Fire Weis (Merged - Stop Creating New Threads)

[IHateMarkMay]

So your blaming the players for being undisciplined? Doesn't the discipline of the team start off with the Head Coach?

The mistakes doesn't matter, we've lived on the edge the entire season and could easily be 2-7 right now with Corwin Brown finishing out the remainder of the season if things didn't fall on our side. Is it that every team we've played this season has come to play hard, or have we not come to play hard until we're staring defeat in the face?

Whether you like it or not its the HC's job to coach the guys up for the game, mistakes are going to happen during the game, but they will be minor if we made these mistakes while in a comfortable position, which outside of 2, has been the case this season.

Discipline isn't always head coach. He doesn't do much with the defense and against the option, discipline is key to stopping it. I assume is Charlies fault for Clausen getting busted in the wrist and fumbling on the one. Is it also his fault that there was a miscommunication between Clausen and Floyd? Or that Tausch missed two field goals after making 14 in a row, an ND record?

 

[NDFLA]

Agree to disagree, however I am not happy with mediocrity. I want better and expect better but know that in anything in life, bad days happen. There are many people outlining the reasons we lost. The turnovers, the defense's lack of discipline etc. I don't see how that is Charlies fault that we had turnovers. I still honestly feel if Charlie is here next year, Jimmy is here next year. If Charlie leaves, Jimmy leaves.

I would love to see Jimmy stay, but he is going pro. Way to much money to pass up.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

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I would love to see Jimmy stay, but he is going pro. Way to much money to pass up.

I honestly don't think he has accomplished what he has wanted to here. If he leaves, he will not have accomplished much in his Irish career. No wins against USC, no Heisman, no Nat'l Title. I guess we won't know until after the season because there are arguments for and against him going. If he is after money, he can't get his ass out of here soon enough cause after this draft, there will be a salary on rookies. But if he wants to accomplish more, he will stay. We will see, I can always hope.

 

[phork]

I honestly don't think he has accomplished what he has wanted to here. If he leaves, he will not have accomplished much in his Irish career. No wins against USC, no Heisman, no Nat'l Title. I guess we won't know until after the season because there are arguments for and against him going. If he is after money, he can't get his ass out of here soon enough cause after this draft, there will be a salary on rookies. But if he wants to accomplish more, he will stay. We will see, I can always hope.

He isn't going to do it next year either. I would tell him to leave while he still has his career ahead of him.

 

[NDFLA]

I honestly don't think he has accomplished what he has wanted to here. If he leaves, he will not have accomplished much in his Irish career. No wins against USC, no Heisman, no Nat'l Title. I guess we won't know until after the season because there are arguments for and against him going. If he is after money, he can't get his ass out of here soon enough cause after this draft, there will be a salary on rookies. But if he wants to accomplish more, he will stay. We will see, I can always hope.

I agree with everything that you said here, and I really hope he wants to come back and accomplish all of those things also.( Even if it means Weis looks good, lol.) The salary cap on rookies after this year will be the deciding factor. Any coach worth anything would tell the kid to go, and although I do not like Weis as a head coach, I think he cares about the future of his kids. Jimmy is gone. I hope to eat crow on this.

 

[WabashFalcon]

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I would love to see Jimmy stay, but he is going pro. Way to much money to pass up.

That's funny... they said the same thing about a Junior Quarterback from Tennessee a short while ago. Did he stay? Yeah. He did. Wonder how his career's going? Did that extra year help?



Yup.

 

[NDFLA]

That's funny... they said the same thing about a Junior Quarterback from Tennessee a short while ago. Did he stay? Yeah. He did. Wonder how his career's going? Did that extra year help?



Yup.

No doubt that the extra year would help him, but with the change in the salary cap for rookies, he could lose millions. I want him to come back to but, it really isn't the smart move finacially. If Jimmy doesn't care about the cash, then bravo, welcome back. But, you can't say you would be surprised if he goes.

 

[WabashFalcon]

He doesn't really need the cash. I hate to sound like a prick... but his family is loaded.

 

[phork]

How about the end of the road if he has a career ending injury? No one could blame him for leaving. I certainly wouldn't want to make that choice.

 

[NDMontana]

Those of you excusing this away by saying CW doesn't have anything to do with defense need to understand something: HE'S THE HEAD FRIGGING COACH. HE IS THE CEO; THE BUCK STOPS WITH HIM.

