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Our scheme must be at least partly to blame for our leaky defense. When CW came in he took the same team who couldn't score in 2004 and set records. Who is to say that a defensive coaching change couldn't produce similar results. We need an SEC style attacking defense and i just think that this soft coverage, bend but don't break thing SUCKS. To use a CW term we need to get nasty. Who can we bring in to fix it?
 
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I actually suggested on the rivals site that ND goes after AL GOLDEN. He is still at Temple and lets face it he is not going to make it into the next Rutgers. He has head coaching experience now.....go to ND stay for 4 yrs and then move on to a MAC school or another mid major where he has a chance to succeed.

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If I could choose one Definsive Coordinator it would be Brent Veneables from Oklahoma. No chance he would come to Notre Dame though.
 
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I think Minter deserves a more extended look. The guy has a proven track record, including previous service time at ND. I know times have changed, but he at least deserves the chance to show what he can do with better talent on defense. This year alone we are starting a converted RB at LB, Crum has been playing out of position, Ndukwe is still learning his position. About the only unit that is settled is the D-Line, and even there the team had to deal with the departure of Ronald Talley. All that being said, the defense has imporoved this year from where it was a year ago (Though Zbikowski has not handled the pressure of expectation very well).

Once some of these young kids that have been coming in in the last two recruiting classes are on the field full time, you'll see a much different outlook back there.
 
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Minter should go. Two years of his soft,bend but don't break defense are enough. His schemes result in too many big plays Also,I think we'd attract more recruiting interest with a change. We need an aggressive,innovative dc who will pressure the quarterback.
names? the gt and ucla coordinators are two possiblities.
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I'll never forget the prevent, "bend but don't break" defense that cost us the National Championship in 93. I was not that impressed the first go around at ND. I'll give him next year because it will be a rebuilding year especially on offense. If I don't see some major improvements, I'm taking the gloves off.
 
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irishjbird said:
I actually suggested on the rivals site that ND goes after AL GOLDEN. He is still at Temple and lets face it he is not going to make it into the next Rutgers. He has head coaching experience now.....go to ND stay for 4 yrs and then move on to a MAC school or another mid major where he has a chance to succeed.

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Golden was CW's first choice for the job. He chose to remain a UVA then took the Temple HC job. Apparently Golden is a masochists.

This is the about the 50th thread on this subject and Minter isn't going anywhere.

Everyone wants any attacking defense but you need attackers first. Who are you going to send on the attack - the backup RB turned LB. Good luck with that. Abimiri - Sure his 10 sacks look nice on paper, but a closer look reveals that 7 of the 10 came against Stanford, Navy and North Carolina. He was shutout against UM, USC and GT (the best teams on the schedule).

The reason CW was able to turn the offense around is because it had playmakers. This defense doesn't have that. There isn't one guy on the defense that scares an opposing coach. There are some good players but no one so good that have to accounted for on every play. That is the reality.

The process of aquiring defensive differences makers has begun. Patience is a virtue.
 
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Golden was CW's first choice for the job. He chose to remain a UVA then took the Temple HC job. Apparently Golden is a masochists.

This is the about the 50th thread on this subject and Minter isn't going anywhere.

Everyone wants any attacking defense but you need attackers first. Who are you going to send on the attack - the backup RB turned LB. Good luck with that. Abimiri - Sure his 10 sacks look nice on paper, but a closer look reveals that 7 of the 10 came against Stanford, Navy and North Carolina. He was shutout against UM, USC and GT (the best teams on the schedule).

The reason CW was able to turn the offense around is because it had playmakers. This defense doesn't have that. There isn't one guy on the defense that scares an opposing coach. There are some good players but no one so good that have to accounted for on every play. That is the reality.

The process of aquiring defensive differences makers has begun. Patience is a virtue.
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guff said:
Everyone wants any attacking defense but you need attackers first. Who are you going to send on the attack - the backup RB turned LB. Good luck with that. Abimiri - Sure his 10 sacks look nice on paper, but a closer look reveals that 7 of the 10 came against Stanford, Navy and North Carolina. He was shutout against UM, USC and GT (the best teams on the schedule).

The reason CW was able to turn the offense around is because it had playmakers. This defense doesn't have that. There isn't one guy on the defense that scares an opposing coach. There are some good players but no one so good that have to accounted for on every play. That is the reality.
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Except other defensive coordinators have been able to do more with probably even less talent (at least on paper). I think the argument, in large part, comes down to whether the recruiting ratings of a lot of the defensive players were overblown. If you think the recruiting services got Landri, Laws, Abiamiri, Frome, Wooden, and Z all wrong--well, that's an argument. (If that's the case, who is to say that getting better rated players this year and in the future will help). But you can't say that on paper the talent was not there for a good d-coordinator to do more.

Again, not saying Minter has to go. But I admit dissapointment, and I think people maybe right in the demand for more. Then again, whatever Charlie decides, I guess we have to go along with.
 
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Its not the losses that bother me as much as the giving up 500+ yds and losing. Or the giving up 60+ yds on 4th down. Take your pick. At times, we made average teams look like great offenses. Its not up to me, but I can see the Sugar Bowl being Minters last day if it ends up like the 2005 Fiesta Bowl.
 
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I don't see a change at defensive coordinator unless Weis finds a guy that he can totally trust with full control of the defense. Those that do want a change, may want to become OSU fans, because a certain pro team in Ohio would gladly clear a spot for ol Tressel if he was to come a calling.
 
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I don't see a change at defensive coordinator unless Weis finds a guy that he can totally trust with full control of the defense. Those that do want a change, may want to become OSU fans, because a certain pro team in Ohio would gladly clear a spot for ol Tressel if he was to come a calling.
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So do you think that Weis has total trust in Minter's control of the defense? If so, why? And if not, why did he get hired in the first place?
 
