'09 TN RB Wesley Tate

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Screw RB and WR and just offer him as a athlete. we need these amazing athletes to keep coming to ND. hell maybe the kid can play safety or corner.

Agreed! If he's as good of "athlete" as Golden is, he'll find his way onto the field somewhere by the time he's a Soph. or Junior. Especially if he has a PASSION to play for the Irish ... that's just as important!
 

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According to rivals, he has offers from Air Force, Georgia Tech, Stanford, Vandy, Ark. St, Miami OH, Middle Tenn, Navy and Western kentucky. Why not throw our hat in the ring?
 

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The kicker jokes would be a lot funnier if our kicking game was better. Hard to blame Weis for having this many scholarships designated to the special teams right now.
 

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The kicker jokes would be a lot funnier if our kicking game was better. Hard to blame Weis for having this many scholarships designated to the special teams right now.

walker did right the ship this year
 

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According to rivals, he has offers from Air Force, Georgia Tech, Stanford, Vandy, Ark. St, Miami OH, Middle Tenn, Navy and Western kentucky. Why not throw our hat in the ring?

Because you can't just offer a kid because other small schools like him (that's not exactly a muderer's row of schools up there) and he runs fast. He's a 2* recruit for some reason. How bad would it look if we offered him 'just to throw our hat in the ring', and then when he accepts we have to say 'no' to make room for a much higher profile recruit we all want? I mean, his brother is a star at our school, and if we pull the offer, how bushleague would we look? That looks really bad. I wouldn't offer the kid unless the staff really likes him. And obviously, they are not too high on him (yet), and neither are Tenn, Ohio St, Texas, USC, Alabama, etc.

The coaching at ND has been awful for the last 2 years (minus a few games here and there), and the development of athletes is still in question. But I trust the staff when it comes to recruiting. They've brought some great hauls in, and if they're not high on young man Tate, then I'll defer to them...
 

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At the very least Wesley can make an impact on special teams.

Bruton is gone and Anello will be a 5th year guy. Someone with speed/heart will need to take over those positons. I'd bet Wesley would be perfect for something like that. The coverage units need more speed, and athleticism anyhow. Guys like this are how you do that.

And who knows. Maybe he overachieves and gets into the HB rotation? Maybe his presence convinces Charlie to move Hughes to FB? You can't really have too many good athletes.
 

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The coaching at ND has been awful for the last 2 years (minus a few games here and there), and the development of athletes is still in question. But I trust the staff when it comes to recruiting. They've brought some great hauls in, and if they're not high on young man Tate, then I'll defer to them...

My thoughts exactly.
 

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Save the Schollys for who? I think we are pretty much done this year, maybe a surprise here and there.
 

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At the very least Wesley can make an impact on special teams.

Bruton is gone and Anello will be a 5th year guy. Someone with speed/heart will need to take over those positons. I'd bet Wesley would be perfect for something like that. The coverage units need more speed, and athleticism anyhow. Guys like this are how you do that.

And who knows. Maybe he overachieves and gets into the HB rotation? Maybe his presence convinces Charlie to move Hughes to FB? You can't really have too many good athletes.

Don't think you want to offer a guy to be the gunner on special teams. Hell, next thing we know you'll be recommending we offer a long snapper. :)
 

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I agree you do not offer a gunner on special teams but wait isn't that all Anello does and he has a scholarship....
 

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I agree you do not offer a gunner on special teams but wait isn't that all Anello does and he has a scholarship....

Anello was a walk on. He earned his scholarship with his desire and heart and by making big plays. If Tate wants to walk on and earn a scholarship with his play on the field then perfect.

I still have a hard time believing anyone that says that anyone on this board would be interested, (or would even know who he is) if his brother wasn't Golden Tate and his brother isn't a playmaker.

Yes speed is important but so is being able to play football. Otherwise why not just give out scholarships to everyone at the Olympic Trials and hope one of them learns how to play football, learns how to catch, and learns how to make tackles.
 

