcliffe and if you don't know where you want to go within 30 minutes of leaving his office, then you're brain dead."

Dan started to explain to him that he thought he'd have had interest from more D1 schools but for the very base offense he ran at Prep. Weis cut him off quickly: "What are you talking about? So you ran a simple offense and handed off a lot, big deal. How can you complain? All you did was win all those games and ended up state champs. Besides, you're sitting here at Notre Dame and I'm telling you why you should come here. What more do you want?"

At one point Weis was talking to Pat and me about his decision to come to ND: "After my junior year I earned early admission to Princeton. They weren't recruiting me to play football, but I could have walked on. But I decided that Notre Dame had a lot more to offer on a national basis." He then turned to Dan, pointed his finger at him and said: "Pittsburg, September 3rd." He returned to talking to Pat and me about ND: "I earned a 3.2 gpa my first semester and thought I did pretty well. But when I got home my parents let me know that I didn't do as well as I should have and they grounded me for the entire Christmas break. They let me go out New Year's eve, but that was it. I learned my lesson and got straight A's the rest of the way."

"Every Monday at 6 a.m. (some student mgr. whose name I don't recall) comes into my office and we go over the class attendance for every football player. My players better not miss a class unless they're sick, or the professor gives them a couple of cuts during the semester. Any player who cuts classes will answer to me and they won't like what I have to say. Doing 'ok' isn't good enough; you've got to do as well as you can. Dan, you better get a high gpa."

"I watched your highlight DVD with Coach Cutcliffe. You did some good things: You looked ok, but you've got a lot to learn."

I told him that I had a couple of things I wanted to talk about. I told him: "I love ND and I want Dan to come here. He loves Notre Dame; in fact, we've got a picture of him as an 11-year old in a Marc Edwards replica jersey, standing in front of Ron Powlus' locker [he interjected - "I had Edwards at New England and he's a real dirtball" (I think he meant that affectionately)], but I know that Dan loves football and wants to go somewhere where he has a real shot to play. Listening to you, I think you'll give him an honest shot at getting on the field. What if he looks really good in fall camp, can he earn a scholarship?" Weis said: "Look, I already told you, I treat scholarship players and walk-ons exactly the same, so he's going to get his shot and if he performs like a scholarship player, he'll get a scholarship."

He said he can't wait to get his shot at some guys in the media. He said he learned a bunch when he coached for Parcells and that he taught him a lot about handling the media. "I hated watching the Insight.com Bowl and listening to Gottfried and Franklin. I swear to God, the first time Gottfried talks to me and starts being critical of Notre Dame, I'm going to say to him: 'What the hell do you know? You've had three college jobs and got fired every time." He continued: "I can't wait to talk to Trev Alberts, too. I swear to God, if he starts getting on Notre Dame I'm going to ask him: 'What did you ever do? You were a 1st round draft pick and I was sorry to see you quit the league. We loved playing against the Colts when you were out there - you were easy pickings."

We spent a little over an hour with him and he had lots more to say. He was refreshingly blunt, very confident, very dedicated and very happy to be back at ND. He told us all about his future plans regarding how long he'll be at ND (12 years), where he's going to retire (6 months at Myrtle Beach, 6 months in Key West), the half-way house that he and his wife are going to build and run for mentally/emotionally challenged young adults, and how they're raising the money starting now, and lots more about his family (which he places first in his life), football, education and other topics. The guy is a character and is terrifically charming in a very base way. ND fans are going to love him..........though he has to win.

