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Tom Lemming Can Jump Off A Cliff 12/06/2004
We write this in advance of Greg Paulus' press conference, with the full expectation that he has used it to announce his commitment to Duke. We're thrilled that this is over, but we'd like to take a minute to discuss an unsavory aspect of the recruitment of Paulus.

We're not referring to anything Greg or his family or Duke did, but rather to the various comments of ESPN recruiting writer Tom Lemming.

Lemming has consistently pushed for Paulus to play football rather than (or at least in addition to) basketball, which is one thing, but as far as we have seen, he has really only pushed for him to play football at one school: Notre Dame. In fact, we can't remember him ever even mentioning another school where Paulus might play football.

The Chronicle, in an article which should have been read more widely, quoted Florida State running back Lorenzo Booker, who said Lemming had dumped on the Seminoles and urged him to attend Notre Dame.

“He was constantly saying negative things about Florida State, Washington and USC, saying, ‘They lied to their players, that Notre Dame can offer you so much more. "We knew about the academic side of it, and we knew Coach [Tyrone] Willingham was a standup guy, but he just said that, ‘All the other coaches, especially Florida State coaches, lie to the players all the time, they are never truthful and they are going to move Lorenzo to wide receiver.’”

Is this part of a pattern? It appears it may be. Let's look at the articles in which Lemming discusses Greg Paulus the football player:

Chicago Sun-Times: "'[Notre Dame doesn't] have any difference-makers. They lack speed and skilled players. They don't intimidate opponents as they once did. They aren't feared anymore.'

"Lemming predicts Notre Dame can return to glory if:

"Quarterback Greg Paulus of Syracuse, N.Y., the nation's No. 2 prospect, plays Notre Dame football rather than Duke basketball....Paulus will conduct a news conference next week in which he will reveal he still is leaning to Duke but is very intrigued by the turn of events at Notre Dame.



Sun-Times:"There are indications that this [coaching change after Tyrone Willingham was fired] will give Notre Dame a shot at one of the nation's best quarterbacks, the kind of player they desperately need,'' ESPN.com recruiting analyst Tom Lemming said. "Depending on who they bring in, Notre Dame's recruiting won't skip a beat. In fact, it probably will pick up...'It is all about perception. Notre Dame will be on the way back and attract more good prospects.''



Rochester Democrat & Chronicle: "He'd probably have a tough time making an NBA roster, but he has the potential to become an outstanding quarterback in the NFL. I think it would be wise for him and his family to re-examine a decision as important as this one."



ESPN: "'Tis the season for recruiting rumors to really start flying. Couple that with the recent firing of so many college coaches and the number of rumors only muliplies. Here's the latest information on eight top prospects:

"Look for QB Greg Paulus, the nation's No. 2-ranked prospect, to hold a press conference next week to announce that he is still strongly leaning towards signing a basketball scholarship with Duke. However, the coaching change at Notre Dame has impacted the decision making process of the Syracuse (Christian Brothers), N.Y., standout. Paulus will take a wait-and-see attitude before dropping football completely.

"A recent conversation I had with Paulus' father, Dave, gave me the impression that the signal caller would like to talk to the new Notre Dame coach about playing both football and basketball in South Bend. The Paulus' are Notre Dame fans and were initially interested in the Irish. But when the father and son visited with coach Willingham and his staff over a year ago, they did not get the impression the Irish were too enthralled with his ability and would not commit to giving Greg a fair shot at the starting quarterback position.

Rochester Democrat & Chronicle: "Teenagers have been known to change their minds and, for his sake, I hope he does because he is a rare football talent...The sky's the limit for this kid as far as football is concerned...It would be a terrible waste of talent if he didn't at least give it a shot at the next level. It would be a sin."

We've also linked to various other stories where Lemming makes his pitch for Paulus to play for Notre Dame.

One has to wonder what ESPN thinks about this: is their primary football recruiting analyst in fact attempting to steer players to a particular school?

Pretty clearly, Paulus has a gift for both games, and it involves the same basic things: leadership and an understanding of how events will unfold a step or two ahead of everyone else. Having it in both sports is remarkable.