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Here is a comparison for you.

Look at USC's offense against UCLA and it's offense against us.

Two games, one right after another.

USC waxed our defense.
USC looked like a high school team against UCLA.

You can't honestly say that UCLA's defensive talent was THAT much stronger than ours. Because, I haven't looked at the recruiting rankings, but I bet it was about the same as ours.

SO who takes the blame?

You guys are acting like we had an "All Scrub Team" on defense this year.

Well guess what? We didn't, there were a lot of talented players that didn't make plays, or weren't in the position to makes plays, either because of their own fault, or because of the scheme.

All I know, is that we are losing a lot of talented people on the defensive side of the ball. ND should not be satisfied with a ~50th ranked defense. We should AT THE VERY LEAST have been a top 25 defense this year.

And what good does it do if you improve 25 spots from one year to the next... if you are still ~50th. Our LB corps was weak, everyone knows that. But the DB's and D-line was not weak, and it still didn't get it done.

I think Minter was a great coordinator when everyone & their mother was running the ball. But times have changed, and it doesn't seem like his schemes have. He needs to take some lessons from the more effective D-Coordinators out there.
 
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ShivaIrish said:
So do you think that Weis has total trust in Minter's control of the defense? If so, why? And if not, why did he get hired in the first place?
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He got hired because Weis needed somebody, and Minter had experience with the program. Weis is now at a position where other D-Coordinators will have respect for him as a Head Coach, and he has time to look around and see if there is someone else better for the team.

And I believe that there has got to be someone else better out there.
 
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UCLA's defense looked pretty talented to me when they shut down USC and almost shut down ND. That UCLA defense also went 10-2 last year.

How can we say our defense has talent? We've never seen that talent, so how are we so sure it is there? Recruiting rankings? Those have proven to be faulty, plus Z was a QB in high school.

And a jump of 25 spots from year 1 to year 2 under a new coach DOES do a lot of good. It's called progress. You don't go from 75th to Top 25 in 1 year with the same players. Let's see if the 25 spot jump does any good when it take us from 50th to 25th. Hmmm, now that's significant, but it takes time to get there.

ND has done nothing but improve since CW and company have gotten there. It might not be enough for some people in the short term, but that's our perception problem and not the team's progression problem.
 
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where would our D rank without the benefit of teams like Army, Stanford, and UNC?

honestly, our defense has struggled more than teams with decidedly less talent against the same opposition. that is the objective bottom line.
 
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Our d wouldn't rank any lower for playing those teams than anyone else for playing Western Carolina, Northern Illinios, Southern Miss, UCF, UL-Lafayette, Ball State, Montana, Louisiana Tech, Troy, FIU, FAU, Toledo, Bowling Green, Tulane etc. We ranked 50th in d versus a Top 25 schedule. The rank is fair when comparing schedules.
 
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njuneardave said:
where would our D rank without the benefit of teams like Army, Stanford, and UNC?

honestly, our defense has struggled more than teams with decidedly less talent against the same opposition. that is the objective bottom line.
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Seriously, have you really bought all the BS that ESPN has crapped out? "The Irish have played a bunch of service academies and crappy teams, and lost against the good teams." Have you heard of WISCONSIN. Or ANY other school? EVERYBODY plays cupcakes. Everybody has about the same number of them, 4 or 5. Most everybody plays about 4-5 cupcakes, 3-4 mediocre teams, 2-3 big games a year. We AREN'T different, no matter what the media says. We may only be different in that we usually play LESS cupcakes, but this year was an exception, and we played the average amount. Man, I guess if you repeat something enough, people will believe its truth, but seriously man, look up other teams schedules, and count the crappy teams. It's almost the same at every major school. Our stats, Brady's stats, etc. are just as fair as anyone else's.
 
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jerseyborn1971 said:
Our d wouldn't rank any lower for playing those teams than anyone else for playing Western Carolina, Northern Illinios, Southern Miss, UCF, UL-Lafayette, Ball State, Montana, Louisiana Tech, Troy, FIU, FAU, Toledo, Bowling Green, Tulane etc. We ranked 50th in d versus a Top 25 schedule. The rank is fair when comparing schedules.
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good point.
 
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jerseyborn1971 said:
UCLA's defense looked pretty talented to me when they shut down USC and almost shut down ND. That UCLA defense also went 10-2 last year.

How can we say our defense has talent? We've never seen that talent, so how are we so sure it is there? Recruiting rankings? Those have proven to be faulty, plus Z was a QB in high school.

And a jump of 25 spots from year 1 to year 2 under a new coach DOES do a lot of good. It's called progress. You don't go from 75th to Top 25 in 1 year with the same players. Let's see if the 25 spot jump does any good when it take us from 50th to 25th. Hmmm, now that's significant, but it takes time to get there.

ND has done nothing but improve since CW and company have gotten there. It might not be enough for some people in the short term, but that's our perception problem and not the team's progression problem.
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Jeresy last year UCLA had one of the worst defenses in the country. Probably the worst in school history. They had to outscore everyone just like the Irish. They got a new DC and became lights out with the same players. Minter probably will be back, but that still doesn't change the fact that he really sucks.
 
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Whoever it is, whenever it is....I hope they go the NFL route. Did wonders for UCLA.
 
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I have faith in Minter and with CW high standards I know Minter isn't taking the beatings sitting down. Things will get changed, give it some time. Can't have an SEC attacking defense without the SEC speed on the defensive side of the ball. We are now starting to get those kids in so watch out football, HERE COME THE IRISH!!!!
 
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