Cutcliffe is like your wife's favorite uncle. He's just a sweetheart. A very unassuming Southern gentleman. Contrary to Weis' comments, Cutcliffe told Dan that he watched his DVD with Coach Weis and that Weis was really excited about what he saw. He talked to us about his impression of Notre Dame, and asked whether we thought he captured what makes it so special. He told Dan that he had a really great opportunity at ND, and that it was a perfect time to come in as a freshman QB. He said: "The way I look at it, you ought to consider a best-case, worst-case scenario. At worst, if things don't work out and all you do is play scout team QB and dress for home games, you're still going to leave here with a Notre Dame degree. Now how's that? If that's the worst that can happen to you, that's pretty good. But I don't think you'll have a worst-case experience. You could come here and show Coach Weis how good you are and become Brady Quinn's back-up for 2 years, and then become the starter. Now that would be pretty good, wouldn't it?" He then talked about where he saw Dan fitting in among the returning QBs, and said pretty much the same things that Weis had said about the returning QBs. About Sharpley (incoming frosh scholarship QB): "We didn't recruit Evan, the prior staff did, but Coach Weis honored his commitment. I've met Evan and he's a nice kid, but he's getting his knee scoped this week and you're a lot bigger than he is." Later in the conversation Cutcliffe started to say something like "I don't know when you're going to choose.... " and Dan interrupted him and said: "I'm ready to choose right now. I'm going to come to Notre Dame." That provoked the neatest moment of the weekend: Cutcliffe jumped up out of his seat with a real big smile on his face and reached across the table to shake Dan's hand. He told him how glad he was to hear that, that Coach Weis would be too, and he congratulated him on the decision. We talked some more and then viewed about 25-30 Patriot offensive plays, going over coverages, pass routes and QB decisions. We spent about an hour and a half with Cutcliffe, and it was time well spent.

For you Nebraska fans: Shortly after committing to ND, Dan called Coach Callahan to let him know of his decision. He wasn't available, but called back about 2 hours later. Callahan could not have been more gracious to Dan. He congratulated him, wished him well, said that he wasn't surprised by his decision, though he had hoped that he would have chosen Nebraska, and told him that if it doesn't work out for him at ND, to give him a call. It didn't surprise me that Callahan said those things to Dan. I've had several long conversations with him about Dan, football, family, education and other topics, and he's always been very gracious and charming. He, and the entire NU staff (particularly, Downing, Norvell and Cassidy), actually had Dan strongly considering (and me accepting) attending NU. If Weis hadn't convinced Dan that he wanted him, Dan would have insisted on being a 'Husker. Considering that, until he met those coaches last spring, he hated Nebraska, that's an amazing change of opinion and attitude.

Thanks to all of you for the interest you've shown in Dan and his career over the years. I hope to have college updates to send you some day.

Best regards,

Gregory M. Gorski
 

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great post queens. that was great and lifting to read. coach weis took the words right out of my mouth about trev alberts and that other whackjob. i didnt know our quarterback situation was how it is now. gorski has a real shot of becoming the starter after quinn.
 
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Is there any reason to think this email is authentic? I appreciate the sentiment, and am happy with everything in it, but I could have just as easily written it myself.
 
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Rip Rap said:
Is there any reason to think this email is authentic? I appreciate the sentiment, and am happy with everything in it, but I could have just as easily written it myself.

I have no idea if it's authentic. I read it on some other ND sites, but who knows it may be bogus.
 

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Great read

just wondering how good is Gorski really? does he have any kind of star ranking?
 

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great post queens. The more I hear Weis, the more i love him. I can't wait to be watching a game on ABC, or ESPN and hear Weis tell a reporter, "What the hell do you know" on camera, that would be epic
 
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nayers said:
great post queens. The more I hear Weis, the more i love him. I can't wait to be watching a game on ABC, or ESPN and hear Weis tell a reporter, "What the hell do you know" on camera, that would be epic


Haha, that would be great! I wouldn't be suprised much though.
 
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He said he can't wait to get his shot at some guys in the media. He said he learned a bunch when he coached for Parcells and that he taught him a lot about handling the media. "I hated watching the Insight.com Bowl and listening to Gottfried and Franklin. I swear to God, the first time Gottfried talks to me and starts being critical of Notre Dame, I'm going to say to him: 'What the hell do you know? You've had three college jobs and got fired every time." He continued: "I can't wait to talk to Trev Alberts, too. I swear to God, if he starts getting on Notre Dame I'm going to ask him: 'What did you ever do? You were a 1st round draft pick and I was sorry to see you quit the league. We loved playing against the Colts when you were out there - you were easy pickings."

I would find this freaking hilarious especially in the Trev Alberts instance...

