Blessing in Disguise?

[Irish Envy]

With the reports, although they are from "unnamed sources," maybe it is a blessing in disguise for Notre Dame to not land Urban Meyer. The last coaching search was not exhaustive, and neither (if we landed Meyer) would this one have been.

Since we've already been given a black eye by the media, fans and the like, why not really complete an exhaustive coaching search? Bring in Tedford, bring in Dan Hawkins of Boise State, bring in Norm Chow, bring in Chuck Long, and one of my favorites, Bret Bielema, the D coordinator of Wisconsin.

The last thing we need to do is rush into something and be in the same place come three years from now.

 

[irishtexan]

I guess Meyer is going to take the Florida job, which I dont understand. He loves Notre Dame and said he would like to coach there, but flipped us for the damn Gators. Now I wonder what coach the administration will look at. I bet old Kevin White is pissed!!!!

 

[bliv711]

I have to agree

I have to agree

I have to agree that the potential of losing Urban Meyer might be a blessing in disguise. Also, not mentioned in the previous post is Petrino from Louisville. Although he might not be a good fit personality wise for ND and also the scandal with Auburn. What we need most, in my humble opinion, with the exception of the obvious, is a coach that knows how to recruit. There are many good coaches out there, we just need to be patient so we don't get stuck with another O'Leary incident, and then end up with a subpar coach because we're going in to the most critical recruiting time of the year.

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

I guess you're right. I'll have to take that same approach since we didn't land our #1 guy.

 

[jiggafini19]

Notre Dame's athletic administration is becoming a laughing stock. I'm finding it funny myself, to be quite honest. They can want anyone and everyone, but the guy is going to have to want to come here. They offered Meyer $1 Million and Gruden is getting $4 million right now. Take it from someone that negotiates salaries for a living...that won't happen. I don't care how much you covet a job or love a place, taking a paycut of $3 million? That's after school special material.

Bottom line: they're screwed again. Stoops and Saban will not budge. What a mess.

 

[Guest]

It's not a blessing. he wanted certain number of academic exceptions. Like holtz had ( tony rice,zorich) nd is not willing to allow the exceptions. we can't win a national championship with the talent were bringing in. i'm sorry to say, it's over at ND until they give a coach a few academic exceptions like holtz had. it's over.

 

[dudexcore]

kevin white and the presidents and what have you are a bunch of assholes. now its known to the entire country. what a joke man. as an irish fan i feel disgusted.

 

[Vince Young]

This is a HUGE blessing. We were about to take a flying leap of faith on a guy with a grand total of 4 years of head coaching experience, all in creampuff conferences. Just because the Mountain West Conference can't stop the spread-option doesn't mean it's a brilliant offensive innovation. Most MWC teams can't stop ANY decently-run offense.

But guess what... Urban Meyer now gets to go through his learning curve somewhere else. He's about to play in the SEC, surrounded by teams that are every bit as talented and fast and skilled as his own team. His offensive plan is about to get the ultimate trial-by-fire, and he's going to find a LOT of problems to correct. But while he's correcting those problems, the losses will be on Florida's tally... and not on Notre Dame's. And if he's as good as the hype, he'll be getting it all together right around the time that Notre Dame will be spitting out yet another coach... and THEN Urban Meyer will truly be ready to coach at Notre Dame.

 

[pappy]

It's not a blessing. he wanted certain number of academic exceptions. Like holtz had ( tony rice,zorich) nd is not willing to allow the exceptions. we can't win a national championship with the talent were bringing in. i'm sorry to say, it's over at ND until they give a coach a few academic exceptions like holtz had. it's over.

over? did you say it's over???? nothing is over until we decide it is!!! was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor? HELL NO!!!!!! and it ain't over now. cause when the going gets tough............the tough get going.

sorry, i couldn't resist. while reading this post, and mp3 of that came on, and i had to do it. anyways, i don't think it's over. a fraternity brother of mine and boda's has an interesting theory. God is pissed at catholics, for whatever reason. when God stops being pissed, we will return to glory. i for one think all will be ok. 29 years on this earth, and i still have faith. but on the flip side, i still have the faith that the hoosier basketball team will once again be dominant, but who am i kidding?

