2014 Injury Thread

[koonja]

Might as well just list the roster.

Redfield - Broken Ribs
Jay Hayes - High Ankle sprain
Jarron Jones - Broken foot?
Cody Riggs - Broken foot
Austin Colinsworth - Separated shoulder
Drue Tranquill - Torn ACL
Nick Baratti - Separated shoulder
Greer Martini - Quad
Joe Schmidt - Broken Leg
Sheldon Day - Sprained knee
Tyler Luatua - something
Daniel Cage - knee but better now
Tony Springman - Torn ACL
Matsuka - Something


I'm missing a lot. Mod feel free to add to my list or just post below.

How has our defense been so dismantled while our offense has been relatively perfect?

And what's to account for all of the injuries? Bad luck?

 

[NDRock]

I think the injuries on D can be attributed to them having to tackle running backs during the game. They don't get any experience in that when practicing against our offense.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i'll be very interested to see how many we get to have full go during spring practice.

 

[Grahambo]

Luatua was a concussion. Trumbetti I believe also missed a game earlier in the year for concussion-like symptoms.

Golson had a bad shoulder after getting driven into the ground.

Bryant had a knee or foot problem.

You could also add the suspended players too. My personal belief is that on defense, the guys were asked to much to think which lead to being tentative which in turn can lead to injuries.

 

[Irishbounty28]

There is no explanation. With the amount of breaks that have happened this year, a lot of it has to do with bad luck I believe. Also, when playing young guys the biggest thing I believe is conditioning and structural strength. That is one thing I do not think is considered that often but some of these players have never played at this size or strength.

More strength and speed coupled with bad techniques because of youth means hitting people the wrong way a lot harder.

Like I said before though there are a number of skeletal injuries which has me leaning more towards bad luck than anything else. I think you would be hard pressed to find many other teams with as many broken bones as we have. There may be other teams with as many muscular or ligament injuries that could be attributed to overuse or stress, whereas most of these seem to be contact oriented.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

2014 Injury Thread

Matuska also got hurt yesterday.

You can add Springman (career ending injury) and Grace (most likely career ending injury) to that list. Councell also to the list.

Jeez this is just crazy. No team in the country could overcome that list plus the suspensions.


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[Irishbounty28]

So does this mean with the 4 out to start the season we were down 20 or more players at one point or another this season? Most on defense.

 

[NCDomer]

Same thing happened to UF a year ago. Decimated by injuries. No excuses for UF this year, which led to Muschamp leaving. The injuries happened early in the year for UF. That really puts player development behind as the players gain far less in practice (or nothing at all if seriously injured) than they do in games. At least ND players mostly made it through half the year.

Unfortunately, we probably lost some recruiting battles with how pitiful the on-field product looked. I think the injuries even had a lot to do with that, including player psyche.

 

[Irish Insanity]

How has our defense been so dismantled while our offense has been relatively perfect?

And what's to account for all of the injuries? Bad luck?

Because the D is on the field most of the game while the O sits and watches.

 

[JadeBrecks]

How has our defense been so dismantled while our offense has been relatively perfect?

Because the D is on the field most of the game while the O sits and watches.

This is a bit blunt but I have a belief that this has allot to do with it. The longer you are on the field the more likely you will get hurt. Mix this with a bit of bad luck and you have us.

I really wish the yahoos crying for Kelly's job would slip through this thread. I have to say if you look at what our defense has done this year with who they had it wasn't terrible. You have true freshmen covering seniors yes bad things will happen. Take away the straight up points given by the offense and the terrible field position given too and this defense has played well enough to win games with a decent offense.

 

[EifertPower]

I don't think those calling for Kelly to be fired are citing the horrendous defense this year. It has more to do with his awful play-calling and clock management to an offense that was virtually 100% healthy all season along with the regression of QB play throughout the season. Kelly has to be accountable for that. The closest we've come to a QB understanding Kelly over the past 5 years was Tommy Rees and that was largely because he would just immediately through the ball away at least once every 3 plays whenever pressured in the slightest. Golson yesterday had the same lost look on his face that Kelly caused Crist and Hendrix to have and one in which Zaire eventually will have. Kelly doesn't adjust his system to the QB's strengths and unfortunately doesn't recruit QBs that fit his system. Golson is not a pocket passer. He's best when rolled out of the pocket and allowed to improvise and run.

