Bye Bye Ty

[Irishwino7]

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[Denny]

Nice Ty, quit before you get fired!

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

At least with him quitting, no one will be able to cry racism. I was curious why they still have to buy him out when he is quitting. I wish I could get that lawyer to write contracts for me! Even if I screw up horribly and quit to spare myself the pain of getting fired, my employer still has to pay me a buyout? Niiiiice!

 

[SoCalDomer]

wait wait wait guys, don't give Ty credit so quickly.

1) He's not "stepping down" until the end of the season.
2) It was not his choice; meaning he is being fired, effective at the end of the season.
3) He says he doesn't believe in resigning; but what he really means is he doesn't resign because then you forfeit anything left on your contract. He's receiving a $1mil buyout.
4) He's staying on b/c he believes he did everything to help this team be in a position to win. What he doesn't realize is to do that, one must recruit.
5) By staying on, he is killing the recruiting class of 2009. They have something like 3 or 4 commits at this point. The new coach will have zero time to do any further recruiting..
6) UW are a bunch of politically correct pansies for not firing him now. He will continue to drag down the program by recruiting less than he already does. What can he sell recruits? "Come play for me?" He's fired! He won't be back. "Come play for some other guy who hasn't been named yet?"

I so badly want ND fans to be able to put him behind us so we don't have to talk about it anymore. And I think with this past game, we can all do that.

But as long as this guy continues to pull the same lazy, selfish, self-righteous crap that he always has (and likely always will), I will continue to criticize him. This guy is an arrogant ass, I hope he never gets another head coaching job at any level.

 

[irishlaw77]

I agree SoCal that this is such a weak move by UW. Hiding behind the stance of desiring "continuity", they are dooming their program to an abysmal recruiting year instead of just a terrible one. Yeah, continuity is so critical when you're 0-7. They'd better hope there are a lot of recruits living around golf resorts in Arizona, because that's where W is going to be spending most of his time (and UW's and ND's money).

 

[phork]

I would have preferred a couple more touchdowns. Regardless I hope the college football world, and not us, can get passed this Racial issue that everyone made it out to be. Clearly he is a wrecker of programs.

 

[SteveM]

Misplaced Hate

Misplaced Hate

I don't understand the hatin' on Ty thing with this forum. He came to ND, was a decent guy, was over-matched, got fired, withdrew decently, went to UW and was a decent guy.

Uh, I just can't find the Hitlerian undertones to justify the bile.

SteveM

 

[03euroSVT]

I don't understand the hatin' on Ty thing with this forum. He came to ND, was a decent guy, was over-matched, got fired, withdrew decently, went to UW and was a decent guy.

Uh, I just can't find the Hitlerian undertones to justify the bile.

SteveM

Nobody is denying he was a decent guy. He just stinks as a recruiter and doesn't seem to be able to coach on Saturdays. He definitely cleans up a program that is having off the field issues (UW) and makes sure kids do well in academics.

 

[jonesman]

CLOSURE!!! It is all that needs to be said. Well, actually I must ask this question of the ND hating media. Were we premature in firing Ty after 3 years??? I think not, 5 would have been an SMU level death sentence. UW will spend years digging out of this hole.

 

[SoCalDomer]

I don't understand the hatin' on Ty thing with this forum. He came to ND, was a decent guy, was over-matched, got fired, withdrew decently, went to UW and was a decent guy.

Uh, I just can't find the Hitlerian undertones to justify the bile.

SteveM

It's a number of things, but for me there are two main reasons: 1) he is one of the worst coaches in college football, and yet he doesn't see it and puts the blame on everyone/everything else for his failure. 2) the "racist" claims he made when he left ND.

Ask yourself this, if coach Willingham is so interested in promoting minority coaches, then why has he not had a minority offensive or defensive coordinator at Washington? ND has had two minority coordinators since Willingham left. Coordinator positions are the stepping stones to a head coaching job. For all the flack CFB gets for not hiring "enough" minority coaches (interesting, no one seems to complain that the majority of athletes are minorities, but i digress) interesting that a minority coach isn't interested in promoting fellow minorities (in reality, it should always be based on the quality of the coach and not the the color of one's skin, but since the critics of CFB openly promote affirmative action, why is the sauce good for the goose but not the gander?)

I'm convinced UW's failure to fire him now is the fear he created by claiming ND was racist in firing him before.

Read the stories about his recent firing at UW. He doesn't claim racism with them, but he acts like he doesn't understand why they're firing him. He says he put UW in a place where they could win. He says he wants to keep the "continuity", even though the current trend is losing. So what he means is it's better for him to keep his job and keep losing, prevent the new coach from coming in and work on recruiting, than for him to swallow his pride, face reality and resign. He is the worst recruiter I have ever seen. He has done more damage to UW than the prior two coaches, and unless the next coach recruits exclusively from the JUCOs the next two years, I suspect UW will not turn around for at least 3-4 years (by turn around I mean get to .500).