 

[irishtexan]

This is a HUGE blessing. We were about to take a flying leap of faith on a guy with a grand total of 4 years of head coaching experience, all in creampuff conferences. Just because the Mountain West Conference can't stop the spread-option doesn't mean it's a brilliant offensive innovation. Most MWC teams can't stop ANY decently-run offense.

But guess what... Urban Meyer now gets to go through his learning curve somewhere else. He's about to play in the SEC, surrounded by teams that are every bit as talented and fast and skilled as his own team. His offensive plan is about to get the ultimate trial-by-fire, and he's going to find a LOT of problems to correct. But while he's correcting those problems, the losses will be on Florida's tally... and not on Notre Dame's. And if he's as good as the hype, he'll be getting it all together right around the time that Notre Dame will be spitting out yet another coach... and THEN Urban Meyer will truly be ready to coach at Notre Dame.

This is what I want to see. I want to see Urbans offense against the Vols and Auburn also. I think he will have a rude awakening when he actually plays against a defense full of blue chip athletes and not sissified walk-ons from some small town in Montana. The option is one of the greatest offenses ever put together. It is one of the easiest to defend, yet the hardest to stop. Urban may be having success with the spread option now, but I want to see it played against the defenses he will be up against. Notre Dame ran the option when Davie was here, I dont know if the fans are ready for it to be back any time soon. I am praying that SATAN (kevin white) and his goons hire someone that will bring us back to the level of excitement that Irish football used to be about.

 

[jiggafini19]

If I ever see the option back at Notre Dame, I'm getting on the Ann Arbor Express. No way, no how. It was bad enough watching Holtz run it with Ron Powlus.

I think it is funny that on Wednesday, we were putting up Urban Meyer statues on campus next to #1 Moses. Now the SEC is going to eat him alive? Look, as a lifelong ND fan, you cannot argue with this decision. Look at it from a professional standpoint. If two companies in my field that are competitors of my current employer came to me to offer me a job and one was offering more money, better weather, superior resources and facilities and a higher probability of success....dream job or not, you go with the better deal. Florida is a better deal. All the way around. ND may be Meyer's dream job, but it is exactly that. A dream. The ND of old is gone.
They are in this situation because they replaced Holtz with Bob Davie. Holtz wanted looser academic requirements and they said no way. Davie had no head coaching experience and rather than going out and getting a stud coach to carry on the momentum of Holtz, they got somebody on the cheap that they could shove around. Brilliant idea. Now here we are, right back where we started from Pre-Holtz, only worse off than ever before. At least after getting their asses kicked by USC and Purdue, our players get degrees.

 

[Vince Young]

I think it is funny that on Wednesday, we were putting up Urban Meyer statues on campus next to #1 Moses. Now the SEC is going to eat him alive?

Speak for yourself. I've been questioning Urban Meyer since the first day I signed up for this forum.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/showthread.php?p=809#post809

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: "urban legends" are almost always false.

 

[Keenan88]

It's a blessing only if the University already has its Plan B. It appears it should have never fired Ty unless preliminary talks with Meyer's agent revealed that the chances of hatching out a deal were somewhere over 90%. Meyer, I think, is still the flavor of the moment. I want someone proven, either in college or in the NFL. ND will benefit from a prolonged search if it finds a proven coach with some NFL background who really does want to come to ND, is not afraid of travelling all over the country to recruit. Meyer took the easier job, but not the most fulfilling one. Quick, other than Spurrier, name a "legendary" Gator football coach. The nation and the national media have not mentioned Ray Graves, Galen Hall or Gary Darnell during Florida's recent "search". Whatever happens, if ND truly wants to win, it will have to make concessions in the form of $ or relaxed recruiting (perhaps good character kids who are talented but don't test well, and show some promise of succeeding academically at ND) to the new head coach. If not, elite high-profile candidates will continue to say no and ND will get stuck with another non-elite tier coach who can't compete with the elite ones for the best recruits. ND can surely do better than a disciple of (recently) Davie and the legendary Ohio State coach, Earle Bruce.

