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Yeah, I mentioned this when you listed Gardiner earlier in the RBs thread. What I don't get is why he transfered and they didn't make a mention of it in the normal media, so I think there had to be something behind it.
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Yeah I remember that, but didn't know what you were referring to. He says he left ND because it was too conservative, which tells me Ty really sold these kids on him rather than the school. How anybody doesn't like being at ND is beyond me.
 
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Yeah I remember that, but didn't know what you were referring to. He says he left ND because it was too conservative, which tells me Ty really sold these kids on him rather than the school. How anybody doesn't like being at ND is beyond me.
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as a bleeding-heart liberal and social progressive, trust me when i say that notre dame is too conservative.

he left in mid-september from what i remember. as far as it not getting any press, remember that ND has always had a way of not attracting attention on this sort of matter.
 
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We have 6 current scholarship corners (as I understand it): Richardson, Ndukwe, Hedgemon, Duerson, Lambert, and Ferrine. Lambert and Ndukwe were top recruits out of highschool, and Ferrine and Hedgemon have serious potential. Duerson and Richardson are questionable, at best.
 
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as a bleeding-heart liberal and social progressive, trust me when i say that notre dame is too conservative.
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What you call 'progress' I call 'regress.' I'm not going to let you claim that title. Further, I contend there is no serious intellectual movement to conservatism at ND outside of a handful of philosophy and law professors. Social service initatives are limited to lame dorm fund-raisers, and the university demonstrates only a nominal interest in the preservation of a Catholic identity. Trust me, Notre Dame is not that conservative. My public highschool in Texas was more conservative.

EDIT: We're going to finish this at the Water Cooler, Varsity Club style.
 
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We have 6 current scholarship corners (as I understand it): Richardson, Ndukwe, Hedgemon, Duerson, Lambert, and Ferrine. Lambert and Ndukwe were top recruits out of highschool, and Ferrine and Hedgemon have serious potential. Duerson and Richardson are questionable, at best.
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since we've obviously put proper coaching in place in the secondary, our only major drawback is that we'll be playing guys who haven't had a lot of game experience. (this is assuming richardson does not start). i think lewis is going to correct a lot of the mistakes that have been made over the past few seasons.
 
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since we've obviously put proper coaching in place in the secondary, our only major drawback is that we'll be playing guys who haven't had a lot of game experience. (this is assuming richardson does not start). i think lewis is going to correct a lot of the mistakes that have been made over the past few seasons.
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But he likes the Nickle Package, and we only have 6 corners...
 
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But he likes the Nickle Package, and we only have 6 corners...
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well, as with any coaching change i can imagine there may be some position swapping to plug some gaps. with sharpley coming in i can see darrin bragg possibly moving to backup corner, or wooden maybe. i think we're forgetting jabbie as another CB.
 
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well, as with any coaching change i can imagine there may be some position swapping to plug some gaps. with sharpley coming in i can see darrin bragg possibly moving to backup corner, or wooden maybe. i think we're forgetting jabbie as another CB.
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Maybe, but Wooden already failed as a corner, and Bragg may move, but likely to receiver. That's what his brother was at UCLA.
 
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Maybe, but Wooden already failed as a corner, and Bragg may move, but likely to receiver. That's what his brother was at UCLA.
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i think there's too much depth at WR for bragg to make the jump. also, don't count out wooden just yet. he has explosive speed, and i can only assume the new staff is going to be correcting a lot of mechanical problems that we've seen in the secondary.
 
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What about Grimes at corner? he's 5'9 160lbs. I think thats just to small to play wideout. He has good speed.

Rivals and scout have him listed as the 60th best wideout in the country, considering his size I'm amazed he's rated that high. He must be an outstanding athlete to be getting that kind of attention at his position with his size.
 
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What about Grimes at corner? he's 5'9 160lbs. I think thats just to small to play wideout. He has good speed.

Rivals and scout have him listed as the 60th best wideout in the country, considering his size I'm amazed he's rated that high. He must be an outstanding athlete to be getting that kind of attention at his position with his size.
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I actually like taller corners and shorter robust receivers. Grimes' build works well on a possession receiver of the true Split End mode (David Givens is only 6'). Grimes will put on at least twenty pounds over his freshman year and-if he can take the hits-may be the kind of receiver you can send on high percentage slant routes into the linebackers late in the game. If we don't get Nelson, I could also see Bragg becoming a receiver. I doubt they will make either of them corners though. Bear in mind that both Ndukwe and Richardson are former receivers too.
 
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I like taller corners myself, thats been a growing trend in college football, but your starting to see smaller corners again in college football.

What do you think about Grimes being a return man on special teams? Rossum is 5'9 as well I believe.

Ndukwe looks like a stud, I think he's better then Parrish. I hear talk of Ndukwe switching from safety to linebacker. He'd need to gain like another 15 to 20 lbs. But from his reports out of practice, he's an outstanding hitter.

What do you think about Vernaglia, he may get a shot at linebacker. But he looks like a free safety at this point. This kid is a great athlete I hope they find the right position for him.
 
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I know nothing of Grimes other than his physical stats.

I also know nothing of the defense we will be running. I do know that the nickel package is not only a common tool of Lewis' (this was all he coached at Miami), but also a seemingly more common formation in college. Minter said his base is a 4-man front, but the good AFC defenses all seem to be running a 3-man front, no? (I hardly ever watch the NFL.) I just expect some players to be shifted around on defense because I expect a more innovative defensive scheme. They'll know where they want people.
 
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I like taller corners myself, thats been a growing trend in college football, but your starting to see smaller corners again in college football.

What do you think about Grimes being a return man on special teams? Rossum is 5'9 as well I believe.
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it remains to be seen with grimes how explosive he is. great kick returners have that "afterburner" speed, and grimes 4.5 might not be up to snuff. i think hoskins should keep returning kicks, and i'd like to see wooden back as well. personally, i like running backs returning kicks because they typically have the vision to find and exploit seams in the coverage...

as far as height of corners goes, we can't be too picky at this point. the staff needs to figure out who has the necessary skills and athleticism to cover receivers, whether they're 5'-9" or 6'-2", and get them on the field. but, given the choice, i agree with you that taller is better, especially now with the abundance of 6'-4" and taller receivers.
 
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