The appearance is that Lemming has openly advocated for a particular sport - and far worse, argued for a particular school - is something which should give ESPN serious cause for concern. With an anti-trust investigation going on, and an appearance that an ESPN employee is manipulating recruiting - that can't possibly be a good thing.

We hope the network will take a good, careful look at what Lemming has done in the recruitment of Paulus and decide if his efforts reflect well on his employers. One would expect that their clients, i.e., NCAA schools, will not be pleased to find an ESPN representative appearing to manipulate recruiting to a particular school's advantage


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QueensNY said:
Duke fans are pissed....

Yup. Lemming pisses off most people at some point.

QueensNY said:
Tom Lemming Can Jump Off A Cliff 12/06/2004
We write this in advance of Greg Paulus' press conference, with the full expectation that he has used it to announce his commitment to Duke. We're thrilled that this is over, but we'd like to take a minute to discuss an unsavory aspect of the recruitment of Paulus.

We're not referring to anything Greg or his family or Duke did, but rather to the various comments of ESPN recruiting writer Tom Lemming.

Lemming has consistently pushed for Paulus to play football rather than (or at least in addition to) basketball, which is one thing, but as far as we have seen, he has really only pushed for him to play football at one school: Notre Dame. In fact, we can't remember him ever even mentioning another school where Paulus might play football.

Good Lord! A football recruiting analyst is telling kids to play football rather than basketball? The horror. (And I suppose it was nice to know somebody was recruiting for ND during the Willingham years.)

QueensNY said:
The Chronicle, in an article which should have been read more widely, quoted Florida State running back Lorenzo Booker, who said Lemming had dumped on the Seminoles and urged him to attend Notre Dame.

“He was constantly saying negative things about Florida State, Washington and USC, saying, ‘They lied to their players, that Notre Dame can offer you so much more. "We knew about the academic side of it, and we knew Coach [Tyrone] Willingham was a standup guy, but he just said that, ‘All the other coaches, especially Florida State coaches, lie to the players all the time, they are never truthful and they are going to move Lorenzo to wide receiver.’”

Maybe that is just good advice. Booker certainly hasn't been the precursor to Reggie Bush at FSU, and squeaky-clean Willingham, saint and martyr, may have been telling the truth (whereas Bobby Bowden, et. al. could just be a bunch of used car salesmen). In the end, Booker went to a college that offers academic credit for participation in a campus circus. That alone is worthy of contemplation from ND fans.

QueensNY said:
Is this part of a pattern? It appears it may be. Let's look at the articles in which Lemming discusses Greg Paulus the football player:

Chicago Sun-Times: "'[Notre Dame doesn't] have any difference-makers. They lack speed and skilled players. They don't intimidate opponents as they once did. They aren't feared anymore.'

About 90% true.

QueensNY said:
"Lemming predicts Notre Dame can return to glory if:

"Quarterback Greg Paulus of Syracuse, N.Y., the nation's No. 2 prospect, plays Notre Dame football rather than Duke basketball....Paulus will conduct a news conference next week in which he will reveal he still is leaning to Duke but is very intrigued by the turn of events at Notre Dame.

Sun-Times:"There are indications that this [coaching change after Tyrone Willingham was fired] will give Notre Dame a shot at one of the nation's best quarterbacks, the kind of player they desperately need,'' ESPN.com recruiting analyst Tom Lemming said. "Depending on who they bring in, Notre Dame's recruiting won't skip a beat. In fact, it probably will pick up...'It is all about perception. Notre Dame will be on the way back and attract more good prospects.''

Rochester Democrat & Chronicle: "He'd probably have a tough time making an NBA roster, but he has the potential to become an outstanding quarterback in the NFL. I think it would be wise for him and his family to re-examine a decision as important as this one."

ESPN: "'Tis the season for recruiting rumors to really start flying. Couple that with the recent firing of so many college coaches and the number of rumors only muliplies. Here's the latest information on eight top prospects:

"Look for QB Greg Paulus, the nation's No. 2-ranked prospect, to hold a press conference next week to announce that he is still strongly leaning towards signing a basketball scholarship with Duke. However, the coaching change at Notre Dame has impacted the decision making process of the Syracuse (Christian Brothers), N.Y., standout. Paulus will take a wait-and-see attitude before dropping football completely.

