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Willingham's failure doesn't make Weis betterby Jason Whitlock
Jason Whitlock brings his edgy and thought-provoking style to FOXSports.com. Columnist for the Kansas City Star, he has won the National Journalism Award for Commentary for "his ability to seamlessly integrate sports and social commentary and to challenge widely held assumptions along the racial divide."



Updated: October 29, 2008, 12:43 PM EST 257 comments add this RSS blog email Print Here's what Notre Dame football fans don't seem to comprehend:

1. I've never stated that Tyrone Willingham was a great (or even good) coach; 2. I never blasted Notre Dame for firing Tyrone Willingham; 3. My problem with Charlie Weis and Notre Dame is the premature, undeserved lifetime contract he received after proving nothing and the reach-around Notre Dame and Weis received from most of the media during his first season.

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I've written two columns spelling out my position on the Great Weis Hope. Here and here.

Notre Dame fans are having trouble grasping either column. They somehow think that Willingham's failure at Washington justifies giving Weis a record contract at Notre Dame. And they also believe that Willingham's demise nullifies the truths expressed in my previous columns about the Great Weis Hope.

Sorry, Charlie.

Even with the Irish sitting at 5-2, every word in those columns still rings true. Notre Dame and a hefty percentage of the sports media overreacted to Weis' hot start, and Weis' complexion played a role in the overreaction.


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Top stories | Rumors | Video | Photos As of today, we have little evidence that Weis is a better college football coach than Willingham.

Notre Dame fans are repeating the same mistake they made in 2005 when the school overpaid for Weis. They're turning conceited based on a glossy record compiled against weak competition.

San Diego State, Michigan, Purdue, Stanford and Washington — ND's victims — have a combined record of 9-32. Only Stanford, 4-4, has more than two victories.

I'm not saying that the Irish haven't made progress. Hell, a year ago the Great Weis Hope finished 3-9 and lost back-to-back games to Navy and Air Force. Although, if you listen to Notre Dame fans, those losses, like all ND losses under Weis, were a byproduct of Weis having to play with Willingham's pathetic recruits. You know, Navy and Air Force routinely pluck four- and five-star recruits from across the country. A great coaching mind like Weis' couldn't be expected to overcome ND's obvious talent deficiency against the service academies.

I'm losing focus.

Has The Great Weis Hope so lowered expectations at Notre Dame that a 5-2 team incapable of cracking the top 25 is worthy of celebration and I-told-you-so e-mails?



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Man, I thought Weis was supposed to be the equal of Bob Stoops and Pete Carroll. Charlie claimed he'd never get outcoached, he'd never lose to Michigan State again and that after his first 5-2 start every team in the NFL was ready to fire its coach and land the offensive coordinator who carried Bill Belichick and Tom Brady to the Super Bowl.

What happened to that Charlie?

Stoops won a national championship in his second season at Oklahoma. Carroll won titles in his third and fourth seasons.

Notre Dame fans need to get over their fixation on Tyrone Willingham. He's not their problem anymore. His inadequacies don't strengthen Weis' resume. Willingham's resignation at Washington isn't going to make Notre Dame a national-title contender or justify Weis' bloated salary.

Charlie will have to do that himself.

He can begin to do that over the last month of the season. Notre Dame's last five opponents — Pittsburgh, Boston College, Navy, Syracuse and USC — own a combined record of 22-14. OK, so it's not quite as difficult as the obstacle course Mack Brown and the Texas Longhorns have been navigating (Oklahoma, Missouri, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech), and it's not the equivalent of playing in the SEC. But it's a good little test for Charlie Weis in his fourth season. He's had a long exhibition season to build confidence and prepare his troops.

If he goes 3-2, I'll consider it a passing grade and abstain from taking another potshot at him until next season. If he goes 4-1, I'll call it progress and agree that he's the coaching equivalent of Frank Solich. If the Irish overcome Weis' shortcomings and run the table, I'll strongly consider writing an apology column.

If they fall on their face and lose three or more games, I'd speculate that most Irish fans would prefer Willingham be named Notre Dame athletic director than read my follow-up column.

You can e-mail Jason Whitlock at Ballstate68@aol.com.


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If this is not about race, then why the hard on (and several articles) about a firing that occurred years ago?
It is about race (in the eyes of certain people), and they fail to understand the underlying issues surrounding the firing. The UW fans, however, do get it.........finally.
 
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If this is not about race, then why the hard on (and several articles) about a firing that occurred years ago?
It is about race (in the eyes of certain people), and they fail to understand the underlying issues surrounding the firing. The UW fans, however, do get it.........finally.