This is like a corporation and CW is the CEO. When the company is failing the CEO gets fired. People don't blame a failing company's CFO or Chief Legal Counsel or Marketing Director and do you know why they don't blame the afore mentioned? Because the CEO has the ability to replace any of them if they or their department is not performing up to expectations. You can bet your ass that the CEO will get fired when he defends his methods and actually says that he isn't going to change how he does things when it's obvious that his methods aren't working. Most CEO's would chart a new course or fire the department head whose area is dragging down the company.

But not CW. He's out there saying things are fine, everything is good. I wish he would stop behaving the way he's been behaving because I'd actually like to see him stick around because he's going to put it all together....eventually.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

He needs to take out an insurance policy if he is going to stay. He has said he hasn't taken one out yet. If that is true or not, I do not know. That is what the Elkhart Truth said today.

 

[phork]

Look on the bright side. The onside kick looks to be almost unstoppable.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Look on the bright side. The onside kick looks to be almost unstoppable.

Let's do that every kickoff. That was awesome.

 

[partyhardbeforelent]

C'mon, everybody, let's not get our collective shorts all wedgied up over this...it's a football loss, nothing more, nothing less. I say keep Charlie. Look at it this way: So long as we retain the 7-4-1 scheduling format, and refuse to play several top-tier teams on a home-and-home basis every year, and so long as we continue to schedule the likes of WMU and Tulsa and Nevada and Godknowswhoelse, we are not going to have any true national cred anyway. We're playing at least two-thirds of our season on a deck stacked mightily in our favor, and everyone knows that. So we ought to stop lying to ourselves about BCS legitimacy, enjoy our little schedule for what it is, have genuine scholar/athletes, and stop taking all this stuff so damned seriously. We lost....to Navy, no less. OK. Get over it. Not that big of a deal....we can still have fun at the upcoming games, and we will. We won't be playing toughies like Navy. Think UConn!

 

[WabashFalcon]

C'mon, everybody, let's not get our collective shorts all wedgied up over this...it's a football loss, nothing more, nothing less. I say keep Charlie. Look at it this way: So long as we retain the 7-4-1 scheduling format, and refuse to play several top-tier teams on a home-and-home basis every year, and so long as we continue to schedule the likes of WMU and Tulsa and Nevada and Godknowswhoelse, we are not going to have any true national cred anyway. We're playing at least two-thirds of our season on a deck stacked mightily in our favor, and everyone knows that. So we ought to stop lying to ourselves about BCS legitimacy, enjoy our little schedule for what it is, have genuine scholar/athletes, and stop taking all this stuff so damned seriously. We lost....to Navy, no less. OK. Get over it. Not that big of a deal....we can still have fun at the upcoming games, and we will. We won't be playing toughies like Navy. Think UConn!

And the troll comes back out of the woodwork. Which name is this for you now, fish? I'm gonna go out on a limb... what's up NDOM?

 

[Brown]

A perfect example of why all athletes and coaches are so "bottled up" and never let anybody know how they truly feel.

A reporter asked Weis how he was going to "get up after losing to Navy" ... his response was (i'm paraphrasing) "it doesn't matter who we play, I'm still going to get up tomorrow morning, come to the office, and it will be back to practice like normal, nothings changed, the team knows that, we prepare the same way no matter who the team is, our focus is on Pittsburgh next week"

Which is exactly how i'd expect him to say in response to that question.

The alternative is "i'm so disheartened by this loss, i'll just cancel practice all week, fire the coaching staff, and put my house on the market since I'll be gone by the end of the year anyway".

 

[NDMontana]

A perfect example of why all athletes and coaches are so "bottled up" and never let anybody know how they truly feel.

A reporter asked Weis how he was going to "get up after losing to Navy" ... his response was (i'm paraphrasing) "it doesnt matter who we play, I'm still going to get up tomorrow morning, come to the office, and it will be back to practice like normal, nothings changed, the team knows that"

Which is exactly what I'd expect him to say to that question.

The alternative is "i'm so disheartened by this loss, i'll just cancel practice all week, fire the coaching staff, and call a moving company since I'll probably be fired by Monday anyway".

Huh?

 

[Brown]

People are criticizing Weis for how he responded to a question in his presser today. My last comment was defending his response.

 

[NDMontana]

People are criticizing Weis for how he responded to a question in his presser today. My last comment was defending his response.

I've criticized him for the following quote which had nothing to do with the stuff you just posted:

"The sad part about it is, that's this job every week," Weis said. "It's a week-to-week deal. ... As I just told the team, I coach exactly the same way every week ... whether it's a win or loss. One thing they know from me is I never, ever change."


