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jason_h537 said:
And coaching stability. We are not as far as people make it seem.
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And start beating GOOD teams. Our last couple years our record has been respectable at best, but we haven't beaten anyone good. USC without Barkely wasn't good, Miami hated snow, didn't have a coach and straight up wasn't that good, and MSU isn't that good either.

Recruits will take us more seriously if we show we can compete at the top, not beat up on academies and a few other average teams while losing to the good teams every year.

Having a tough schedule doesn't mean **** when you lose to the only teams that make your schedule 'tough''.
 
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Brian Kelly has had success everywhere he has went. A few years ago, he lead Cicny to #4, just under Bama, Texas and Florida, and I honestly believe that talent will return to South Bend, but Brian Kelly and the rest of the staff need to give an incentive for major talent to come back to the golden dome. Many have given up, but I always hold hope, and Kelly is the best sign of hope since Lou Holtz. Next season will be tough, but it may be what the Irish need to step it up.
 
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I still say, win or lose....schedule a few good top 10 teams. Mind you, Stanford was a loss, but It wasn't a shutout. I think it might do some good to schedule a game against Arkansas or Georgia....it will for sure make the Irish have to be at the top of their game.

What worries me is after the embarrassment against USC, we may have lost alot of potential recruits, and now they look to try to take them, and Urban Meyer's comeback as Ohio State's HC will make recruiting alot tougher, but still, ND isn't the #2 most winning team for nothing, so now it is time to play and recruit like it again, before Alabama creeps up on us....
 
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I still say, win or lose....schedule a few good top 10 teams. Mind you, Stanford was a loss, but It wasn't a shutout. I think it might do some good to schedule a game against Arkansas or Georgia....it will for sure make the Irish have to be at the top of their game.

What worries me is after the embarrassment against USC, we may have lost alot of potential recruits, and now they look to try to take them, and Urban Meyer's comeback as Ohio State's HC will make recruiting alot tougher, but still, ND isn't the #2 most winning team for nothing, so now it is time to play and recruit like it again, before Alabama creeps up on us....
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We already play USC, Oklahoma, Texas and Miami the year after that. We don't need to make our schedule harder, we just need to start beating good teams.
 
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several of the star players in that game would not have been able come to ND under the current standards.
 
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kuehnja said:
We already play USC, Oklahoma, Texas and Miami the year after that. We don't need to make our schedule harder, we just need to start beating good teams.
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I can't wait for these games! These will be an ultimate test. Oklahoma, ND has only lost to once, but they will still be a tough team next season. USC on the other hand.....this season they sent a message they will be off probation and looking for blood, so the Irish needs to really step it up next season, but I am optimistic.
 
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ND's championship years all had a combination of deep talent, great coaching, and a favorable schedule. Holtz's '88 team played the toughest schedule, that was an exception. Look at the Rockne, Leahy, and Parshegian eras and most years they didn't play a schedule as tough as ND had last year, this year, or next year.

And Rockne, Leahy, Parshegian never had to contend with 85 man scholarship limits(also through most of Holtz's career), 20 hours a week of practice limits, nor ND Academics (1350 SAT Student Body) AND Res Life restrictions of the last 20 years.

In '66, in The Game of the Century against #2 MSU, ND lost the Star RB before the game to a freak injury. Early in that game ND's starting Center and QB went out to injuries. There were other injuries but 4 offensive starters were lost, all AA caliber players. With scrubs at the key positions, the backup QB struggling with diabetic issues, ND battled the #2 team to a tie. The next week ND destroyed #10 Southern Cal 51-0 with those same scrubs to secure the NC. Twelve ND players made somebody's All-America Team that year.

How many upperclassmen AA's can you count on this team?

The fabled coaches at ND didn't have to start freshman when they were eligible to play. Kelly does. Lynch, Nix, Tuitt, Hendrix, etc may become AA's in the future and Kelly may become a legendary coach at ND but it's too early for either the players or the coach.
 
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BGIF said:
ND's championship years all had a combination of deep talent, great coaching, and a favorable schedule. Holtz's '88 team played the toughest schedule, that was an exception. Look at the Rockne, Leahy, and Parshegian eras and most years they didn't play a schedule as tough as ND had last year, this year, or next year.

And Rockne, Leahy, Parshegian never had to contend with 85 man scholarship limits(also through most of Holtz's career), 20 hours a week of practice limits, nor ND Academics (1350 SAT Student Body) AND Res Life restrictions of the last 20 years.

In '66, in The Game of the Century against #2 MSU, ND lost the Star RB before the game to a freak injury. Early in that game ND's starting Center and QB went out to injuries. There were other injuries but 4 offensive starters were lost, all AA caliber players. With scrubs at the key positions, the backup QB struggling with diabetic issues, ND battled the #2 team to a tie. The next week ND destroyed #10 Southern Cal 51-0 with those same scrubs to secure the NC. Twelve ND players made somebody's All-America Team that year.

How many upperclassmen AA's can you count on this team?

The fabled coaches at ND didn't have to start freshman when they were eligible to play. Kelly does. Lynch, Nix, Tuitt, Hendrix, etc may become AA's in the future and Kelly may become a legendary coach at ND but it's too early for either the players or the coach.
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This is why the ND football teams of the 1940's that posters at NDnation somehow were around to see are NEVER COMING BACK. notre dame can become a strong program again, but that kind of one sided dominance is never coming back. just like UCLA in the 50s and 60s, no team is going to string together 3 and 4 national championships anymore, theres just too much parity in college football and sports in general.
 
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Brian Kelly can absolutely get the Irish there. He will though, as everyone does, need a little luck. Notre Dame wasn't very fortunate in that department this year.
 
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