 

[irishtexan]

letter i wrote to that punk, ivan maisel of espn

letter i wrote to that punk, ivan maisel of espn

Well Mr. Maisel, I tell you what, it must feel real
good for you and all your "talented" writing staff at
ESPN to sit and bash Notre Dame all day. It is all
that has been on your network. Your network sits and
plays on the emotions of this situation hoping to ruin
the Irish name in the process. Everything you and all
your pals have said do nothing but discredit Notre
Dame and the school. The truth is Ty Willingham
sucked. He needed to be fired because he could not get
the job done at South Bend, and that is winning. You
and all your sports writing buddies have blamed his
firing on everything from racism to stupidity, but you
have yet to tell the public about his flaws and
inconsistencies. Every year there are 70 to 80 blue
chip athletes that have the grades to get into Notre
Dame, Ty just could not get them to come here because
he was a poor recruiter. There is still loads of
talent on our roster, we are not "finished" like you
say. ESPN has always hated the Irish and this just
proves to us devoted fans that you are always going to
try to bring down the university that built college
football. You and all the other ex-coaching flops and
ex-college football flops like Corso, Herbstreit, and
Trev Alberts can stay on the bashing Notre Dame
bandwagon, but one day soon we will be on top again.
And no one will care what you say, because truthfully
your writing is like Willingham's coaching.



IRISH FAITHFUL UNTIL I DIE

 

[Unbiased College Football]

What a joke

What a joke

Oh, that's right. Once Urban Meyer fixes the Gator program, then he'll go to South Bend. Whatever. Notre Dame is a has been. Much like the ancient Romans, there empire is now gone. They think they can command a top coach but who worth their salt would want to take this job that has unrealistic expectations. At this point, ND should hire one of their own, Gerry Dinardo. He's used to getting fired

This is a HUGE blessing. We were about to take a flying leap of faith on a guy with a grand total of 4 years of head coaching experience, all in creampuff conferences. Just because the Mountain West Conference can't stop the spread-option doesn't mean it's a brilliant offensive innovation. Most MWC teams can't stop ANY decently-run offense.

But guess what... Urban Meyer now gets to go through his learning curve somewhere else. He's about to play in the SEC, surrounded by teams that are every bit as talented and fast and skilled as his own team. His offensive plan is about to get the ultimate trial-by-fire, and he's going to find a LOT of problems to correct. But while he's correcting those problems, the losses will be on Florida's tally... and not on Notre Dame's. And if he's as good as the hype, he'll be getting it all together right around the time that Notre Dame will be spitting out yet another coach... and THEN Urban Meyer will truly be ready to coach at Notre Dame.

 

[Unbiased College Football]

The IRISH ARE DEAD

The IRISH ARE DEAD

Dude, the Irish are DEAD. The only echoes in South Bend are emitting from the bottom of the toilet where the Irish program currently resides. No one of any substance wants to coach their with such unrealistic expectations. Hey, Army was once competing for National Championships and they got over it. Notre Dame will too. However, the good news is that Gerry Dinardo got fired at Indiana so he'd probably take the job if offered

Well Mr. Maisel, I tell you what, it must feel real
good for you and all your "talented" writing staff at
ESPN to sit and bash Notre Dame all day. It is all
that has been on your network. Your network sits and
plays on the emotions of this situation hoping to ruin
the Irish name in the process. Everything you and all
your pals have said do nothing but discredit Notre
Dame and the school. The truth is Ty Willingham
sucked. He needed to be fired because he could not get
the job done at South Bend, and that is winning. You
and all your sports writing buddies have blamed his
firing on everything from racism to stupidity, but you
have yet to tell the public about his flaws and
inconsistencies. Every year there are 70 to 80 blue
chip athletes that have the grades to get into Notre
Dame, Ty just could not get them to come here because
he was a poor recruiter. There is still loads of
talent on our roster, we are not "finished" like you
say. ESPN has always hated the Irish and this just
proves to us devoted fans that you are always going to
try to bring down the university that built college
football. You and all the other ex-coaching flops and
ex-college football flops like Corso, Herbstreit, and
Trev Alberts can stay on the bashing Notre Dame
bandwagon, but one day soon we will be on top again.
And no one will care what you say, because truthfully
your writing is like Willingham's coaching.



