USC's Leinart on Notre Dame

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"You can't win on tradition alone anymore." He was on ESPN's All Night Overnight program this morning. He also basically said that "there are too many programs that offer the same thing and also winning."

Yikes, now players are being vocal.
 

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Svoboda said:
"You can't win on tradition alone anymore." He was on ESPN's All Night Overnight program this morning. He also basically said that "there are too many programs that offer the same thing and also winning."

Yikes, now players are being vocal.

Dam Leinhart for saying that. I'm rooting for Peterson to steal the Heisman away from him. No good news for USC is good news for the Irish.
 

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Who the hell is Matt Leinhart to comment on another program??? He's a friggin player!! At least ask someone who's been around the sport for years already like a coach or columnist. Leinhart's what, 21? 22? Who asks a kid that age about something they couldn't possibly understand all the underlying factors of?
 

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Who the hell is Matt Leinhart to comment on another program??? He's a friggin player!! At least ask someone who's been around the sport for years already like a coach or columnist. Leinhart's what, 21? 22? Who asks a kid that age about something they couldn't possibly understand all the underlying factors of?
While he probably shouldn't have said it, the fact that it is coming from a player, Notre Dame should take notice.

What do you think recruits are saying? I can go to ND, where the coach is unknown, it's cold and they haven't been winning or I can go to [Insert Southern or West Coast] school, it's warm and they are in the Top 25.

It makes sense. That is why this hiring process is critical to get the right guy.
 
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Can't wait until Leinhart gets drilled by some LB out to make his bones on a high vis QB at the next level. Anyway, agree that if a player is saying it, what are the recruits saying or thinking. TIme to "wake up the echos".
 

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Probably why our commited players are dropping or taking visitis this weekend like David Nelson is.
 

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down here in austin, they were talking about it on the local sports radio channel. hes visiting texas a&m. i thought he was a firm verbal too, he was calling up other committments and talking to them and really excited about playing for the irish. damn we could use a tall fast receiver like him too, he sort of reminds me of david boston when he played college ball. ive seen him on film. although im upset leinart has anything to say about the irish, i still think hes a good kid. he has good poise as a starter and i wouldnt mind seeing him do well in the pros.
 

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Someone should tell this jackass that SC had some down years for a while. It all runs in cycles. Miami and OU were down, now they're back. Only a matter of time before Penn State, Nebraska, Florida State comes back.

Like Carson Palmer, this punk is a product of Norm Chow's system. PERIOD. Palmer will not be a Pro Bowl caliber QB and neither will this kid. Put Brady Quinn around that kind of talent and let's see what happens. No Mike Williams? No Whitney Lewis? He still had Jarrett, Bush, two top caliber tight ends and a whole host of other offensive options.

You take Reggie Bush away from USC, they lose this year at least once. Take Peterson away from OU, they lose at least once. Peterson is the Heisman winner, but being a freshman will screw him. If they didn't give it to Herschal Walker, they won't give it to this guy. Leinert will get the hardware, but not the National Title.
 

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Now David Nelson is dropping out. Great.

We'll end up with a freshman class of 4 guys.
 
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Leinhart grew up a big ND fan. But his grades were too low to get into ND. He has an agenda, like others that can't get into ND because of grades.

Dumb Fu*k should study harder.
 

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Leinhart needs to check his history, because before Pete Carroll got to USC they were I worst shape then the Irish. Things can turn around fast. So Matt give it 5 years and USC will be our bitch once again. Hey didn't we beat USC like 17 straight years( or someting like that) years in the 80's and 90's?
 
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jiggafini19 said:
Like Carson Palmer, this punk is a product of Norm Chow's system. PERIOD. Palmer will not be a Pro Bowl caliber QB and neither will this kid. Put Brady Quinn around that kind of talent and let's see what happens. No Mike Williams? No Whitney Lewis? He still had Jarrett, Bush, two top caliber tight ends and a whole host of other offensive options.

Umm...did you see Palmer the last few weeks? I hate the kid too, but he's turning into the truth. And Lienhart should be the man if he goes to the 49ers.

Sure, Leinhart was dumb for what he said, but I hope the administration takes notice. This is how the program is viewed by kids living in the now, not the past.
 