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I'm not advocating giving a scholorship to just anybodies brother. However Wesley IS a legitimate Division 1 prospect. He has offers from at least 8 D1 schools. With the flip-flopping that Pollard is doing right now. Why not just go ahead and offer Scolly 19 to Tate? Then if Pollard does indeed Decommit. You esentially have a faster replacement for him. Just a thought anyway.
 
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Because you can't just offer a kid because other small schools like him (that's not exactly a muderer's row of schools up there) and he runs fast. He's a 2* recruit for some reason. How bad would it look if we offered him 'just to throw our hat in the ring', and then when he accepts we have to say 'no' to make room for a much higher profile recruit we all want? I mean, his brother is a star at our school, and if we pull the offer, how bushleague would we look? That looks really bad. I wouldn't offer the kid unless the staff really likes him. And obviously, they are not too high on him (yet), and neither are Tenn, Ohio St, Texas, USC, Alabama, etc.

The coaching at ND has been awful for the last 2 years (minus a few games here and there), and the development of athletes is still in question. But I trust the staff when it comes to recruiting. They've brought some great hauls in, and if they're not high on young man Tate, then I'll defer to them...

So we should wait for other schools to try and swoop up the talent before we make a offer all of a sudden it makes sense! how highly recruited was golden before we offered not very
 

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So we should wait for other schools to try and swoop up the talent before we make a offer all of a sudden it makes sense! how highly recruited was golden before we offered not very

One really big difference. "Getting in one someone early" is good recruiting practices but there is one big difference. "Getting in early" does not occur a month before signing day. Ohio State will not offer him because they are full. The big schools have decided to pass.

Also, ND still has enough clout that "getting in early" is a bonus. Recruits are still excited to receive and offer from ND.

I'm just not sure why there is such a fuss over him when there is no fuss over other player's who run fast and have offers from such powers as Western Kentucky. You don't get better if you recruit against Western Kentucky
 

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So we should wait for other schools to try and swoop up the talent before we make a offer all of a sudden it makes sense! how highly recruited was golden before we offered not very

Ark St., Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Miami oh Ohio, Vanderbilt, etc. So let's go after a kid because his brother is great, he runs fast, and we could use a special teams player and HOPE that he becomes good. And because he has offers to from powerhouses like the ones above. Is this what Notre Dame has become? Seriously? We should go after 2 star recruits now, even though no one else (who competes for BCS games) wants him? So we just hope we get lucky?

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Yes, recruiting can be a crapshoot, but there is a science to it. There's a reason that Ohio St, USC, Florida, Texas and Oklahoma are good year in and year out, and it's not because they take chances on 2 star recruits who will play special teams in the HOPE that they become every down players. That's a receipe for failure. I want ND to be on the level of those teams, and with our recruiting hauls the past few years (plus some damn coaching), I hope we are on our way. Giving away schollies based on hope is not the way to go IMO...
 
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Ark St., Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Miami oh Ohio, Vanderbilt, etc. So let's go after a kid because his brother is great, he runs fast, and we could use a special teams player and HOPE that he becomes good. And because he has offers to from powerhouses like the ones above. Is this what Notre Dame has become? Seriously? We should go after 2 star recruits now, even though no one else (who competes for BCS games) wants him? So we just hope we get lucky?

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Yes, recruiting can be a crapshoot, but there is a science to it. There's a reason that Ohio St, USC, Florida, Texas and Oklahoma are good year in and year out, and it's not because they take chances on 2 star recruits who will play special teams in the HOPE that they become every down players. That's a receipe for failure. I want ND to be on the level of those teams, and with our recruiting hauls the past few years (plus some damn coaching), I hope we are on our way. Giving away schollies based on hope is not the way to go IMO...

I have seen Wesley play for 4 years now, and I can guarantee you he is A LOT better than a 2 star!! The rating system is not always accurate. In 2007 Duval Kamara was the 34th best player in the nation and #6 best WR in the nation according to rivals. Golden was not in the top 100 overall. Seems like Golden is having a MUCH better college career so far.
 
