MeanGreenBeans
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Love Faison and hate that you're right.
Michael Fredrick Denbrock Hired as Offensive Coordinator (2023)
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Dale
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Shock - the play above everyone now hates - is literally how Daniels won the Heisman at LSU. It’s been a Denbrock staple for years.
The issue is who is running it. Greathouse is average and can execute it but for a 20 yard gain at times but he’s rarely gonna catch it in stride or at an elite clip. At LSU, Nabers and company were getting separation and piling up big plays. The most likely person they can give that LSU offense is Graham and Burress. Someone who bursts through the route and also can yank it out of the air as a back shoulder throw. Apparently Graham cannot as we’ve seen it a few times. Burress, let’s try it.
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Tommy Rees on the phone to Denbrock after the game:
"Get your ass in the booth and do your F@#$%&G job!"
"Get your ass in the booth and do your F@#$%&G job!"
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I understand he won with LSU and Daniel’s but he has to know that we need to be more creative.
Freeman has to see that as well.
Freeman has to see that as well.
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Also had just better receivers. Thomas and Nabers>Gilbert and Faison (Included Gilbert here because Thomas was their boundary)
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This is contributed to our limited route tree by WRs due to play calling. Where are the crossers, screens, or play action? We have mastered the hitch and back shoulder/slot fades. We need to scheme WRs into space to give them a chance for some YAC but instead we keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
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I tried my hand at charting the actual play calls. This is TV copy so it’s probably not all correct/complete:
Stick - completion to Faison hitch
WR screen - completion to Faison screen
Bench - completion to Larsen out
Stick w/ backside Post - incompletion to Faison
Double Slants + Spot - completion to Faison spot
Four Verts - incompletion to Gilbert
Trips had a double post with a zig route - completion to Gilbert to alarm back shoulder vertical
Flood - completion to Faison comeback
RPO TE Flat - completion to Flanigan flat
WR screen, Double Slants - batted down incompletion to Gilbert inner slant
Four Verts - incompletion to Flanigan
Shock - completion to Greathouse slot fade
Shallow Cross - incompletion to Gilbert in.
Four Verts - completion to Greathouse stop
Verticals, TE out - completion to Larsen
Y Cross - incompletion to Faison backside dig.
Triple Slants - completion to Williams outer slant
Shock - PI targeting Gilbert slot fade
Switch Verts - incompletion to Larsen slot fade
Shock - incompletion to Larsen slot fade
Double Slants - completion to Gilbert outer slant
Four Verts - Completion to Greathouse stop
Spot - battle down incompletion to Greathouse
Four Verts - Incompletion to Greathouse on deep cross
Stick + Double Slants - Completion to James outer slant
RPO Hitch - completion to Greathouse hitch
Mesh Rail - incompletion to Greathouse alarm vertical
Hitches - incompletion to Gilbert hitch
Slants - completion to James solo
RPO TE Flat - scramble by Carr
Switch Verts + Double Post - incompletion to Flanigan slot fade
Sticks + backside Post - incompletion to Greathouse post
Shock - Scramble by Carr
Flood - incompletion to Faison backside dig
Four Verts - completion to Greathouse scramble drill
Bench - completion to Greathouse out
RB swing screen - completion to James
Stick - completion to Larsen hitch
Spot + Double Slants - thrown away
Shallow Cross - incompletion to Faison scramble drill
Double Slants + Hitches - completion to Greathouse hitch
Stick with backside Post - incompletion to Faison post
Stick - incompletion to Gilbert backside dig
Four Verts - completion to Greathouse
Four Verts - incompletion to Faison
All Hitch - completion to Faison hitch
Double Posts + Spot - completion to Faison scramble drill
All Hitch - incompletion to Faison - Could not see but Herbstreit called it a slant and go
Bench + Double Post - completion to Larsen out
Switch Verts - incompletion to Graham
Mesh - completion to Gilbert drag
Smash - incompletion to Greathouse
Stick - completion to Faison hitch
WR screen - completion to Faison screen
Bench - completion to Larsen out
Stick w/ backside Post - incompletion to Faison
Double Slants + Spot - completion to Faison spot
Four Verts - incompletion to Gilbert
Trips had a double post with a zig route - completion to Gilbert to alarm back shoulder vertical
Flood - completion to Faison comeback
RPO TE Flat - completion to Flanigan flat
WR screen, Double Slants - batted down incompletion to Gilbert inner slant
Four Verts - incompletion to Flanigan
Shock - completion to Greathouse slot fade
Shallow Cross - incompletion to Gilbert in.
Four Verts - completion to Greathouse stop
Verticals, TE out - completion to Larsen
Y Cross - incompletion to Faison backside dig.
