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I think, of the big 2, they got one right and one disgracefully wrong. There's no way I'm saying which is which, though I hold that those truths are self-evident...

I'm pleasantly surprised, to tell the truth. This "lame-duck" session has been more productive than the entire year leading up to it-- even if one doesn't agree with the results, at least there are results to not agree with.
 

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What was the second thing? I know about don't ask don't tell since I'm working with a bunch of marine officers on a logistics contract atm.
 

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What was the second thing? I know about don't ask don't tell since I'm working with a bunch of marine officers on a logistics contract atm.

The second was the DREAM act, I'm a conservative and I supported this bill. Fell short by 5 votes.
 

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Don't ask don't tell was repealed today, the Dream act was not passed.

The DREAM act requires a child who was brought here illegally to have lived in the country since at least 2001 and complete at least 2 years of college or military service with no criminal record to be granted citizenship. Their parents could also apply if they return to their home country for 10 years and apply for a Visa to return, but citizenship is not guaranteed. That bill is too lenient for some.

What is really sad is that the GOP refused to vote for anything until Dems promised to continue tax cuts for the riches 2% in the country which will add at least $400 billion to the deficit and lower unemployment from anywhere between 0.0-0.2%

Those bills included denying medical care to 9/11 1st responders and extending unemployment benefits.

But on the positive side, Gays no longer have to hide who they are to serve the country they love

Gotta love congress.
 

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Don't ask don't tell was repealed today, the Dream act was not passed.

The DREAM act requires a child who was brought here illegally to have lived in the country since at least 2001 and complete at least 2 years of college or military service with no criminal record to be granted citizenship. Their parents could also apply if they return to their home country for 10 years and apply for a Visa to return, but citizenship is not guaranteed. That bill is too lenient for some.

What is really sad is that the GOP refused to vote for anything until Dems promised to continue tax cuts for the riches 2% in the country which will add at least $400 billion to the deficit and lower unemployment from anywhere between 0.0-0.2%

Those bills included denying medical care to 9/11 1st responders and extending unemployment benefits.

But on the positive side, Gays no longer have to hide who they are to serve the country they love

Gotta love congress.

The biggest sack of balls about the whole thing was that they actually had enough votes to pass the DREAM act...but Senate protocol (nowhere in the Constitution, for all you Constitution types) requires they get 60 votes in a vote whether to vote or not. Hmmm, I know if I vote yes to voting it will pass... wonder if I'm going to try to block that vote from happening?

And yes... anybody who was pretending that the GOP is anything but a party run by and for the exclusive benefit of the mega-rich has to see past that by now. They held the entire legislative agenda hostage over one issue: tax-cuts for those earning over 250,000! "But what about small business owners" people will say? The vast majority of small business owners making over 250K a year are either lawyers or hedge fund managers. Deerfield Academy and Groton can rejoice, their donor base won't be getting a 3% increase in their taxes. And then the Dems do finally fold on the tax cut thing and what happens? There goes the GOP blockade. Gays in the military? Sure, no problems here. Extend unemployment? Who cares about deficits now that we got our tax break!
 
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The biggest sack of balls about the whole thing was that they actually had enough votes to pass the DREAM act...but Senate protocol (nowhere in the Constitution, for all you Constitution types) requires they get 60 votes in a vote whether to vote or not. Hmmm, I know if I vote yes to voting it will pass... wonder if I'm going to try to block that vote from happening?

And yes... anybody who was pretending that the GOP is anything but a party run by and for the exclusive benefit of the mega-rich has to see past that by now. They held the entire legislative agenda hostage over one issue: tax-cuts for those earning over 250,000! "But what about small business owners" people will say? The vast majority of small business owners making over 250K a year are either lawyers or hedge fund managers. Deerfield Academy and Groton can rejoice, their donor base won't be getting a 3% increase in their taxes. And then the Dems do finally fold on the tax cut thing and what happens? There goes the GOP blockade. Gays in the military? Sure, no problems here. Extend unemployment? Who cares about deficits now that we got our tax break!

