Clemson Postgame...

[pkt77242]

Also, of course I am. This was the best talent we've had in years. That's from our coach, NFL scouts, and everybody else. However, once again we don't win.

No disagreeing with the talent that we have. Also no doubt that we shit the bed last night. We will know which way the season will go after the USC game. If we beat USC we are still in the playoff race (I am assuming that we beat Navy). If we go out and shit the bed against USC then we have a problem. I see no reason to get on the ledge till then.

 

[kmoose]

When was last time you competed at anything? Did you honestly believe you'd lose?

Now last kind of competitor versus spectator conversation but I'm sure I was told by the coach this was the most talented team he's coached and deepest. If we can't win with that, then yes this is upsetting. Also, considering Clemson is no that good.

I was referring to THIS specific comment, which is why I quoted it:

Also, of course I am. This was the best talent we've had in years. That's from our coach, NFL scouts, and everybody else. However, once again we don't win.

You start off talking about THIS YEAR, and then complain that ONCE AGAIN we didn't win. Can you point out our other loss this season?

 

[Luckylucci]

The Irish program just doesn't seem to have a defined identity. A pass first offense? A power run team? An aggressive defense? Comes down to each person having to do their job better. Just seems to me there is no defined direction that the whole team is moving towards. Once the Irish defines what that is, they could be very good given the talent they have.

Exactly, and it's so apparent. How the F have we not been able to figure this out. I don't care if we run the table and make it to the CFB playoff, becuse we never seemed prepared.

I personally think our coach likes to talk about the big picture so much, his players do to. That results in these lapses of playing. The talent is ridiculous, yet they don't play like it.

 

[pkt77242]

Haha, what great insight.

What great insight do you want to talk about that wasn't talked about yesterday? Our TEs weren't involved (whether because Kizer doesn't look for them or they don't get open I don't know), that Kizer throws off his back foot. Yep, though our O-line did give him time to pass and looked good in that facet of the game. That we couldn't run block worth shit. That Nick Martin didn't look very good yesterday. That we dropped too many passes and had too many overthrows. That there was 3 really rough fumbles with Brown's being a backbreaker (though he looked pretty good otherwise, the best he has looked in a long time). That Will Fuller had a rough game? That Schmidt stunk. That Jaylon Smith had a rough 1st quarter. That Redfield can't tackle and still gets out of position too often. That KVR looks very average in coverage. That everytime Yoon kicks we all hold our breath? That half the board thinks Kelly sucks, and half the board will defend him at all costs? That going for 2 the first time has many upset?

 

[Luckylucci]

I was referring to THIS specific comment, which is why I quoted it:



You start off talking about THIS YEAR, and then complain that ONCE AGAIN we didn't win. Can you point out our other loss this season?

Dude, I get it. Your schtik is tryin to find things to pick at in others posts. Keep on keeping on but I'm out.

Nobody is dumb enough to think 4 games is a good sample size. That why someone would use logic and look at more.

 

[Luckylucci]

No disagreeing with the talent that we have. Also no doubt that we shit the bed last night. We will know which way the season will go after the USC game. If we beat USC we are still in the playoff race (I am assuming that we beat Navy). If we go out and shit the bed against USC then we have a problem. I see no reason to get on the ledge till then.

It blows me away that people on message boards act as if they know the emotional state that another poster is in. Nobody is on a ledge here. I'm talking about the game and it's poor performace and as soon as that happens (which should be relevant) people lose there shit, hence above. Yes it's one game. Where did I say the season was over?

 

[Rizzophil]

The Irish program just doesn't seem to have a defined identity. A pass first offense? A power run team? An aggressive defense? Comes down to each person having to do their job better. Just seems to me there is no defined direction that the whole team is moving towards. Once the Irish defines what that is, they could be very good given the talent they have.

I THINK BK runs his offense but letting find mismatches on offense. If they have numbers, they run the ball for example.