Triple Slants - completion to Williams outer slant
Shock - PI targeting Gilbert slot fade
Switch Verts - incompletion to Larsen slot fade
Shock - incompletion to Larsen slot fade
Double Slants - completion to Gilbert outer slant
Four Verts - Completion to Greathouse stop
Spot - battle down incompletion to Greathouse
Four Verts - Incompletion to Greathouse on deep cross
Stick + Double Slants - Completion to James outer slant
RPO Hitch - completion to Greathouse hitch
Mesh Rail - incompletion to Greathouse alarm vertical
Hitches - incompletion to Gilbert hitch
Slants - completion to James solo
RPO TE Flat - scramble by Carr
Switch Verts + Double Post - incompletion to Flanigan slot fade
Sticks + backside Post - incompletion to Greathouse post
Shock - Scramble by Carr
Flood - incompletion to Faison backside dig
Four Verts - completion to Greathouse scramble drill
Bench - completion to Greathouse out
RB swing screen - completion to James
Stick - completion to Larsen hitch
Spot + Double Slants - thrown away
Shallow Cross - incompletion to Faison scramble drill
Double Slants + Hitches - completion to Greathouse hitch
Stick with backside Post - incompletion to Faison post
Stick - incompletion to Gilbert backside dig
Four Verts - completion to Greathouse
Four Verts - incompletion to Faison
All Hitch - completion to Faison hitch
Double Posts + Spot - completion to Faison scramble drill
All Hitch - incompletion to Faison - Could not see but Herbstreit called it a slant and go
Bench + Double Post - completion to Larsen out
Switch Verts - incompletion to Graham
Mesh - completion to Gilbert drag
Smash - incompletion to Greathouse
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I can tell you made this by yourself
Good stuff. I didn't go to this level but in my re watch i noticed carr identifying where he wants to go pre snap whether it's open or not post snap. As you mention, he had a lot more time than he took with a clean pocket to go through reads. I love that he can identify the right spot to go pre snap, but a lot of times it's not even close to being open post snap. To sum up, we have a lot of open receivers/tes/rbs if he would go through his reads rather than predetermining where he's going.
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My observations from the above
- 2x2 or Empty usually half the play is double slants/posts and half is a quick game variation. They completed a lot of these but did not complete a single slant/post to the inside receiver. He only threw the inside slant once and it was batted down. He did not connect on a backside/inside dig/post once all day, and these have typically been money. Glasker and Satuala really really neutralized this - they could teach our D - but Carr was just off too.
- In Trips or Empty they run a ton of Stick, Spacing or Four Verts w/ option routes. In short just get open based off leverage. Besides one drop Greathouse really balled on this. I could see how much option route stuff they do in this section being what keeps the young guys off the field. But there is plenty of other plays to be had out there.
- By my count they ran some variation of a slot fade 7 times. Only once was it completed, one PI and it was an incompletion in the red zone 5 times. The one completion was not in the red zone.
- They ran 5 or so crossing type concepts and only the Gilbert 4th down conversion was completed.
- 2x2 or Empty usually half the play is double slants/posts and half is a quick game variation. They completed a lot of these but did not complete a single slant/post to the inside receiver. He only threw the inside slant once and it was batted down. He did not connect on a backside/inside dig/post once all day, and these have typically been money. Glasker and Satuala really really neutralized this - they could teach our D - but Carr was just off too.
- In Trips or Empty they run a ton of Stick, Spacing or Four Verts w/ option routes. In short just get open based off leverage. Besides one drop Greathouse really balled on this. I could see how much option route stuff they do in this section being what keeps the young guys off the field. But there is plenty of other plays to be had out there.
- By my count they ran some variation of a slot fade 7 times. Only once was it completed, one PI and it was an incompletion in the red zone 5 times. The one completion was not in the red zone.
- They ran 5 or so crossing type concepts and only the Gilbert 4th down conversion was completed.
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Dale - Did we hit anyone on the run in stride (not falling down) where they could continue running and make something happen after the catch? I don't think so. I remember our two biggest gains, first play to faison was a hitch where he made someone miss and tip toed the line, and the greathouse big gain was CJ extending the play and hitting greathouse uncovered (but still not on the run).
Just crazy to me with CJ's accuracy, throwing it 49 times, we're not able to hit players on the run. This to me goes back to CJ locking in on the first read pre snap vs trusting the line and his reads to let the plays develop. Yeah, you probably risk maybe getting sacked, but we are terrible at explosives and need them vs good teams. Our pass pro (outside of final 2 minute drive) was too good to not hit big plays in the pass game.
Just crazy to me with CJ's accuracy, throwing it 49 times, we're not able to hit players on the run. This to me goes back to CJ locking in on the first read pre snap vs trusting the line and his reads to let the plays develop. Yeah, you probably risk maybe getting sacked, but we are terrible at explosives and need them vs good teams. Our pass pro (outside of final 2 minute drive) was too good to not hit big plays in the pass game.
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Not with real room to run no. They hit the drag to Gilbert for the final first down as well as the slant to Gilbert before the spike. The other mesh call Carr threw the “alarm” vertical instead. A couple of the deep cross, in routes were left short because it’s the times he did invite pressure so caught or not wasn’t YAC to be had. They covered the seam well and let the cross be the open hole one as well. Faison as mentioned is really the only one who catches the hitch, turns and goes. There were missed big YAC opportunities on inside slants.
You know who has ran after catch on a deep cross and has taken a hitch turned and gone in limited sample? Elijah Burress. Risk the inside routes more - the play calls are there - and play Elijah Burress. Those are my changes based off information on hand.
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is that the route Gilbert typically runs down the sideline?
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Email this to someone on staff please, I have a feeling their IE consumption has dropped recently.