Statements like this really give insight into ones intelligence.
 
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I sure am glad Obama froze salaries for the next two years. Great idea.

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Who would need that kind of money anyways?

*sniff, sniff

Wow.
 
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OH **** IT'S POLITICS TIME!!!!!!!

For what it's worth, as someone who works for a government contractor, the government wastes so much ****ing money I think we'd be better off drastically cutting spending across the board and reducing taxes for everyone. There are so many superfluous organizations and people with their hands in the money pot it would shock most people who haven't seen government contracting first hand.

Also, $250k for a family should not be considered "wealthy." At least not where I live. You can barely afford a house making that much if you've got children.

Lastly, extending unemployment benefits is the worst idea I've ever heard and a total waste of money. Jobs are out there, people just have over-inflated perceptions of self-worth and aren't willing to accept pay cuts in most cases. Cut unemployment benefits and you'll start seeing some real job growth.
 
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OH **** IT'S POLITICS TIME!!!!!!!

For what it's worth, as someone who works for a government contractor, the government wastes so much ****ing money I think we'd be better off drastically cutting spending across the board and reducing taxes for everyone. There are so many superfluous organizations and people with their hands in the money pot it would shock most people who haven't seen government contracting first hand. I don't mind because it pays my bills... but the first project I worked on out of school (Secure Border Initiative in Arizona) I watched Boeing rob the government blind on a daily basis. I'm talking charging $500 for a $2 weld and other things that would befuddle the common taxpayer.

Also, $250k for a family should not be considered "wealthy." At least not where I live. You can barely afford a house making that much if you've got children.

Lastly, extending unemployment benefits is the worst idea I've ever heard and a total waste of money. Jobs are out there, people just have over-inflated perceptions of self-worth and aren't willing to accept pay cuts in most cases. Cut unemployment benefits and you'll start seeing some real job growth.

Me too. Oh yeah. You too. Wake up America.
 

IrishinSyria

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Statements like this really give insight into ones intelligence.

I can only assume that you were complimenting my powers of inductive reasoning there.

However, it would be dumb of me to start a political fight in a football forum. Therefore, I should clarify that when I say the GOP I mean it's current leadership structure. I find there are things to admire in the conservative world view, and I understand that a lot of conservatives are principled people who have put a lot of thought into political and economic questions. However, it appears to me that the GOP was willing to trade most of their "principles" (see: deficit reduction) in order to get those top-tier tax cuts extended. IF there's an alternative explanation, then I would be interested in hearing it. PM would be acceptable if you don't want to keep this on a public forum.
 
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America is a corporatocracy. (Corporatocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Period. Dems and Conservatives are in bed with each other and the devil. If Obama extending "stimulus" monies (different colors, who hasn't heard that?) to corporations doesn't ring a bell, then what will?

Corporations are synonymously conservative due to tax cuts and breaks. Dems are supposed to cater middle class, not create and push socialistic classes designed to defeat the Amercian, ingenuitive spirit by breeding out of our genes the need to pursue liberty. It takes more than a child tax credit to persuade me.

First clue, people, 2nd Amendment:

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Second clue, 10th Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Unfortunately, instead, others allow government to sway by business. Thomas Jefferson writes: "Half a loaf is better than no bread. If we cannot secure all our rights, let us secure what we can."

Is that good enough?
 
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IrishinSyria

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OH **** IT'S POLITICS TIME!!!!!!!

For what it's worth, as someone who works for a government contractor, the government wastes so much ****ing money I think we'd be better off drastically cutting spending across the board and reducing taxes for everyone. There are so many superfluous organizations and people with their hands in the money pot it would shock most people who haven't seen government contracting first hand. I don't mind because it pays my bills... but the first project I worked on out of school (Secure Border Initiative in Arizona) I watched Boeing rob the government blind on a daily basis. I'm talking charging $500 for a $2 weld and other things that would befuddle the common taxpayer.

Boeing robs the government because we need it. The "military-industrial complex" is not fashionable to say, because it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but there's a lot of truth to it.

Two reasons.