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I have seen Wesley play for 4 years now, and I can guarantee you he is A LOT better than a 2 star!! The rating system is not always accurate. In 2007 Duval Kamara was the 34th best player in the nation and #6 best WR in the nation according to rivals. Golden was not in the top 100 overall. Seems like Golden is having a MUCH better college career so far.

Both Tate and Kamara were 4 stars. Simply because Kamara hasn't been all world as a Soph you think he is a bust? How many freshman records did he set? Man people need to be patient.

Recruiting sure must be slow if this is the only discussion going on. Whether to give a 40k scholarship to the brother of a player who runs fast and has an offer from Western Kentucky.

We are full at running back- would you take him over Riddick or Wood?

Corner back over Pollard? Moore?

Receiver over Evans?

Not in the same class. Nothing against the young man but I trust the evaluators more than ANYONE on this board. Including myself.
 
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Both Tate and Kamara were 4 stars. Simply because Kamara hasn't been all world as a Soph you think he is a bust? How many freshman records did he set? Man people need to be patient.

Recruiting sure must be slow if this is the only discussion going on. Whether to give a 40k scholarship to the brother of a player who runs fast and has an offer from Western Kentucky.

We are full at running back- would you take him over Riddick or Wood?

Corner back over Pollard? Moore?

Receiver over Evans?

Not in the same class. Nothing against the young man but I trust the evaluators more than ANYONE on this board. Including myself.

I never said Kamara was a bust. Congrats on setting Freshman records by the way
 

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So let's go after a kid because his brother is great, he runs fast, and we could use a special teams player and HOPE that he becomes good.

We went after Clausen didn't we? You can never have enough speed, ask Oklahoma about that.
 

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We went after Clausen didn't we? You can never have enough speed, ask Oklahoma about that.

He was also the number 1 rater prospect and was better than his brothers. The entire nation wanted him, not Western Kentucky. I can't believe you guys are fighting so hard for this.

Are you related? Family Friends? Have a vested interest?
 

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I don't care either way, but the kid is fast, his brother has talent. If you can spare the room, why not?
 

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He was also the number 1 rater prospect and was better than his brothers. The entire nation wanted him, not Western Kentucky. I can't believe you guys are fighting so hard for this.

Are you related? Family Friends? Have a vested interest?

He was kidding. Not even Phork is that stupid. Hey Phorky, why not go after that fast dude from Jamaica, the guy that won all them medals. He's fast right?

Sypnotico, I'm with you. I guess there are talent evaluators here that we didn't know were regulars. As I have said all along, I'll defer to the pros...
 
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Ark St., Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Miami oh Ohio, Vanderbilt, etc. So let's go after a kid because his brother is great, he runs fast, and we could use a special teams player and HOPE that he becomes good. And because he has offers to from powerhouses like the ones above. Is this what Notre Dame has become? Seriously? We should go after 2 star recruits now, even though no one else (who competes for BCS games) wants him? So we just hope we get lucky?

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Yes, recruiting can be a crapshoot, but there is a science to it. There's a reason that Ohio St, USC, Florida, Texas and Oklahoma are good year in and year out, and it's not because they take chances on 2 star recruits who will play special teams in the HOPE that they become every down players. That's a receipe for failure. I want ND to be on the level of those teams, and with our recruiting hauls the past few years (plus some damn coaching), I hope we are on our way. Giving away schollies based on hope is not the way to go IMO...

Okay golden wasn't highly recruited buy Ohio State, Florida, Texas or any of those schools the reason they are good is because they rarley have to recruit out of state one of the main reasons Urban Meyer went to Florida and not ND to Coach but you know long snappers and kickers are more important even though some of the best kickers in ND history were walk-ons but what do I know maybe Lou Holtz didn't know anything about recruiting players he just wanted the ones with the heart to go with the talent!
 