He has always run his teams that way

 

[Luckylucci]

What great insight do you want to talk about that wasn't talked about yesterday? Our TEs weren't involved (whether because Kizer doesn't look for them or they don't get open I don't know), that Kizer throws off his back foot. Yep, though our O-line did give him time to pass and looked good in that facet of the game. That we couldn't run block worth shit. That Nick Martin didn't look very good yesterday. That we dropped too many passes and had too many overthrows. That there was 3 really rough fumbles with Brown's being a backbreaker (though he looked pretty good otherwise, the best he has looked in a long time). That Will Fuller had a rough game? That Schmidt stunk. That Jaylon Smith had a rough 1st quarter. That Redfield can't tackle and still gets out of position too often. That KVR looks very average in coverage. That everytime Yoon kicks we all hold our breath? That half the board thinks Kelly sucks, and half the board will defend him at all costs? That going for 2 the first time has many upset?

Yes, this is a fantastic thought.

Versus immiedaitely that's it's not relevant or matters

 

[scUM Hater]

I believe we all agree that is probably the worst the Irish can play, and to still have a chance at the end to tie it is pretty incredible. It does show the adjustments and heart/hustle of this team. I will drive the bus, who wants on?

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[kmoose]

Dude, I get it. Your schtik is tryin to find things to pick at in others posts. Keep on keeping on but I'm out.

Nobody is dumb enough to think 4 games is a good sample size. That why someone would use logic and look at more.

Dude, I get it; you're just as emotional and reactionary as many other people on this board, and like to make ridiculous statements as if they were fact. You were wrong on Redfield being the best in the Kelly era, and you are equally wrong, if not even moreso, whining about ANOTHER loss for this one loss team.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I came into the year predicting 8-4 with a healthy Zaire and Folston, so I'm still riding pretty high right now.

 

[Luckylucci]

Dude, I get it; you're just as emotional and reactionary as many other people on this board, and like to make ridiculous statements as if they were fact. You were wrong on Redfield being the best in the Kelly era, and you are equally wrong, if not even moreso, whining about ANOTHER loss for this one loss team.

Haha, I can't believe I've been missing your insight this entire time......

Thank you

 

[kmoose]

Haha, I can't believe I've been missing your insight this entire time......

Thank you

I'm happy to help...

 

[DCIrish]

They've only lost one game at this point, but it's clear this is not a playoff caliber team.

Below average pass rush
Secondary is terrible
Running game can easily be taken away if defenses load the box

 

[ThePiombino]

They've only lost one game at this point, but it's clear this is not a playoff caliber team.

Below average pass rush
Secondary is terrible
Running game can easily be taken away if defenses load the box

Why can't they be playoff calibre? This team is better than 2014 FSU which was a playoff team.

 

[kmoose]

They've only lost one game at this point, but it's clear this is not a playoff caliber team.

Below average pass rush
Secondary is terrible
Running game can easily be taken away if defenses load the box

Our pass rush has not been bad, actually........... ND is averaging 6.8 TFL per game. By comparison; Alabama is averaging 5.8, TCU is averaging the same 6.8, and Ohio State is averaging just 7.0. It was pretty much non-existent vs. Clemson, though. That much is true.

 

[DCIrish]

Why can't they be playoff calibre? This team is better than 2014 FSU which was a playoff team.

I hope you don't believe that. FSU had the #1 pick at QB and better overall talent.

If ND really was better they would've beat them when they played last year and I don't care that it was a close game.

 

[kmoose]

I hope you don't believe that. FSU had the #1 pick at QB and better overall talent.

If ND really was better they would've beat them when played last year....

That sounds great and all, but the truth of the matter is that the better team doesn't always win the game.

 

[Luckylucci]

Our pass rush has not been bad, actually........... ND is averaging 6.8 TFL per game. By comparison; Alabama is averaging 5.8, TCU is averaging the same 6.8, and Ohio State is averaging just 7.0. It was pretty much non-existent vs. Clemson, though. That much is true.

Very flawed argument here. TFL doesnt constitute a good pass rush , necessarily.

 

[irishff1014]

They've only lost one game at this point, but it's clear this is not a playoff caliber team.

Below average pass rush
Secondary is terrible
Running game can easily be taken away if defenses load the box

Passing was there even early the coaches were just dead set on the same running play.