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I have no idea if it's authentic. I read it on some other ND sites, but who knows it may be bogus.
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's real or not...but the real question is how good is Gorski?

On Rivals, they have him rated as a 2-Star/5.1 rated player.

They define a 5.1-5.7 rated player as: A Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player.

This leads me to believe that the letter is fabricated to kind of energize the Irish Nation. Because I don't think C-Dub would go through all that trouble for a role player.
 

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that may be true lyght, but maybe weis saw something in gorski's video he really liked. is there any video of this kid?
 

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NDLyght37 said:
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's real or not...but the real question is how good is Gorski?

On Rivals, they have him rated as a 2-Star/5.1 rated player.

They define a 5.1-5.7 rated player as: A Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player.

This leads me to believe that the letter is fabricated to kind of energize the Irish Nation. Because I don't think C-Dub would go through all that trouble for a role player.


Fair enough, but how many great players have there been that were no names coming out of High school? Many I'm sure. Plus, Weis does not strike me as the kind of recruiter who gets overly concerned w/ star rating, he seems to me to be the kind of guy who cares a lot more about what he sees on film and what his scouts tell him about the kid, and if he likes the kid he'll go after him and to hell w/ the star rating. The only reason he didn't offer the kid a scholarship right away was probly b/c he knew he didn't have to to convince him to come to Notre Dame.
 

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NDLyght37 said:
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's real or not...but the real question is how good is Gorski?

On Rivals, they have him rated as a 2-Star/5.1 rated player.

They define a 5.1-5.7 rated player as: A Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player.

This leads me to believe that the letter is fabricated to kind of energize the Irish Nation. Because I don't think C-Dub would go through all that trouble for a role player.

hmm....well, you may very well be right - it may be a fabrication designed to get the Irish base fired up - but i don't think it's unrealistic based on the attention weis gave him. he only spent an hour or so with the kid, and who knows if that was the only reason that he delayed his trip home.

weis has a proven ability to identify potential in people that others fail to see, and if he can get a kid to come to ND without a scholarship in hand (regardless of his "pro" potential), i think it's reasonable for him to give the kind of attention reported in the letter.
 
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I think C-Dub might be looking for another Brady (Tom not Quinn).

This kid is built similarly to Brady, and he appears to be a winner & a game manager as opposed to a physical phenom.

Hopefully Weis sees something in this guy that is not measured by raw numbers, and he'll have a few years to grow into the system.

As for the letter, while I love what Weis & Cutcliffe are doing...it just seems to "telephonish" to me (you know the game we used to play as kids). The letter may in fact have been real, but after so many hundreds of forwards to all of us fans, is it still representative of the original letter? Also, I don't think C-Dub would rag on the kids even if he doesn't like them.
 

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true enough. he does admit to paraphrasing what C-Dub said, and in doing so, he may have stripped some diplomacy from his comments and added a little fire to make it a little more...colorful, to say the least.
 

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For me, it doesn't pass the "smell test". I can't put my finger on it or provide any evidence that it's a fake; it just doesn't seem real. I can't see Weis speaking poorly of a player that's on the team. The player may be on the shit list but is Weis going to let another player know that? And in this instance his parent too. I doubt he would have said that. That sort of thing doesn't promote a good locker room environment. Remember where he came from - Did you ever anything like this out New England?

Second thing: "We're going to score a lot of points." I may be the most optimistic guy on planet when it comes to ND's chances next season, but come on let's be real. Had the sentence been - "We're going to score a lot points when we play Navy" - I might believe it.

My guess is either 1. a complete fake or 2. a father's fictionalized account of an actual meeting.

It is an interesting distraction. But we need to remember that he's a walk on freshman QB that may get a scholarship. Hopefully he'll become relevant in a couple years, but for now his impact will go largely unnoticed.
 

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Guff brings up some good points here. For Weis to make promises like scoring a lot of points just doesn't seem like something he would do. Granted, he's a salesman at heart, but I also think he is realistic in terms of the X and O part of football. The offense has 10 starters back, plus Darius Walker, but I'm not sure that makes them Boise State.