IRISH FAITHFUL UNTIL I DIE

 

[Guest]

Dude, the Irish are DEAD. The only echoes in South Bend are emitting from the bottom of the toilet where the Irish program currently resides. No one of any substance wants to coach their with such unrealistic expectations. Hey, Army was once competing for National Championships and they got over it. Notre Dame will too. However, the good news is that Gerry Dinardo got fired at Indiana so he'd probably take the job if offered

Your probably the same idiot that said USC was done when they were bad for 20 years, then they get the right coach in Carroll and look at them now. Your probably the same idiot that saw Oklahoma's 12-21 record before stoops got there, and said they were done.

 

[lucky]

I agree with you Queensny. They want to win, but they are not willing to do what it takes to win! I'm not talking about cheating, but making concessions to academic requirements like everyone else is necessary. I live in the South and have been an Irish fan from conception. Living down here you see what teams like ga., fsu, tenn.,mia.,and fla. do year in and year out. Not accepting JUCO students is a real disadvantage. This coaching change is creepy-like similar to 3 yrs. ago. Fire a guy thinking you can get anybody you want----in reality----no one wants to come beacause you can't win! A new athletic director may help clear things up.

 

[irishtexan]

The Irish Arent Dead

The Irish Arent Dead

the irish are not dead! who started saying this s*** anyway? when usc was down espn said they were done too and now look at them. if you honestly think notre dame is finished you are just another sheep flocking to espn's side. i realize that every notre dame hater is loving this anti-irish crap, but all it takes is one good coach to turn things around, and if you dont beleive that, you need to take a look at all the programs who were doing bad and have been turned around, i.e., boise state, utah, louisville, iowa, usc, oklahoma, and hell, even navy and utep. so dont sit there and say notre dame football is over, the only way that will happen is if the school drops football jackass.

 

[Tyrone Davieham]

Blah, blah, blah

Blah, blah, blah

Who cares!!!!!!!!

Oh no, we didn't land Urban Meyer. That sucks, just when I thought we'd be playing UNLV and New Mexico we don't land the only coach in the country that can slay those dragons. Let's remember who this douche bag used to work for (what a coaching staff he had). Or maybe we could hire some other coach that's had one or two years of "success" at a Bull S--- school in a Bull S--- conference. Anyone taken the domain, www.firekevinwhite.com, or what about www.kevinwhitehiresall.com, or www.5and6?,callkevinwhite.com. You get the point.

ileof:

 

[Keenan88]

The University needs to relax, take a deep breath, take a step back, and not panic. At this point ND must, over the next 7 days, identify its top 2-3 realistic candidates, and then interview them within 10 days. After finding out which of the 2-3 would be leaning toward taking the job, then leak out the guys who are so inclined to lean. Strike a deal, and then make the announcement. My point? ND really needs to present the impression that they are in control over this hiring process, that they know what they are doing, that they are not panicking or miscalculating as they have apparently done in few years with their handling of O'Leary & Willingham and, recently, Meyer. This organized, methodical approach should convince the public, fans and recruits that ND is starting to get back on track. That said, I think the most qualified realistic candidates out there are Jeff Tedford and Tom Clements, though the latter is just in his first year as an NFL offensive coordinator.

 

[Vince Young]

Oh, that's right. Once Urban Meyer fixes the Gator program, then he'll go to South Bend. Whatever. Notre Dame is a has been. Much like the ancient Romans, there empire is now gone.

From the 1954 season the 1963 season, Notre Dame's head coaches Terry Brennan, Joe Kuharich and Hugh Devore combined for a record of 51-48 (.515). After such a 10-year period of mediocrity, people were gloating that the glory days of Notre Dame were gone, that we were never going to attract another great coach to lead our team to victory.