 

[kmoose]

Very flawed argument here. TFL doesnt constitute a good pass rush , necessarily.

It's not perfect, no. But TFL is a good indication of the Defensive Line getting good penetration. And penetration is pressure in college football. So, while it's not perfect, it is hardly "very flawed".

 

[Armyirish47]

They've only lost one game at this point, but it's clear this is not a playoff caliber team.

Below average pass rush
Secondary is terrible
Running game can easily be taken away if defenses load the box

Watson completed half of his passes for less than 100 yards. And prior to Clemson Prosise was piling up yards better than any ND running back ever. Soooooo lolwut?

 

[IrishinSyria]

I hope you don't believe that. FSU had the #1 pick at QB and better overall talent.

If ND really was better they would've beat them when they played last year and I don't care that it was a close game.

Definitely. If there's one thing we can say with certainty about sports, it's that the better team wins 100% of the time and unlikely results never happen.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Im the last person to evaluate Olinemen but to me Stanley hasnt played up to how people have talked about him. I remember last night he got burned bad and tackled the other player. And i feel like he had quite a few false starts the last few games, whats going on?!

 

[Circa]

I hope you don't believe that. FSU had the #1 pick at QB and better overall talent.

If ND really was better they would've beat them when they played last year and I don't care that it was a close game.

YOU are a Fuckn Troll!Period.

 

[aubeirish]

Cut our turnovers from last night in half, and then, we would all be talking about how great we are. The difference between winning and loosing at this level is really really really slim. This team can still win out. It won't be easy. It never was going to be. Nothing has change on that front. Yet, it could still happen. On to Navy.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

They played well enough but made critical mistakes... It's deflating because this team is so talented in comparison to the last 20 years of ND football but they still just can't win big games..... So the end result still hasn't improved,... Snake bit with injuries, bad coaching, poor play, whatever you put it on, the end result hasn't gotten much better... Idk what it's going to take to finally get over the hump but there always seems to be something holding the program back...

Simple. Be like all other football factories. Also having JV transfers helps your depth immensely.


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[irishfan]

--OL once again disappoints in a big game. This is becoming routine. We have a pretty solid OL, nothing more. It's time to stop acting like HH is some sort of demi-god.

--We were the better team, straight up. Outgained them by 141 yards, just went -3 in turnovers. Sucks.

That's all I really have. Didn't love the play calling, but didn't hate it either. Can't really spot a team 14 points and go -3 in turnovers and expect to win. Makes me think Clemson is nothing more than just pretty good for them only win by 2. Still think 11-1 can get us in the playoffs, but we need USC and Stanford to ball out the rest of the year. Clemson....I duno we either need them to finish 10-2 or go 13-0...Some fluke like Temple and Navy getting to 10 wins would be great cause the rest of our schedule is pretty weak.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I've read some of this thread, but after last night wanted to really stay away for a few days. But of course, I'm here.
Anyway. I don't get everyone's gripe about the run blocking. Obviously the run game was sub-par. But they stacked the box all night, played 1 on 1 outside, and dared us to throw. With that many in the box, and crashing the line, I'm impressed we didn't get blown up in the backfield even more than we did. The problem I saw with it was not calling more passing plays early. Everyone knew they were going to play that style D and we played in to their hand. I know the weather was shit, but a few quick crossing patters or slants would've helped some.
Kizer either doesn't read defenses or has decided pre snap where he's going with the ball and stares it down. The only time he doesn't, is when he rolls out to pass.
If you don't have a team you think can impose it's will on the opponent, be it the conditions or superior athelets or whatever factor, at least take what they'll give you until you can work in what you want to do. We did neither. We did exactly what they were prepared for and defending and it was embarrassing.

 

[phork]

Can we all relax just a little bit here? When push came to shove we came back and should have won this game. You have a 2nd game starter in Kizer. On the road. In one of the toughest places to play. In a torrential down pour.

We'll be fine. I fully believe that we'll end up in the playoff when this thing is all done, or very close to it. Either way a NY6 bowl victory sounds good to me.