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Umm...did you see Palmer the last few weeks? I hate the kid too, but he's turning into the truth. And Lienhart should be the man if he goes to the 49ers.

Sure, Leinhart was dumb for what he said, but I hope the administration takes notice. This is how the program is viewed by kids living in the now, not the past.

You think Leinhart will go to the 49ers. Tim Rattay looks like he has some potential. I think the niners need a Big time running back or wide receiver.
 
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I like Rattay, and I think that Kevan Barlow is a solid back. But I think good NFL backs are almost a dime-a-dozen. SF could easily pick up a solid guy who's currently riding someone's bench (a guy like Travis Henry). But I think they need to draft recievers & defensive backs. My gf lives out in 'Cali & she worships the 'Niners, and she says that the Niner fans are so high on Lienhart. A homegrown guy, who they feel can run their offense. If he wins the Heisman, they might make a play for him.
 

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Leinhart was too dumb. Our recruiting has suffered tremendously under Davie and Willingham. Furthermore (you just need to look at Julious Jones' recent exploits in the pros) our player development is horrible. If Brady Quinn were playing at U-M (who wanted him badly) he'd be a great QB instead of a good QB. They'd be comparing him to another Brady.

An exerpt from a suntimes article (http://www.suntimes.com/output/couch/cst-spt-greg07.html) that's been out for a few days. Pay particular attention to Lemming's comments on the Irish...

But is it really a sabbatical, or is Notre Dame's prestige gone for good?

Recruiting experts Jeremy Crabtree of Rivals.com and Tom Lemming of ESPN.com believe the school still can restore its big name with high school football players. Neither believes the recruiting of black players will be affected by the race questions raised when the school fired Willingham, the Irish's first black coach, after just three years.

But Crabtree said Rivals sends out thousands of questionnaires to high school players, and 10 years ago even those players who had no chance of reaching the big time would include Notre Dame on their wish lists. Today, he said, he sees the Irish listed less and less.

"Whoever comes in has to do a better job of not just letting Notre Dame's name sell itself,'' Crabtree said. "Kids know about the great tradition of other schools now, too. Willingham and Bob Davie both just let kids find out about Notre Dame on their own, and Notre Dame has had the luxury to do that for a long time because they had the national fan base, the national television exposure.

"But now, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Florida State have most of their games on TV, too. And they're playing great competition every week, too. In recruiting, Notre Dame's not at that level anymore, not the elite upper echelon. Now I would probably put them with, say, Wisconsin and Purdue.''

Lemming said with the right coach, Notre Dame's prestige could be back as soon as next season. Until now, he said, Notre Dame's recruiting problems have been connected mostly to an unimaginative offense and out-of-date facilities, the latter of which Notre Dame is upgrading.

Lemming discarded the usual criticisms that Notre Dame's academic standards are too high and its schedule too tough.

"Davie and Willingham were given a lot of leeway on academics,'' he said. "They've brought in kids with 2.3 and 2.4 [grade-point averages], and they still couldn't get kids to visit. It's a lack of recruiting expertise, really.

"After they ran Lou Holtz out, Notre Dame has arbitrarily raised and lowered academic standards. There has been no consistency. First they changed the standards to get rid of Holtz, then they used them to help Davie out, then to help Willingham out. I keep track of these kids' grades, and Notre Dame's standards are a little above the Big Ten, but not much.''

Lemming said Notre Dame is still the dream job for most coaches, but many of the top names have been tied up with long-term contracts that Notre Dame won't buy out.
 
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I like Rattay, and I think that Kevan Barlow is a solid back. But I think good NFL backs are almost a dime-a-dozen. SF could easily pick up a solid guy who's currently riding someone's bench (a guy like Travis Henry). But I think they need to draft recievers & defensive backs. My gf lives out in 'Cali & she worships the 'Niners, and she says that the Niner fans are so high on Lienhart. A homegrown guy, who they feel can run their offense. If he wins the Heisman, they might make a play for him.

Niners need to go after Lamont Jordan in the offseason. That guy looks like a real good back, problem is he's stuck behind Curtis Martin.
 
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