And then we hired Ara Parseghian.

From the 1981 season to the 1985 season, Gerry Faust went 30-26-1 (.535). Again, people were gloating that Notre Dame was history, too academically strict, that it would never find another good coach who was willing to perform under such high pressure with such strict standards.

And then we hired Lou Holtz.

From the 1997 season to the 2004 season, Bob Davie and Ty Willingham combined for a 56-40 (.583) record. After such an 8-year period of mediocrity, people are now saying the exact same things they said right before we hired Ara Parseghian and Lou Holtz.

Good.

"Unbiased College Football," you stupid useless message board troll, thank you for instilling hope in the heart of this discouraged Fightin' Irish fan. I will love to see the look on your face when we finish the 2007 season as National Champions... or maybe even earlier.

 

[irishgo8]

Who cares!!!!!!!!

Oh no, we didn't land Urban Meyer. That sucks, just when I thought we'd be playing UNLV and New Mexico we don't land the only coach in the country that can slay those dragons. Let's remember who this douche bag used to work for (what a coaching staff he had). Or maybe we could hire some other coach that's had one or two years of "success" at a Bull S--- school in a Bull S--- conference. Anyone taken the domain, www.firekevinwhite.com, or what about www.kevinwhitehiresall.com, or www.5and6?,callkevinwhite.com. You get the point.

ileof:

Lol Some1 has taken www.firekevinwhite.com and is editing it right now.

 

[irishtexan]

Jim Fassell?

Jim Fassell?

I read today that jim fassell is interested in the head coaching job. hes been to the super bowl, and he was the stanford quarterbacks coach that recruited and developed john elway. anyone heard anything about this?

 

[Irish Envy]

Lol Some1 has taken www.firekevinwhite.com and is editing it right now.

I don't think that Kevin White is to blame.

Watching the press conference several times, you could see angst and somewhat disgust in his face. He didn't want to fire Ty. This was definitely handed down from above.

 

[DAYSOFGOLD]

I Think The Meyer Deal Going Sour Is The Administrations Fault, But No Use In Crying Over Spilt Milk. I Think Weis Would Be Great For The Job. As For The N.d. Haters, It Wasn't Long Ago That Fsu, Usc, Cal And Okla. Were Blips On The National Scene. We Will Get Back. It Will Take A Great Coach And Some Good Classes. We Will Be Back!

 

[bmf175]

Oh, that's right. Once Urban Meyer fixes the Gator program, then he'll go to South Bend. Whatever. Notre Dame is a has been. Much like the ancient Romans, there empire is now gone. They think they can command a top coach but who worth their salt would want to take this job that has unrealistic expectations. At this point, ND should hire one of their own, Gerry Dinardo. He's used to getting fired

unbiased college football,
Youre an idiot why don't you go cheer for your sorry ass team. Obviously anybody who nows football or life in general knows that everything goes in circles. Notre Dame happens to be at the bottom half of that circle on their way back up to the top.
LOSER!!!!!!!

 

[irishgo8]

unbiased college football,
Youre an idiot why don't you go cheer for your sorry ass team. Obviously anybody who nows football or life in general knows that everything goes in circles. Notre Dame happens to be at the bottom half of that circle on their way back up to the top.
LOSER!!!!!!!

:djparty:

Back to the top. RETURN TO GLORY. Remember those shirts from 3 years ago. How about offering the job to O'Leary again - maybe he has fixed his resume now.

loyal to Notre Dame

 

[jiggafini19]

You would be correct Texan. Fassel would be very interested in the ND head coaching job. I don't know what kind of recruiter he'd be, but he's a former NFL coach that could fit the bill.

Everyone speaks very highly of Clements and he's one of those loyal alums. I'm starting to think more and more that this will be the guy.

 

[Irish Envy]

You would be correct Texan. Fassel would be very interested in the ND head coaching job. I don't know what kind of recruiter he'd be, but he's a former NFL coach that could fit the bill.

Everyone speaks very highly of Clements and he's one of those loyal alums. I'm starting to think more and more that this will be the guy.

Fassel stated he was not interested.