Fire Weis (Merged - Stop Creating New Threads)

[jason_h537]

I can easily tell ignorant people to shut the suck up because its a lose lose situation. It is easy to look back and say what u stupid fat ass, he cost us the game. The playcalling did not cost us the game Michigan beat us plain and simple. Our recievers were carving their secondary up. Weis was playing to win and it cost him, but i would much rather have a coach that plays to win than one that plays not to lose.

 

[ND22SB]

So you agree with throwing the ball down field when a slant would have gotten us the first down. You are being ignorant if you think he called it right on that last series. Yes, we did make a ton of mistakes today that also cost us the game. Who are you to tell anyone to shut the fuck up though. Weis did fuck up on that series and reguardless of the incredible game he called, WHEN IT MATTERED, he didn't step up and lead these kids that played their hearts out. Yes, I would have bitched about the calls if he ran it 3 times for no gain, because that would have been as dumb as throwing the bomb. The short pass was there all day and it was there on the last series and Charlie blew it and was out coached by Rich.

lets the "head ball coach" klik klak

 

[NDMontana]

I can easily tell ignorant people to shut the suck up because its a lose lose situation. It is easy to look back and say what u stupid fat ass, he cost us the game. The playcalling did not cost us the game Michigan beat us plain and simple. Our recievers were carving their secondary up. Weis was playing to win and it cost him, but i would much rather have a coach that plays to win than one that plays not to lose.

Playing to win is throwing those passses with two minutes left and the score TIED--not throwing those passes with the LEAD. You run the ball, force them to take TO's and that's it. They would've run out of time on their final drive if we run on second down.

 

[NDFLA]

I can easily tell ignorant people to shut the suck up because its a lose lose situation. It is easy to look back and say what u stupid fat ass, he cost us the game. The playcalling did not cost us the game Michigan beat us plain and simple. Our recievers were carving their secondary up. Weis was playing to win and it cost him, but i would much rather have a coach that plays to win than one that plays not to lose.

If he was playing to win he would have controled the game. Whenever we used the short game we were successful. Winners know when to control the game, we didn't need 40 yards, just 10. keep the clock moving and drive down the field like we did all day. I want a coach who plays for the win too, Charlie didn't do that. Let's agree to disagree, we both love the Irish.

 

[irishfan]

Playing to win is throwing those passses with two minutes left and the score TIED--not throwing those passes with the LEAD. You run the ball, force them to take TO's and that's it. They would've run out of time on their final drive if we run on second down.

thats called playing not to lose....did you read the end of his post?

 

[NDFLA]

thats called playing not to lose....did you read the end of his post?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we did lose. He must have done a great job then.

 

[NDMontana]

thats called playing not to lose....did you read the end of his post?

Playing not to lose is calling runs with two minutes left in a TIED game, hoping to force OT. Playing to win is running the ball and forcing your opponent to use their time outs when you have the lead.

 

[irishfan]

Playing not to lose is calling runs with two minutes left in a TIED game, hoping to force OT. Playing to win is running the ball and forcing your opponent to use their time outs when you have the lead.

Weis didnt get the ND job/3 superbowls by being conservative in his play calling

 

[aaronb]

If he was playing to win he would have controled the game. Whenever we used the short game we were successful. Winners know when to control the game, we didn't need 40 yards, just 10. keep the clock moving and drive down the field like we did all day. I want a coach who plays for the win too, Charlie didn't do that. Let's agree to disagree, we both love the Irish.

Golden Tate was BLATANTLY held on that 2nd and 10. If the Ref makes the obvious call then the game is over. I fail to see how this is on Charlie?

 

[The Chosen One]

Playing not to lose is calling runs with two minutes left in a TIED game, hoping to force OT. Playing to win is running the ball and forcing your opponent to use their time outs when you have the lead.

It was just a bad break that we lost. There really was no "right" or "wrong" decision here. If we run the ball then we give it back to their offence whom was red hot against our very shitty d. If we pass the ball they are not expecting that so wr's should be open and with our wr's its logical to throw to them but if its incomplete its a hugh advantage for them. All we had to do was complete one pass for the win so I don't really mind that Weis threw it. Give credit to Michigan for the win.

 

[NDFLA]

Golden Tate was BLATANTLY held on that 2nd and 10. If the Ref makes the obvious call then the game is over. I fail to see how this is on Charlie?

Because we did not need 30 yards all at once! We needed to get a drive going, the refs sucked all game and you can't give them the opportunity to control the outcome. Charlie did. We lose.

 

[Dacian_Irish]

It's still way early in the season so we just need to be patient and see what happens. Let's see what happens in the next couple of games. I still believe we can have a 10 win season.

 

[NDMontana]

It was just a bad break that we lost. There really was no "right" or "wrong" decision here. If we run the ball then we give it back to their offence whom was red hot against our very shitty d. If we pass the ball they are not expecting that so wr's should be open and with our wr's its logical to throw to them but if its incomplete its a hugh advantage for them. All we had to do was complete one pass for the win so I don't really mind that Weis threw it. Give credit to Michigan for the win.