Kelly should not be fired. He should be welcomed back next year but what happens if next year we wind up with the injuries coming on offense and then we use that as our excuse?

 

[Irish Insanity]

This is a bit blunt but I have a belief that this has allot to do with it. The longer you are on the field the more likely you will get hurt. Mix this with a bit of bad luck and you have us.

I really wish the yahoos crying for Kelly's job would slip through this thread. I have to say if you look at what our defense has done this year with who they had it wasn't terrible. You have true freshmen covering seniors yes bad things will happen. Take away the straight up points given by the offense and the terrible field position given too and this defense has played well enough to win games with a decent offense.

I don't agree with calling for Kelly's job. But I want a stand alone OC. Running the ball wouldn't helped immensely with keeping our D on the sidelines longer. It probably would've helped our QB out too.

 

[JadeBrecks]

I don't think those calling for Kelly to be fired are citing the horrendous defense this year. It has more to do with his awful play-calling and clock management to an offense that was virtually 100% healthy all season along with the regression of QB play throughout the season. Kelly has to be accountable for that. The closest we've come to a QB understanding Kelly over the past 5 years was Tommy Rees and that was largely because he would just immediately through the ball away at least once every 3 plays whenever pressured in the slightest. Golson yesterday had the same lost look on his face that Kelly caused Crist and Hendrix to have and one in which Zaire eventually will have. Kelly doesn't adjust his system to the QB's strengths and unfortunately doesn't recruit QBs that fit his system. Golson is not a pocket passer. He's best when rolled out of the pocket and allowed to improvise and run.

Kelly should not be fired. He should be welcomed back next year but what happens if next year we wind up with the injuries coming on offense and then we use that as our excuse?

The only reason people are calling for his job is because we are losing. If everything played out the same but we one the talk would almost be eliminated (still here just not the topic of 20 threads). As far as the injuries if we get decimated on offense like we did on defense this year then yes I will give him some slack. You can pick any team if you remove one whole side of the team you will lose I don't care if you are Meyer, Kelly, or Saban.

 

[autry_denson]

the real anomaly was how healthy the team was during the first 5/6 games of the season. when the suspensions hit this team became dangerously thin and inexperienced, especially on the lines. the lack of injuries over the first part of the season helped them overcome this lack of experience and depth. the rash of injuries in the remainder of the season was more severe than in most years, but not too anomalous. my sense is that the injuries just exposed the lack of depth and experience - again, this was most notable on the lines. if you go into a season without experience and depth on the lines, you're vulnerable. this lesson also means that we still have pretty good reason to be very optimistic about next year, despite the fiasco that unfolded in the 2nd half of this year.

 

[EifertPower]

I'm worried that 1 or 2 injuries next year and we'd be in the same place again.

Assuming everyone returns we'd have Farley, Shumate, and Redfield at safeties which might be good enough perhaps. But if any of those three then get injured we're dangerously thin and probably would easily get exposed. I guess I'm forgetting about Tranquil here but you get my point. That's not even to mention if a player here or there in this group transfers.

Same at cornerback...if healthy i like the Luke and Russell combination but what after that? Do we have any depth behind them? It's unrealistic to expect them both to stay healthy all year. I'm not sold on Devin Butler improving and being the "next man in". He could, it's possible, but we cannot assume that he already hasn't reached his ceiling as a player.

 

[EifertPower]

Of these injuries, how many even have a chance to play in the bowl?

Day? Cage? Riggs? Hayes? Martini?

Is that it?

 

[irishdiehard]

Matsuka had a brachial plexus injury according to BK.

These 7 are expected back for the bowl game:
Redfield - Broken Ribs
Jay Hayes - High Ankle sprain
Cody Riggs - Broken foot
Greer Martini - Quad
Sheldon Day - Sprained knee
Daniel Cage - knee but better now
Matsuka - brachial plexus injury

 

[koonja]

Matsuka had a brachial plexus injury according to BK.