That wasn't taken out of context. It was a quote after question about decision making and second guessing. Obviously his coaching decisions haven't been that great (16-19 the last three years); it just this type of comment that makes it hard to support the guy. His style isn't working but he keeps on insisting that it does or will. Just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Brown]

I'm listening to it right now...here's exactly what was asked and how it was answered:

Reporter:
This is the kind of loss that's going to put focus on you and your future how do you handle that and how to address your team.

Coach Weis:
That comes with the territory ... the sad part about that Eric is that's apart of this job every week. I's a week to week deal. Lets not diminish or slight Navy in any way they deserve a lot of credit for how they played and winning this game.... As I told the team I coach the team the exact same way every week regardless whether or not we win or lose. One thing they know from me is that I never change. Never ever change. Those types of things (refering to the tough losses) affect the people around you more than it affects you personally because I never change. I will roll into tomorrow morning exactly the same way no matter had we won or lost. Does sit feel bad? yea ... does it hurt? yea. But it isn't going to change my approach to how I coach.

He's saying that whether they had won or loss he was going to have the same attitude towards next week regardless. He just did a poor job of communicating that .. and gave the media exactly what they wanted. Some quotes that they can write out of context to make him seem rigid. I have to admit .. it certainly is entertaining .. but not objective nor fair to him.

 

[NDMontana]

I'm listening to it right now...here's exactly what was asked and how it was answered:

This is the kind of loss that's going to put focus on you and your future how do you handle that and how to address your team.

That comes with the territory ... the sad part about that Eric is that's part of this job every week. I's a week to week deal. So you lose to a game against Navy ... lets not diminish or slight Navy in any way they deserve a lot of credit for how they played and winning this game.

As I told the team I coach the team the exact same way every week regardless whether or not we win or lose. One thing they know from me is that I never change. Never ever change. Those types of things affect the people around you more than it affects you personally because I never change. I will roll into tomorrow every morning exactly the same way no matter had we won or loss. Doe sit feel bad? yea ... does it hurt? yea. But it isn't going to change my approach to how I coach.

Thank you for posting that in it's entirety because it's actually worse than the clip they included in the Chicago Tribune article.

So a guy with all this supposed talent has a 16-19 record in the past three seasons and isn't going to change his approach. Wow, that's really refreshing.

Here's what he should have said: Though it doesn't work, I keep doing the same thing over-and-over. I'm not going to change because I'm not going to give anyone the satisfaction of seeing me admit that I was wrong. I don't think it's admirable to adapt or alter your techniques, even when your techniques have proven to be unsuccessful. I'm going to do what I want, when I want, how I want. Fire me, I don't give a shit-- it will be a huge buyout.

 

[NDMontana]

He's saying that whether they had won or loss he was going to have the same attitude towards next week regardless. He just did a poor job of communicating that .. and gave the media exactly what they wanted. Some quotes that they can write out of context to make him seem rigid. I have to admit .. it certainly is entertaining .. but not objective nor fair to him.

I've been watching Charlie Weis for five years and seen a man with a great deal of hubris and pride. So I disagree with your assessment: he was saying exactly what he meant. His methods haven't changed in the five years he's been at ND.

Who are you, anyway? His PR person? How do you know what he was trying to communicate?

 

[Brown]

Again, he's not referring to X's and O's -- he's referring to his attitude, more specifically his "morale".

The reporter asked how he was going to address the team after a tough loss to Navy and how he's going to handle the heat (the potential loss of his job) ... his response was one you'd expect from a leader.

It's good leadership to never get too high or low. I see a poor choice of words used ... but the overall point he was making was a very good one.

Had the reporter asked him what changes does he plan on making to the coaching staff, or the scheme, or the depth chart, and he answered "i never make changes i coach the same all the time" .. then I'd be right there with you.

 

[NDMontana]

Again, he's not referring to X's and O's -- he's referring to his attitude, more specifically his "morale".

The reporter asked how he was going to address the team after a tough loss to Navy ... his response was that nothing changes ... whether we win or lose ... nothing changes.

It's good leadership to never get too high or low. I see a poor choice of words used ... but the overall pointing he was making was a very good one.

Well the X's and O's haven't exactly been great but I'd say the general attitude of the team seems to be the same every week. The team seems to be in a malaise week-in and week-out. Maybe a coach with a little emotion would do the team some good. Because teams tend to take on their coaches personality and this team seems to be very arrogant, seems to just think they can show up and win and seem to play the game with very little emotion. And I'd say that's a fair summation of Charlie Weis' personality traits.

 

[chyrspchuck]

I've been watching Charlie Weis for five years and seen a man with a great deal of hubris and pride. So I disagree with your assessment: he was saying exactly what he meant. His methods haven't changed in the five years he's been at ND.

Who are you, anyway? His PR person? How do you know what he was trying to communicate?