You run the ball, run five seconds off the clock and Michigan has one less timeout on that final drive and they run out of time. Yes, there is a right or wrong and--IMO--CW was wrong.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

No one can begin talking about charlie being relieved of his duties unless you know

1) who would replace him

2) that person would be better for the future of the program

 

[Newc]

It was just a bad break that we lost. There really was no "right" or "wrong" decision here. If we run the ball then we give it back to their offence whom was red hot against our very shitty d. If we pass the ball they are not expecting that so wr's should be open and with our wr's its logical to throw to them but if its incomplete its a hugh advantage for them. All we had to do was complete one pass for the win so I don't really mind that Weis threw it. Give credit to Michigan for the win.

Yea, I understand your thinking here, but you just assume that if we run that we aren't going to make the first down. Our o-line was doing a pretty good job of opening up some holes. What if we do get the first down on the ground?? Is throwing the ball still the better option then?? You assume that throwing the ball surprises Michigan and we get the first down....but we didn't get the first down. Bad calls from the refs or not, with the lead isn't the logical call the one that will eat up more time??

 

[NDMontana]

No one can begin talking about charlie being relieved of his duties unless you know

1) who would replace him

2) that person would be better for the future of the program

Even though you didn't direct this at me, I'll prempt a few folks right now: I'm not calling for his job. I'm just saying his decision making today was idiotic.

 

[The Chosen One]

You run the ball, run five seconds off the clock and Michigan has one less timeout on that final drive and they run out of time. Yes, there is a right or wrong and--IMO--CW was wrong.

Yes I agree only if your defence has shown it can stop the other teams offence that is and we couldn't. I still think they would have drove down the field even if we did run it.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Hindsiight. Bottom line for me was that refs stole the game. ND never had a chance. Refs need to be shot right twixt the eyes. NCAA needs to fucking fix it.

Where ya been NDMontana? This site is better with you.

 

[NDMontana]

Hindsiight. Bottom line for me was that refs stole the game. ND never had a chance. Refs need to be shot right twixt the eyes. NCAA needs to fucking fix it.

Killing those refs isn't going to bring your mother back. And you know it.

 

[Sureal]

The two passes pissed me off but 34 points is more than enough to win a ball game. I mean damn... Stop some damn body.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Killing those refs isn't going to bring your mother back. And you know it.

Bastage. Go away.

 

[NDMontana]

Hello Neutered,

I was busy in the final semester of school, got a job, had to go to training for two months and I really just got settled back in at home. Just in time for football season.....which may not be a good thing!

How ya been?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Hangin out. Wantin to shoot me some refs. They totally changed all momentum and technique. They owned the game in Bitchagain's favor. Friggen criminal.

 

[NDMontana]

Hangin out. Wantin to shoot me some refs. They totally changed all momentum and technique. They owned the game in Bitchagain's favor. Friggen criminal.

I don't know, end of the day not running the ball is just baffling. The worst part is that we don't have much chance for redemption. The only game that could offset that loss is a win at USC....and even contemplating that is a joke. This should put things in perspective for us--I know it does for me--Ohio State has been owned, OWNED, in BCS games and games against Top 25 teams for the last four years. You know who their last BCS victory was over? That's right, us. They dominated us. That tells me a lot.

 

[irishfan]

Weis defended his choice to put the ball in the air after running for a first down and a short gain to start a drive deep in Notre Dame territory.

''They loaded up the box and made it clear that they weren't going to let us do that, so we had to throw the ball,'' Weis said. ''On third down, we could have run and made them use a timeout, but we were trying to win the game.''



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[alleycat9]

fact is the team was unprepared to start the second half.
fact is they adjusted we did not
fact is why is JOHN RYAN ON THE FIELD!!!!!
fact is why does our best lineman get 2 or was it 3 holding calls?
fact is they were undisciplined.
fact is they talked too goddamn much.
fact is they lost 15 yards TWICE after touchdowns.
fact is this team is going NOWHERE fast.

i have been a weis fan since he was with the jets under parcells, i have followed him and liked him tremendously since the mid 90s but i have to call it like i see it. there is no way this program becomes elite under charlie weis.

 

[Newc]

Weis defended his choice to put the ball in the air after running for a first down and a short gain to start a drive deep in Notre Dame territory.

''They loaded up the box and made it clear that they weren't going to let us do that, so we had to throw the ball,'' Weis said. ''On third down, we could have run and made them use a timeout, but we were trying to win the game.''



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Ok Weis, so if the load up the box you need to throw 30 yard fades?? What about a slant or something that is a higher percentage throw. If they are bringing the heat soften them up with a screen. We are supposed to have a dynamic offense, why rely on the deep ball??

 

[phork]

Stack the box? So what? Run it anyways and make them burn their time outs. If you are going to throw it anyway, throw it on 3rd down after you've made 2 running attempts.

It makes no sense what so ever.

 

[jonesman]

You guys are so absolutely ridiculous. This was a classic UM-ND game and UM caught every break imaginable. Let's look at a few that were just huge.

1. Darrin Walls has perfect position in the first quarter on a long pass to make the INT. He trips on the foot of the WR. This would have stopped a scoring drive.
2. Holding on Sam Young brings back a 70 yard play. Since when is pushing a guy to the ground holding????
3. Armando gets called on phantom excessive celebration call. This was flippin huge. Anyone see this?? Bet not.

Charlie coached a great O gameplan. The special teams gave up some points. The D struggled right where I expected, DL. This is a great team and will win lots of games.

 

[Steve]

what would you guys have said if they completed one of the passes? honest question. would you have said that you loved the killer instinct charlie has?