These 7 are expected back for the bowl game:
Redfield - Broken Ribs
Jay Hayes - High Ankle sprain
Cody Riggs - Broken foot
Greer Martini - Quad
Sheldon Day - Sprained knee
Daniel Cage - knee but better now
Matsuka - brachial plexus injury

The only bone I ever broke was a rib (extreme tubing - BA). IDK how Redfield could be back. It's not an injury that bothers you on most day-day stuff, but getting hit there? I'd cower like a school girl, and I'm tough as nails. I'd be personally surprised to see him play, that's an injury that you feel when you make a variety of movements.

 

[dublinirish]

The only bone I ever broke was a rib (extreme tubing - BA). IDK how Redfield could be back. It's not an injury that bothers you on most day-day stuff, but getting hit there? I'd cower like a school girl, and I'm tough as nails. I'd be personally surprised to see him play, that's an injury that you feel when you make a variety of movements.

Brian Westbrook played in the NFL playoffs with multiple broken ribs. With a broken rib you can barely breath without pain nevermind play football and get hit repeatedly :S

 

[NDRock]

The only bone I ever broke was a rib (extreme tubing - BA). IDK how Redfield could be back. It's not an injury that bothers you on most day-day stuff, but getting hit there? I'd cower like a school girl, and I'm tough as nails. I'd be personally surprised to see him play, that's an injury that you feel when you make a variety of movements.

What is extreme tubing?

 

[koonja]

What is extreme tubing?

Not an official thing. Basically being drunk and being pulled behind a boat on a tube at pretty high speeds and getting some air.

 

[dublinirish]

Not an official thing. Basically being drunk and being pulled behind a boat on a tube at pretty high speeds and getting some air.

Have been there and faceplanted multiple times, water can be such a cruel mistress :/

 

[aubeirish]

The only bone I ever broke was a rib (extreme tubing - BA). IDK how Redfield could be back. It's not an injury that bothers you on most day-day stuff, but getting hit there? I'd cower like a school girl, and I'm tough as nails. I'd be personally surprised to see him play, that's an injury that you feel when you make a variety of movements.

He probably won't play, but I've seen guys play entire hockey playoffs with broken ribs. It can be done is all I'm saying, but there sure is a lot of pain involve.

 

[NDRock]

Not an official thing. Basically being drunk and being pulled behind a boat on a tube at pretty high speeds and getting some air.

Here, we just call that tubing.

 

[koonja]

Brian Westbrook played in the NFL playoffs with multiple broken ribs. With a broken rib you can barely breath without pain nevermind play football and get hit repeatedly :S

Here, we just call that tubing.

If you're trying to say there's a difference in 'toughness' between me and Brian Westbrook, you're wrong.

Lol. I add the 'extreme' to make it sound more BA.

 

[Irish Insanity]

The only bone I ever broke was a rib (extreme tubing - BA). IDK how Redfield could be back. It's not an injury that bothers you on most day-day stuff, but getting hit there? I'd cower like a school girl, and I'm tough as nails. I'd be personally surprised to see him play, that's an injury that you feel when you make a variety of movements.

I thought you got ribs removed?

 

[IRISH in MT]

I don't know how a rib that was so severely broken they were worried about puncturing organs could heal that quickly. I had cracked ribs and it hurt to breathe. Twist or jerk to quickly and sharp pain. Coughing killed. Can't imagine running full speed and throwing myself at someone. They hurt!

 

[TheChosen1]

@NDatRivals: A source tells Irish Illustrated that Christian Lombard will miss the Music City Bowl with a career-ending back injury (bulging disc).

Update the list.

 

[irishtrain]

I think the injuries on D can be attributed to them having to tackle running backs during the game. They don't get any experience in that when practicing against our offense.

My take on the injuries-players with just good enough talent playing balls out, hard, total sell out football, will be injured before players who are talented enough to play under control. Teo/Smith are examples of (talent) hardly ever getting injured because they didn't have to play on the edge to get the job done. The d line injuries and Schmitt are either because of the position or just bad luck. Mind you I'm not saying Teo/Smith type guys play soft-I'm saying they can play hard but with control to minimize the chance of getting hooked up. In baseball its the difference between a pitcher redlining every pitch vs a guy getting outs operating at comfortable controlled aggression of his pitches. Ever wonder why an sec team doesn't show same amount of injuries is that minor league pro players learned a long time back how to play very very hard but in a controlled manner to protect themselves. There is a fine line between talent and will that enables injuries. Also just plain crappy luck or keeping Navy's roll blocks off your shins.