No he is not his PR person, he is just a fan who actually listened to the press conference before speaking out of his ass.

 

[NDMontana]

No he is not his PR person, he is just a fan who actually listened to the press conference before speaking out of his ass.

I don't need to twist what CW said....it's all right there and it's obvious to anybody with two good eyes: the guy isn't very good at adapting.

 

[NDMontana]

Irish Eyes Are Frowning
When I visited Notre Dame in the spring, Charlie Weis struck me as a man at peace with his circumstances. He knew if this season didn't go well, he might wind up unemployed. But he also knew he had a boatload of talent.

Well, that boat got sunk Saturday by a less talented but ultimately superior force. Barring some sort of miracle finish, Navy's 23-21 win probably spells doom for Weis in South Bend. Even if Weis wins out, Notre Dame can do no better than the Gator Bowl, which certainly can't be how Weis envisioned closing this season when he looked over his roster in March and saw Jimmy Clausen, Michael Floyd, Golden Tate, Brian Smith and Ethan Johnson.

This team has BCS-bowl talent, and Weis didn't get it done. The master of the "decided schematic advantage" and his defensive coordinator, John Tenuta, got outflanked by Navy's Ken Niumatalolo, who assumed that Notre Dame would use exactly the same defensive schemes it used in 2008, when the Fighting Irish held the Midshipmen to 178 rushing yards. Niumatalolo and his staff designed plays they knew would work against the formations and personnel groups the Irish used.

Niumatalolo guessed correctly. Notre Dame hadn't added even the slightest new wrinkle, and Navy bulldozed ahead for 348 yards. After the loss, reporters asked Weis if he worries that now his job status will be questioned.

"That comes with the territory," Weis said. "It comes with the territory. You know, the sad part about it is that's this job every week. It's a week-to-week deal."

Weis said he'll handle the criticism the way he always does.

"As I just told the team, I coach the team exactly the same way every week regardless of the situation, whether it's win or lose," Weis said. "One thing they know from me is I never change, never, ever change."

And that's precisely the problem.

I enjoyed this snippet. Big Ten scheduling flak, the Hogs' revival, more Snaps - Andy Staples - SI.com

 

[GDomer09]

Irish Eyes Are Frowning
When I visited Notre Dame in the spring, Charlie Weis struck me as a man at peace with his circumstances. He knew if this season didn't go well, he might wind up unemployed. But he also knew he had a boatload of talent.

Well, that boat got sunk Saturday by a less talented but ultimately superior force. Barring some sort of miracle finish, Navy's 23-21 win probably spells doom for Weis in South Bend. Even if Weis wins out, Notre Dame can do no better than the Gator Bowl, which certainly can't be how Weis envisioned closing this season when he looked over his roster in March and saw Jimmy Clausen, Michael Floyd, Golden Tate, Brian Smith and Ethan Johnson.

This team has BCS-bowl talent, and Weis didn't get it done. The master of the "decided schematic advantage" and his defensive coordinator, John Tenuta, got outflanked by Navy's Ken Niumatalolo, who assumed that Notre Dame would use exactly the same defensive schemes it used in 2008, when the Fighting Irish held the Midshipmen to 178 rushing yards. Niumatalolo and his staff designed plays they knew would work against the formations and personnel groups the Irish used.

Niumatalolo guessed correctly. Notre Dame hadn't added even the slightest new wrinkle, and Navy bulldozed ahead for 348 yards. After the loss, reporters asked Weis if he worries that now his job status will be questioned.

"That comes with the territory," Weis said. "It comes with the territory. You know, the sad part about it is that's this job every week. It's a week-to-week deal."

Weis said he'll handle the criticism the way he always does.

"As I just told the team, I coach the team exactly the same way every week regardless of the situation, whether it's win or lose," Weis said. "One thing they know from me is I never change, never, ever change."

And that's precisely the problem.

I enjoyed this snippet. Big Ten scheduling flak, the Hogs' revival, more Snaps - Andy Staples - SI.com

Irish Eyes or just your Bronco Eyes! LOL just playing!!

Charlie Weis has, Offensively, BCS Bowl talent and Defensively Crack pipe talent!

 

[WabashFalcon]

Irish Eyes or just your Bronco Eyes! LOL just playing!!

Charlie Weis has, Offensively, BCS Bowl talent and Defensively Crack pipe talent!

1998-2006 Indianapolis Colts anyone?

 

[NDMontana]

Irish Eyes or just your Bronco Eyes! LOL just playing!!

Charlie Weis has, Offensively, BCS Bowl talent and Defensively Crack pipe talent!

Both!!