As the head of the College Football Coaches Association (i think that's it), his biggest accomplishment is passing a rule prohibiting head coaches from visiting recruits prior to a certain point. Now who do you think he was really looking out for there?

Other problems is his Stalinst player-media policy, his refusal to reach out to alumni (at ND or UW), and his constant shifting of the blame to someone other than himself.

Perhaps much of the venom directed towards him is likely due to the media's undying support for him and constant bad mouthing of ND for firing him, even though all the facts support his early termination (you don't wait for CEOs to take a company to complete bankruptcy before firing them.)

Now, I view him only slightly less palatable than other coaches we rail against here; Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Pete Caroll, and many more. But the only reason people ask why ND fans dislike him so much is because of the history.

If it wasn't for the self-righteous, selfish, arrogant way he is acting right now, I wouldn't have even commented on his firing. After this last weekend, I didn't plan on talking about him anymore; to me the issue is finally resolved. But at the same time, if it involves college football (a topic that interests me), my discussing it is more a by-product of interest in the sport than a burning desire in my heart to bad-mouth him

 

[SteveM]

Overloaded on Invective

Overloaded on Invective

It's a number of things, but for me there are two main reasons: 1) he is one of the worst coaches in college football, and yet he doesn't see it and puts the blame on everyone/everything else for his failure. 2) the "racist" claims he made when he left ND.

Ask yourself this, if coach Willingham is so interested in promoting minority coaches, then why has he not had a minority offensive or defensive coordinator at Washington? ND has had two minority coordinators since Willingham left. Coordinator positions are the stepping stones to a head coaching job. For all the flack CFB gets for not hiring "enough" minority coaches (interesting, no one seems to complain that the majority of athletes are minorities, but i digress) interesting that a minority coach isn't interested in promoting fellow minorities (in reality, it should always be based on the quality of the coach and not the the color of one's skin, but since the critics of CFB openly promote affirmative action, why is the sauce good for the goose but not the gander?)

I'm convinced UW's failure to fire him now is the fear he created by claiming ND was racist in firing him before.

Read the stories about his recent firing at UW. He doesn't claim racism with them, but he acts like he doesn't understand why they're firing him. He says he put UW in a place where they could win. He says he wants to keep the "continuity", even though the current trend is losing. So what he means is it's better for him to keep his job and keep losing, prevent the new coach from coming in and work on recruiting, than for him to swallow his pride, face reality and resign. He is the worst recruiter I have ever seen. He has done more damage to UW than the prior two coaches, and unless the next coach recruits exclusively from the JUCOs the next two years, I suspect UW will not turn around for at least 3-4 years (by turn around I mean get to .500).

As the head of the College Football Coaches Association (i think that's it), his biggest accomplishment is passing a rule prohibiting head coaches from visiting recruits prior to a certain point. Now who do you think he was really looking out for there?

Other problems is his Stalinst player-media policy, his refusal to reach out to alumni (at ND or UW), and his constant shifting of the blame to someone other than himself.

Perhaps much of the venom directed towards him is likely due to the media's undying support for him and constant bad mouthing of ND for firing him, even though all the facts support his early termination (you don't wait for CEOs to take a company to complete bankruptcy before firing them.)

Now, I view him only slightly less palatable than other coaches we rail against here; Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Pete Caroll, and many more. But the only reason people ask why ND fans dislike him so much is because of the history.

If it wasn't for the self-righteous, selfish, arrogant way he is acting right now, I wouldn't have even commented on his firing. After this last weekend, I didn't plan on talking about him anymore; to me the issue is finally resolved. But at the same time, if it involves college football (a topic that interests me), my discussing it is more a by-product of interest in the sport than a burning desire in my heart to bad mouth him

SoCal,

Let me run out and get a fire extinguisher.

Pardon me for pointing out the universality of the human condition. I.e., Every coach thinks he can coach!

Once you understand that first principle, almost all of your accusations against Ty fall out from that. Ty is/was acting like the proud, accomplished man that all head coaches are.

Is Ty a perfect person? A great coach? Well no. Is he the miserable mass of protoplasm that you make him out to be? No, he's not that either.

Listen, I live in DC. And I got a sea of repulsive political reptiles right outside my doorway that bear writing splenetic tomes about. Ty ain't one of them.

SteveM

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

wait wait wait guys, don't give Ty credit so quickly.

1) He's not "stepping down" until the end of the season.
2) It was not his choice; meaning he is being fired, effective at the end of the season.
3) He says he doesn't believe in resigning; but what he really means is he doesn't resign because then you forfeit anything left on your contract. He's receiving a $1mil buyout.
4) He's staying on b/c he believes he did everything to help this team be in a position to win. What he doesn't realize is to do that, one must recruit.
5) By staying on, he is killing the recruiting class of 2009. They have something like 3 or 4 commits at this point. The new coach will have zero time to do any further recruiting..
6) UW are a bunch of politically correct pansies for not firing him now. He will continue to drag down the program by recruiting less than he already does. What can he sell recruits? "Come play for me?" He's fired! He won't be back. "Come play for some other guy who hasn't been named yet?"