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He was kidding. Not even Phork is that stupid. Hey Phorky, why not go after that fast dude from Jamaica, the guy that won all them medals. He's fast right?

Sypnotico, I'm with you. I guess there are talent evaluators here that we didn't know were regulars. As I have said all along, I'll defer to the pros...

I guess you have seen the game film and the stats on this kid too right. I doubt it but I have done my homework on him and his is better than the two stars next to his name putting up 235 yards and 4 touchdowns on 31 carries is pretty damn good at any level he has hands but like his brother was he is will be a raw talent out of high school
 
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He was also the number 1 rater prospect and was better than his brothers. The entire nation wanted him, not Western Kentucky. I can't believe you guys are fighting so hard for this.

Are you related? Family Friends? Have a vested interest?

No but I know Talent when I see it or read about it maybe you should do your homework be for you run your suck!

Saturday, 08/25/07

Tate's big night overshadowed by Bobcat offense
Greenbrier downs JPII 35-28

By Cecil Joyce
The News Examiner

HENDERSONVILLE – Wesley Tate was great, but Greenbrier’s offensive line proved that whoever had the ball last got the last laugh.

The Bobcats executed a 14-play, eight-minute drive and scored the go-ahead touchdown with just 15 seconds left to take a 35-28 victory over Pope John Paul II here Friday night.


“They had a tremendous size advantage on us,” said JPII Head Coach Jeff Brothers, whose squad won last year’s game 28-14. “They really grinded it out on us on that last drive. We may have been a little worn down at that point.”

The loss offset a big night for Pope John Paul II tailback Tate, who rushed for 171 yards and four touchdowns. He had a 68-yard TD run and a 71-yard TD punt return called back by penalty.

“He’s better than last year,” said Greenbrier Head Coach Kirk Williams of the Knights’ standout, who is the younger brother of former JPII star and current Notre Dame player Golden Tate. “He’s a little stronger and a little faster. He’s a very good running back.”

However, Greenbrier countered with 320 rushing yards out of primarily four players, led by Michael Seay (six carries, 135 yards), Zack Ziegler (16-104) and fullback Ryan Dickerson (12-41), who scored the go-ahead touchdown on a 1-yard dive on third down.

Dickerson scored three of the team’s five touchdowns.

“We tried to move the ball around to different running backs,” said Williams. “Seay had a great game, but it was a great team effort. Both teams played hard, especially considering the heat. It was a great football game.”

After Dickerson scored on a 3-yard run for a 7-0 Greenbrier lead, Tate and the Knights needed just one play to tie things as the junior rambled 63 yard to pay dirt.

Seay rambled 79 yards for a touchdown on Greenbrier’s next series. That was followed by a 68-yard TD scamper by Tate to even things at 14 late in the first quarter.

“Wesley was outstanding,” said Brothers. “He’s certainly the type of player that we can lean on. We had two penalties behind the play that deflated us a little bit when he made big plays. You can call it young mistakes or first-game mistakes. But, Wesley played a fantastic game.”

Seay was equal to Tate’s task.

“We had great blocking all night,” said Seay. “It’s good we had the ball at the end. We scored at just the right time. Tate’s a real great player.”

A six-yard scoring run by Dickerson put Greenbrier up 21-14 and a one-yard scoring run by Ziegler made it 28-14.

JPII bounced right back and scored on a Tate touchdown run from the 1, making it 28-21 at halftime.

Tate’s five-yard scoring run evened the score at 28 late in the third quarter.

However, after forcing the Knights to punt with more than eight minutes left, Greenbrier went on the long drive, netting five first downs en route to the game-winning score.

Pope John Paul II quarterback Stephen Catignani was just 2-of-9 through the air. He did run for all of his 48 yards in the second half, picking up some big first downs along the way.

“He put the ball in receivers’ hands,” said Brothers. “We were wondering how long it would take our young team to gel, and hopefully it won’t be long. We’ll have to come back and play well next week.”

Greenbrier quarterback Justin Grogan was 5-of-11 for 82 yards.
 
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