First of all to NewYawker, good article. Thanks much for posting. I think it's fair and tracks a lot of what has been said here.

To Stoney: I didn't read Whitlock's earlier columns that he referenced because they're not relevant to ND now. Yeah, he's got a certain axe to grind, but he disengages from that in the last third of the story to tell it pretty much like it is.

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none of whitlocks bs matters, we as fans just need to forget about the whole willingham issue and realize that 2007 is not even visible in the rear view mirror anymore.

you can bet your ass charlie doesn't give two SH$%S about what this guy has to say because not only is it not important, not only do people like whitlock get paid to stir SH$%, it will all stop with victories, W's on the board turn all of this bs into praise.

Mark my words, by the end of the season people won't be comparing Weis to willingham anymore. they will go back to brown nosing charlie like they did in 05' and 06', which when i think about it; almost repulses me more.
 

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my problem with the article is that he mixes two completely separate arguments: 1) ty's firing and 2) weis' extension. i dont feel as though people use ty to make weis more legit. he uses misguided logic to make nd fans sound stupid. there's no bridge between those two things. the extension was rather hasty, i admit, but it has nothing to do with ty or race. period.

he fails to apologize to ND for calling them out on race over the years. that's the apology i want, not one saying weis is a good coach. the quality of work is the determining factor in all of this. he should acknowledge that instead of weaseling out of the original argument by raising a new one that has no answer due to the fact that the major points have no correlation.

i must admit that the last part of judging weis in the next 5 games was fair. i actually agree in full. and no, i will not read the article should a 2-3 or worse finish occur. thanks for the warning.
 
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1. I don't think ND fans think Willingham failing makes Weis better.

2. Why the constant reference to the Great Weis Hope?

3. ND fans should stop obsessing over Willingham and ND, but so should the media.

I'm so sick of this. I hope in about a week, I never hear about it again.
 

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whitlock is a piece of sh!t. he cried race card three years ago but now only brings up that weis is being overpaid. f#ck him.
 

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1. I don't think ND fans think Willingham failing makes Weis better.

2. Why the constant reference to the Great Weis Hope?

3. ND fans should stop obsessing over Willingham and ND, but so should the media.

I'm so sick of this. I hope in about a week, I never hear about it again.

Whitlock and all the other haters of color cut off their nose to spite their face every time they mention ND...

yeah we get it, you're big black and mean... and have a job the affords you the ability to take as many cheap shots as you wish ("If he goes 4-1, I'll call it progress and agree that he's the coaching equivalent of Frank Solich"... great journalistic integrity there.) but the fact still remains every single time an article about racism hits the front page or a computer screen ANYWHERE they only make it that much harder on black coaches...

I'll be VERY frank... If I were an AD I would think twice about hiring ANY black head coach at this point... nothing special from the press for your school or your coach when he is hired, and then if the day comes you have to cut him lose you and your school is racist... why deal with that crap???

Thanks Mr. Whitlock for making it that much harder on EVERYONE involved, keep complaining about minority hirings


btw, no one ever mentions the fact that his articles time and time again clear imply he dislikes CW because he is white, and got paid.......
 
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The only thing that is going to shut up anyone about the Ty thing or the Great Weis Hope thing or the Notre Dame thing is wins. I agree that our competition has not been the greatest this year but, it's not the fault of the schedule that Michigan sucks this year, or Stanford is the best team we have beaten so far this year. What matters is the upcoming game against Pittsburgh, the team is getting better as a unit by the game. None of us can control the outcome of any game or the output of any garbage a columnist writes. I hear so many people say the Irish fans are the whiniest fans in college football and I'm starting to believe them because so many take to heart what sports writers, if you can call some of them that, write or say. F 'em all and support our team.

sorry for the rant I'll get off now :soapbox:

p.s. Go Irish, good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.

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i cant stand whitlock, he is a peice of sh*t so i wont even read anything he writes. mainly b/c i could care less about his opinion. he is dead to me
 
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i cant stand whitlock, he is a peice of sh*t so i wont even read anything he writes. mainly b/c i could care less about his opinion. he is dead to me

Now THAT is a great opening sentence to a dense melodrama suffused with torment, anguish and a hint of unrequited lust.

I wonder if there's a buck to be made in fleshing it out into a treatment?

SteveM

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Now THAT is a great opening sentence to a dense melodrama suffused with torment, anguish and a hint of unrequited lust.