For Charlie Weis to say something about a current player, I don't buy it. I think he would be brutally honest with a player to his face behind closed doors, but would never publically berate anyone.

Third, I wish this post were about Demetrius Jones and not some 2-star kid I've never heard of. The fact of the matter is that Notre Dame has been missing out on the top recruits for years. It is time for them to start getting the big names once again. I believe this will happen, Esp. in the Chicago area.
 
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We needed Gorksi, there is no depth at QB. Wolke will be the only other QB with any experience, and that was only a couple of snaps, Bragg will probably pick up another position, and Sharpley will only be a freshmen.

Not much depth there. Look at Nebraska, they have 8 QB's on the roster. So I don't have a problem with Weis letting Gorski walk on . If he's any good he'll get a scholarship. Alex Smith was only a 2 star QB as well.

I'm very confident we will land a top notch QB this year. How could any QB pass up the opportunity to play for Weis and Cutliffe....
 

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I'm very confident we will land a top notch QB this year. How could any QB pass up the opportunity to play for Weis and Cutliffe....

Demetrius Jones with Weis and Cutcliffe would be unreal. He'd develop into a star.
 

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QueensNY said:
Email from Dan Gorski's father floating around the net. It's an excellent read.
Well, I haven't seen it anywhere else but here and NotreDameFans.com and where I originally posted it on March 17th....one day before it showed up here...[thanks for credit...]

I can assure you of its authenticity...there was other info in the email, specifically the signature tag that I deleted to keep some of Greg Gorski's personal info private (it was from a company email address that included name, company, position, address, work phone, & cell phone). It would take an awful lot of work to make all that up, but I still did a websearch to verify whether the address listed actually belonged to the business listed (it does) and the area codes for the phone numbers are legit (they are).

Regarding some of the other comments....one of the first sentences states, "and I'm paraphrasing" so yes, this is just one persons interpretation, not a spot-on dictation of what was said, so take it all in context. And remember that Weis was trying to convince Gorski to come here, so some salesmanship was apparent - don't take every statement as stone-cold facts.

To me it's consistent with everything else we've heard from CW - supremely confident, inspiring, and brash. I don't doubt it's validity for a second (it was 3rd-hand information / forward of a forward of a forward, PERIOD).

Basically I'm just trying to say, yes - this is legit and that gets me excited for the future of ND football because if CW & Staff are this aggressive in every aspect of running this program the future is indeed bright!
 
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Well, I haven't seen it anywhere else but here and NotreDameFans.com and where I originally posted it on March 17th....one day before it showed up here...[thanks for credit...]

Yep I saw it on Notre Dame fans, UHND, and, Irish Central. If your the one who started it, then much props to you my friend......
 

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I am slightly confused. Is this e mail from DAN Gorski's father, the walk on that will be at ND in the fall, or is this about a junior QB GREG Gorski? Which guy are we talking about?

Weis and co. are not pulling any punches. They are not going to sugarcoat anything with these kids and are brutally honest. That is what makes a salesman. "Here is who we are, here is what we do, here is what we can do for you." Simple as that. No promises, no BS.

The recruiting class in a year will surely be top ten, if not top five, in the nation.
 

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I am slightly confused. Is this e mail from DAN Gorski's father, the walk on that will be at ND in the fall, or is this about a junior QB GREG Gorski? Which guy are we talking about?
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The email is from Greg Gorski, who is Dan Gorski's father. Dan will be attending ND in the fall as a walk-on QB. If there happends to be a Jr QB named Greg Gorski that is pure coincidence...
 

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I'd bet tickets to the Rose Bowl this guy won't take a single snap at QB for Notre Dame.
 
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He might be Weis' version of "Rudy".

The kid that the entire team rallys around...but his talent level pales in comparison to the size of his heart.
 

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He might be Weis' version of "Rudy".

The kid that the entire team rallys around...but his talent level pales in comparrison to the size of his heart.

Hopefully he can develop into someone that contribute.
 
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Hopefully he can develop into someone that contribute.
True, but at least we have BQ for 2 more seasons (barring injury).

That's a nice luxury for us to have since the backups, including Groski don't thrill me.
 
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