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Ugh, I didn't want to get involved, but I find it nuts that it's 2023 and there are still folks out there who genuinely believe homosexuality is a sin...

OMG I'll never be able to unsee it.

Pretty sure it'll still be an ACC title at that point, which the ND game won't actually matter.

Ugh, they just had to ruin it with Golic Jr

tHaTs OfFeNsIvE tO tHe aLt-GeNdER cOmMuNiTiEs

Yeah, but none of that rhymes with pounce.

Ok, I'll root for ND to win 49-10, you can root for a Hartman TO that leads to an easy NCSt score and 42-17 final.

I am serious. You want ND to fail bEcUaSE aDvErSiTY. But again, Hartman is 24. He doesn't require that at this stage of his career. So again, why do you want to see him throw an INT that leads to ND trailing in a road game against a non-walkover ACC opponent? I mean other than you being...

You stated what you wanted to see. Now explain how that's better than ND offense coming out hot and performing that was the whole game. Hartman has led them to what? 11 TDs in 1st 12 series. Why do you want to see that end? I'll wait...

And I'm asking you to explain how it's preferable. Seems to me you're simply an agent of chaos. I believe message board have another term for that...

Errrkay. Question stands - how is something not ideal preferable? If the goal is to play well, why would you want anything but? Make zero sense. Hartman isn't a greenhorn, he doesn't need adversity to grow. He's grown.

Almost as quick as he was to bounce.

How on Earth is this preferable to ND coming out of the gates fast and strong and keeping their foot on NC State's throat the whole game? Weird wish if you ask me...

2022 version of Brennan Armstrong can throw as many passes he wants against this secondary of ours. I'd prefer it.

Doesn't appear so.

Hey, man - you do you lol I just don't think this is the one to worry about. Not with Hartman, the grizzled ACC vet.

I just don't see how ND doesn't comfortably cover. Remember when their NFL Dline was going wreak havoc on us in 2017?

Can we at least make sure he's actually a winner first? I still have Weis PTSD.

He would be an absolute fool not to.

No no no, last week. You're correct, nothing this week.