I wonder if there's a buck to be made in fleshing it out into a treatment?

SteveM

P.S. PA-Nut, you got an agent?

Absolutely too damn funny. I pissed on myself.

(Not because of the funnicity of the post - I just got bored and decided to piss on myself. I do that kind of stuff sometimes...)
 

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Who cares man? I'm just worried about ND beating Pitt this week. This will only get worse once ND starts beating good teams again. There are a lot of ND fans that need a hobby. This article is "in-con-se-quen-tial". There will come a day when the college football world will pay for their insolence. muwahahahaha!!!!
 

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1. I don't think ND fans think Willingham failing makes Weis better.

2. Why the constant reference to the Great Weis Hope?

3. ND fans should stop obsessing over Willingham and ND, but so should the media.

I'm so sick of this. I hope in about a week, I never hear about it again.

^^ That's his sly little race baiting tactic, a classic racial code word, in reference to Jack Johnson, and/or the movie about him.

It's just a wiki link, but it's accurate none the less.
The Great White Hope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Whitlock is race baiting, but he is also looking for a way out and tries to appear as an "impartial reporter." Don't forget John Saunders and his interview with TW.

My question to both reporters, "If ND is racist, why did they hire the first black head coach at a major university in the first place?" I am certain they weren't looking forward to firing TW. I am also certain they were hoping he would be a great success, because ND is not in the business of losing football games. They want to win for tradition and for the revenue it generates.

ND could have kept searching for a white, black, or Hispanic coach. ND should never had rushed their decision making process and hired TW, or any coach that wasn't qualified for the pressures of the ND job. Hopefully, ND, in its next search won't make that mistake again.

I still haven't seen any retractions from either reporter. These men just allow the race baiting to fester, and that is a shame. If you are wrong, admit it. No one is infallible (except the Pope).


Sorry fellas, I know you have had enough already, but I just had to get my 2 cents in!
 

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Whitlock is race baiting, but he is also looking for a way out and tries to appear as an "impartial reporter." Don't forget John Saunders and his interview with TW.

My question to both reporters, "If ND is racist, why did they hire the first black head coach at a major university in the first place?" I am certain they weren't looking forward to firing TW. I am also certain they were hoping he would be a great success, because ND is not in the business of losing football games. They want to win for tradition and for the revenue it generates.

ND could have kept searching for a white, black, or Hispanic coach. ND should never had rushed their decision making process and hired TW, or any coach that wasn't qualified for the pressures of the ND job. Hopefully, ND, in its next search won't make that mistake again.

I still haven't seen any retractions from either reporter. These men just allow the race baiting to fester, and that is a shame. If you are wrong, admit it. No one is infallible (except the Pope).


Sorry fellas, I know you have had enough already, but I just had to get my 2 cents in!

Well donated. (Not like that other guy who would only give .02 cents...) I will take it to the bank. Thanks.

You nailed my exact thought on the matter.
 
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yeah I think most of us got it... obviously a shot all ND fans 'wanting a white coach'... yet he calls us racists????

Lots of ND fans are racists. Plenty are not. However, there is usually smoke where there is fire. The controversy around the Ty firing will not go away because there was a racial component to it. Did I think Ty was doing a good job? No. Do I think he should have been fired after 3 years? No. I definitely would have given him a 4th year.

When the outgoing President of the Notre Dame states in public that the firing troubled him seriously and his personal assistant shaves her head in protest - I'd say that is a pretty fair indicator that those very close to the program thought race was involved.

Now, with that said, it is over and done and we as ND fans must move on. However, we take heat for it in the press, because quite frankly we deserve it. Signing Weis to the extension like we did was frankly idiotic. In the last 2 years we haven't beaten a top 40 program and we lose to vastly inferior teams in terms of talent.

I'm sorry, but 7-5 or 8-4 with this schedule is not acceptable in YEAR 4. If we aren't BCS bound in Year 5, we should cut our losses.

Feel free to add as many red dots as you wish - I know the truth hurts. And to quote Jack, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
 
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Ahhh, if only you could speak the truth.

Saying Ty deserved a 4th year tells me you didn't know why we fired him when we did, nor how poorly the guy was really doing. It's been discussed to death, so in short: bad coach, horrible recruiter, Urban Meyer.

Just because someone claims race is involved doesn't mean it is true 'midwest guy'. Anything controversal involving Blacks and Jesse Jackson and co. are all up in arms, screaming the race card. Sometimes, even many times, it is, but not always. And not in Ty's case.

Moving on...
 
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