CW - Fundamentally

stonebreakerwasgod

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You guys get wrapped around the axle regarding talent. The fact is the talent level that ND recruits should be able to match up with the teams they play even with minimal method coaching. Those guys come into the program exceptional players. Now I’m not saying they should dominate, but they should be competitive. And they are not. So that's not the fundamental issue right now.

Below is a repost from something I had submitted earlier:

From the very beginning, he [CW] came off to me as a coach with too much of an NFL "edge". He talks to and about his players like they are mature pros when in fact they are just kids. I wonder how his players respond to that?

Moreover taciturn coaches can win, but they need a balanced approach in dealing with their players. Lombardi had it. It was love-hate all the way. But he played his guys like a violin. And they would have done anything for Lombardi. Tom Coughlin meanwhile doesn't have it. He's a my way or the highway 24/7 coach who never takes the edge off. And it shows in the club-house bickering that has existed wherever he’s gone. I mean, who'd really want to play for that guy? That's why it's been hard for him to take it to the next level in the pros. So which one is Charlie more like, Lombardi or Coughlin? Beats me. But I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall in that locker room when the players talk among themselves about the situation there.


ND is performing so poorly, it can’t be the talent. And Charlie is undoubtedly a great offensive mind. So the key question has to be can Charlie get guys hungry to play for him? You see Lou give these corny pep talks on ESPN. But hell, after he does one, even I’d go bust down a door for him and the school. Can Charlie consistently do that? I.e. both teach and motivate? What else is there to talk about regarding this current problem?

There is a learning curve to coaching. Plus the fact that the senior class has done nothing for us this year, not to mention the 5th years. Look at the production of seniors and 5th years from BC, there is no comparison.
CW gets a pass this year........talk about this next year if this crap continues.
 

Master Guns

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There is a learning curve to coaching. Plus the fact that the senior class has done nothing for us this year, not to mention the 5th years. Look at the production of seniors and 5th years from BC, there is no comparison.
CW gets a pass this year........talk about this next year if this crap continues.

I agree. I hope we can get back to something respectable next season. In 2009 we better be going for the NC.
 

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I agree. I hope we can get back to something respectable next season. In 2009 we better be going for the NC.

At first I thought CW was a good hire. Now I am not so sure. In order to win consistantly at the major college level. I think you need to be able to run the ball and play defense. The Irish don't run the ball well at all and I have yet to see a good defensive game against a quality opponent yet in the last three years.
 

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At first I thought CW was a good hire. Now I am not so sure. In order to win consistantly at the major college level. I think you need to be able to run the ball and play defense. The Irish don't run the ball well at all and I have yet to see a good defensive game against a quality opponent yet in the last three years.

You're being way too quick to blame CW. You need to give him some time. We should at least wait until all of his players get in, graduate, move on, have kids, retire, and have their grandchildren at ND before we actually assign any responsibility for this team's performance to CW.

Get with it, man.
 

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Guys,
2008 WILL determine the C. Weis legacy. If we struggle to another mediocre year, we have ourselves another Gerry Faust. We will have plenty of talent and a very managable schedule. I firmly believe that if CW does not win atleast 8 games next season, he is NOT the coach we want for the future. There are not even 3 teams on our schedule that should beat us next season. USC and UM will be the only teams where ND should be an underdog.
 

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You're being way too quick to blame CW. You need to give him some time. We should at least wait until all of his players get in, graduate, move on, have kids, retire, and have their grandchildren at ND before we actually assign any responsibility for this team's performance to CW.

Get with it, man.


So who is responsible then? I really do hope CW can turn this program around. I realized that this would be a rough year to but I haven't see any progress on this team especially in regards to the offense which is supposed to be the area which CW excells in. Unless the Irish start blocking & tackling, we are light-years away from even contending for a NC.
 

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So who is responsible then? I really do hope CW can turn this program around. I realized that this would be a rough year to but I haven't see any progress on this team especially in regards to the offense which is supposed to be the area which CW excells in. Unless the Irish start blocking & tackling, we are light-years away from even contending for a NC.

I believe he was being sarcastic
 
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