Lemming sells from sensationalized hype. That's why people dial 1-900 numbers and order his magazine (it is also why people subscribe to BGI or IrishEyes, though it does seem less obnoxious from those sources).

QueensNY said:
"A recent conversation I had with Paulus' father, Dave, gave me the impression that the signal caller would like to talk to the new Notre Dame coach about playing both football and basketball in South Bend. The Paulus' are Notre Dame fans and were initially interested in the Irish. But when the father and son visited with coach Willingham and his staff over a year ago, they did not get the impression the Irish were too enthralled with his ability and would not commit to giving Greg a fair shot at the starting quarterback position.

Remember the Olsen twins? Remember guys like Turkovich and Kuntz not even receiving offers? There is something profound buried in that statement.

QueensNY said:
Rochester Democrat & Chronicle: "Teenagers have been known to change their minds and, for his sake, I hope he does because he is a rare football talent...The sky's the limit for this kid as far as football is concerned...It would be a terrible waste of talent if he didn't at least give it a shot at the next level. It would be a sin."

We've also linked to various other stories where Lemming makes his pitch for Paulus to play for Notre Dame.

One has to wonder what ESPN thinks about this: is their primary football recruiting analyst in fact attempting to steer players to a particular school?

All of this seems like reasonable advice to me.

QueensNY said:
Pretty clearly, Paulus has a gift for both games, and it involves the same basic things: leadership and an understanding of how events will unfold a step or two ahead of everyone else. Having it in both sports is remarkable.

I too think he should have played for Oklahoma. What the hell are they getting at??? These guys are REACTIONARY!!!

QueensNY said:
The appearance is that Lemming has openly advocated for a particular sport - and far worse, argued for a particular school - is something which should give ESPN serious cause for concern. With an anti-trust investigation going on, and an appearance that an ESPN employee is manipulating recruiting - that can't possibly be a good thing.

We hope the network will take a good, careful look at what Lemming has done in the recruitment of Paulus and decide if his efforts reflect well on his employers. One would expect that their clients, i.e., NCAA schools, will not be pleased to find an ESPN representative appearing to manipulate recruiting to a particular school's advantage.

Yawn. All of those recruiting 'gurus' are in pain-in-the-ass for almost everybody, and I bet all but a handful of coaches would like to see the bunch of 'em censored. We all have problems with the way recruiting turns good highschool kids into ego-inflated punks; however, the fact of the matter is:

If a top quarterback recruit goes to play for Duke, it will probably ruin any chance he ever might have ever thought might have ever existed of ever being in the NFL. Ever. Meanwhile, Paulus-or any other bluechip-probably could have started at ND; whereas, there remains serious competition at USC, FSU, etc.

I think Lemming is a pudwacker too, but this is just nonsense.
 

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Take it for what it's worth, but in the world of high school football Tom Lemming is the big game in town. However, when it comes to the Florida States and USCs of the world, he's dead on. There is no way that Carroll and those guys aren't feeding these kids a bunch of bull. With all the depth they have, why would so many kids go there and have to wait to play for 2 years because they're behind 2 or 3 guys on the depth chart? Same with FSU. They do what they do and say what they say to get the players signed and on campus. I can't agree with Lemming blowing the whistle on this, but he isn't making it up.
 

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I really fail to see the problem here. Lemming is a football recruiting guru. That's football, not basketball, so of course he's gonna want any top recruit in both sports to choose to play football, or at least both. I'm sure when Drew Henson left Michigan to sign w/ the Yankees he was probly telling him to stay in Michigan too. And as far as Notre Dame goes, has it occured to these jokers that maybe the reason he was trying to steer Paulus to South Bend was b/c Notre Dame was the only school besides Duke he was even looking at? Why try to steer him to some other plays that can compete in both sports, like Oklahoma or Oklahoma State, if he's not looking at either of those schools? Lemming probly figured the only way to get this kid to play football, the sport he covers, was to try to sell him on Notre Dame. If Paulus had grown up a Syracuse fan, I'm sure Lemming would have tried to push him toward the Orangemen to play football there.
 
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