One: the DoD and their top contractors (Boeing, Lockheed, etc...) have gained enormous political clout by spreading themselves out across the country. They use jobs as the ultimate leverage to get votes their way in congress (especially the house.) It was sickening to watch the city of Chicago bend over backwards to get Boeing to move their headquarters here.

Two: Military technology has gotten so complicated that it's impossible to acquire when needed. In WW2 when we were attacked by the Japanese, no problem. We drafted a couple hundred thousand soldiers, turned every manufacturing plant into a weapons maker and saved the world. These days, a car factory (if it still existed in the US), could never produce an F-35 or a nuclear aircraft carrier or any of those new goodies. We need to keep the companies who know how to make that stuff alive any way we can, because we might need them someday. This means turning a blind eye while they rob us, which is what you saw.

Also, $250k for a family should not be considered "wealthy." At least not where I live. You can barely afford a house making that much if you've got children.

First off, 250K is a misleading line. The tax cuts were only scheduled to expire for people making over 250k. Since it's a progressive tax system, people making 250k would still have gotten their entire cut extended... you would have had to have been making 500K to see your taxes rise by 4% on half of your income.

Second, 250K might not feel rich in your neighborhood, but it's a huge salary if you go by the national average. It's very tough to sympathize with people living in Winnetka or Greenwich or Manhattan when they pull the 250k is practically poor where I live card. If it's not considered very much... congratulations... you live in a very very nice neighborhood. Consider moving to Evanston or Old Saybrook or Brooklyn if you can't pay your bills.


Lastly, extending unemployment benefits is the worst idea I've ever heard and a total waste of money. Jobs are out there, people just have over-inflated perceptions of self-worth and aren't willing to accept pay cuts in most cases. Cut unemployment benefits and you'll start seeing some real job growth.

This just speaks to my point of GOP vs conservatives. If you believe this, fine, the point makes sense. Is it a good one? Not when the Army stopped accepting infantry enlistments for a period of a few months during the middle of two wars, but the idea makes sense. How long did the GOP stand up for this idea? Right until the point they got their tax breaks.
 
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People are still hung up with the "Them" versus "Us" stigma. Stop the media's intention. Wake up. Read. Seek to understand. Educate yourselves. Otherwise your an azz puppet...

America's monies are headed overseas. We are expensive and overbearing. Our resources are needed, but our spirits are un-necessary. It's tough to breed and medicate what brought our forefathers here.

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(wake [a nation that cannot find a common ground, a common God, and a common monetary figure cannot sustain common success.] up America)
 
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Ignore politics and do what can to be the best person in your everyday life regardless of what some jackoff on the TV or Radio tells you.
 
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Sorry for hijacking this thread. God Bless.

Go Irish!!!

Beat the 'Canes!
 

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EDIT: On second thought, I should not be airing dirty laundry on the interwebs. I will leave it at Government contracting is necessary... but Government CON-tracting is a different story.
 
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OH **** IT'S POLITICS TIME!!!!!!!

For what it's worth, as someone who works for a government contractor, the government wastes so much ****ing money I think we'd be better off drastically cutting spending across the board and reducing taxes for everyone. There are so many superfluous organizations and people with their hands in the money pot it would shock most people who haven't seen government contracting first hand. I don't mind because it pays my bills... but the first project I worked on out of school (Secure Border Initiative in Arizona) I watched Boeing rob the government blind on a daily basis. I'm talking charging $500 for a $2 weld and other things that would befuddle the common taxpayer.

Also, $250k for a family should not be considered "wealthy." At least not where I live. You can barely afford a house making that much if you've got children.

Lastly, extending unemployment benefits is the worst idea I've ever heard and a total waste of money. Jobs are out there, people just have over-inflated perceptions of self-worth and aren't willing to accept pay cuts in most cases. Cut unemployment benefits and you'll start seeing some real job growth.

Yes yes. No one wants to stand up and lead. Everyone just points the finger.
 

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Awesome!!! People still discussing party ideology when clearly there is really no difference between them. Suckers...
 
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