I so badly want ND fans to be able to put him behind us so we don't have to talk about it anymore. And I think with this past game, we can all do that.

But as long as this guy continues to pull the same lazy, selfish, self-righteous crap that he always has (and likely always will), I will continue to criticize him. This guy is an arrogant ass, I hope he never gets another head coaching job at any level.

A bit harsh. LOL.

Based on what I have read, he was hired to clean up the program. He is not the hypocrite, the system is.

But that is life. Sometimes.

At least he "went for it" and failed, versus someone like, well, me - who reads about it and posts anonymously on a forum.



Maybe he should continue as a head coach at the top tier academic DI schools, like the ones you listed a few days ago - Duke, Navy, etc...

Who cares. ND kicked their freegin A's.

 

[irishmarine]

im glad he got fired b/c hes friends with mark may and i hate that man. simple man here

 

[BeatSC]

To beat Tye one week and then beat Mark MAy's Pitt the next should almost shut him up. Lou will make him eat his words and we will be in the top 25 and relevant. Eat sh-t Mark May!

 

[irish4ever]

Justice served .... that worthless ass!

 

[SoCalDomer]

SoCal,

Let me run out and get a fire extinguisher.

Pardon me for pointing out the universality of the human condition. I.e., Every coach thinks he can coach!

Once you understand that first principle, almost all of your accusations against Ty fall out from that. Ty is/was acting like the proud, accomplished man that all head coaches are.

Is Ty a perfect person? A great coach? Well no. Is he the miserable mass of protoplasm that you make him out to be? No, he's not that either.

Listen, I live in DC. And I got a sea of repulsive political reptiles right outside my doorway that bear writing splenetic tomes about. Ty ain't one of them.

SteveM

I can appreciate that every coach thinks he can coach. But compare and contrast other coaches (I would use Weis, but then non-ND people would cry foul) with the way Tyrone acts in regard to his results. Does Tyrone ever take personal responsibility for his teams lack of production? No. Does he ever take personal responsibility for not getting "blue-chip" recruits to his school? No. Are there other coaches like him? Absolutely. I tried explaining (perhaps not adequately) that my dislike of Tyrone is essentially equal to other coaches we at this forum recognize have serious character flaws, lie to recruits, throw their players under the bus to avoid taking blame, etc.

So, I don't know where you read into it that I think he is a "miserable mass of protoplasm" as my comments focus entirely on his attitudes and actions as a head coach. I'm not comparing him to politicians, infamous dictators, mass murderers and the like. I'm simply saying he is one of the worst college football coaches not only because of his abilities (or lack thereof) but also because of his attitudes.

 

[SoCalDomer]

A bit harsh. LOL.

Based on what I have read, he was hired to clean up the program. He is not the hypocrite, the system is.

Are you seriously saying The University of Washington hired him simply to keep the players clean and out of trouble off the field? Do you really think any football program at any level hires any coach for that reason alone? No. They hire them to win. They hire them to get results. I imagine if Tyrone had even shown glimpses of improvement and was a little over .500 in each of his seasons they would not be firing him. Yes, I agree a coach that can help off the field issues was one thing they were looking for in the new coach (prior to hiring Ty that is). But that's not the reason they hired Ty. Whoever they hired, the UofW would have expected that of any coach.

I agree with you there is much hypocritical about the system of college football and I've shared exactly what I think those issues are many times. Graduation rates, numerous arrests within certain programs, coaches saying publicly they're sticking with one team only to bolt one year into their contract, lying to recruits, the list goes on. Yet those who win are lauded as heroes and those who lose yet play by the rules get nothing. But there is a growing number of coaches who play by the rules, do all the off-the-field stuff Ty does, and actually win.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Are you seriously saying The University of Washington hired him simply to keep the players clean and out of trouble off the field? Do you really think any football program at any level hires any coach for that reason alone? ...

Um, I think what I "said" was "Based on what I have read, he was hired to clean up the program."

You can read about the UDub chaos-pre-Willingham if you like. Propaganda.

You kinda filled in your own blanks after that.

Quit projecting.

It hurts my feelings.

 

[mick2]

Willingham is a fraud, and he left the door open for the whole "racist ND" arguments when he could have shut that door by saying it wasn't about the color of his skin but rather the performance of the product on the field. or if he actually did believe ND was racist he could have manned up and said something about it, instead he just played the "woe is me" card and sat back while jackass reporters made absolutely false accusations of racism.

He is Arrogant, and he is an Ass, i don't think he believes any of the shit he actually says, and i don't believe that he thinks he can coach, how could he? If he is smart he will take his money and disappear from coaching, and no AD in there right mind will hire him, but odds are he won't and odds are they will.