Thought BK went too far yesterday

[GoIrish41]

Apples and oranges. The football field may have a few similarities to the business world, but they are VERY few.

We will have to agree to disagree. I believe the football field has many, many similarities to the business world. In both places, we demand professionalism, insist that everyone is treated with respect, and reward hard work and dedication. There are a ton of similarities. And, it comes down to treating people right. I'd say berating an 18 or 19 year old kid on national television is not treating him right.

 

[GoIrish41]

the people that said Kelly crossed the line how many of you have actually played football?

Just some food for thought

I played football from 8 years old through college. Kelly crossed the line.

 

[GoIrish41]

If they wouldn't keep Fing up he wouldn't have to yell at them.

You remember when Swarbrick came down to the sideline during the Tulsa game last year when Kelley went for it at the end of the game instead of kicking the easy FG for the win? ... no? ... because it didn't happen. Even though at the moment, the coach deserved to get screamed at he wasn't. He made a horrible mistake that cost ND a game to an inferior opponent. Who humiliated Kelly that day? Nobody, because it isn't the right thing to do.

 

[irishff1014]

You remember when Swarbrick came down to the sideline during the Tulsa game last year when Kelley went for it at the end of the game instead of kicking the easy FG for the win? ... no? ... because it didn't happen. Even though at the moment, the coach deserved to get screamed at he wasn't. He made a horrible mistake that cost ND a game to an inferior opponent. Who humiliated Kelly that day? Nobody, because it isn't the right thing to do.

Swarbrick won't say anything to kelly. Because i can almost beat Kelly said if i am the coach this is my team. Its not like they got out played. They F-ed up alot and often.

 

[Zoro]

New Here new to ND next year...

New Here new to ND next year...

Kelly's priority needs to be that he is an effective head coach. Personally, I doubt the enraged, red-faced "You are f-ing kidding me" etc. is effective with many or most of the players.

If the kids can't "handle the heat," then it is far more important that Kelly takes that into account and uses alternative means of motivation and criticism.

My kid is a ND recruit for 2012 - not football. In the recruiting process It was explainded to us very clearly how ND uses sports to improve the image of ND and represent ND.
What we saw on TV last night did no such thing, and I believe - cost's ND much more than winning would gain them (read $$ gifts). We won't be watching for a while. Then, we're just one family.

 

[koonja]

I'm so sick of this. He didn't touch the kid. Kids these days grow up with a sense of entitlement. I wonder what Bob Knight would have done yesterday? Probably take the measurement sticks and beat someone with it. You have a problem with swear words? Well, I hate to break it to you but high school coaches use them too. You have a problem with yelling? What are you, 15? These are division one athletes. There will be 100 incidents like this in college football this year. GET OVER IT.

 

[DillonHall]

Earlier, I posted that I didn't have an opinion on this matter, but I've been convinced that he went too far. I want to echo GoIrish41's comments. How many times has Brian Kelly talked about the importance of his players being 'tough gentleman?' I believe his actions last night clearly contradicted his stated goal. Yelling and cursing out of control does not make someone 'tough' nor 'gentleman-like.' I agree that yelling is fine in football, but the way that he did it is wrong because his example directly went against his own principles.

Some people have stated that these players are young men and not children. Trust me, these 18-22 year-olds are still maturing. How come people people say that high school recruits are just kids? Do they magically mature once they step on campus? No, it's Kelly's job (and that's part of his recruiting pitch to parents) to help them grow up into respectable men. His actions were not conducive to setting an example for his players.

 

[zcoult41]

Anyone who thinks that Kelly went overboard is either A) someone who never played football or B) is a nancy.

I'd rather have a passionate coach that expects nothing but the best then one who lets things slide. Yesterday was an embarrassment, the better team didn't win and the players only have themselves to blame. NOT the coach...

well said.and nuff said

 

[zcoult41]

THE PUSSIFICATION OF AMERICAS YOUTH IS SUFFOCATING ME...BOO HOO..THE HEAD COACH OF A MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAM WAS YELLING AT HIS PLAYERS WHEN THEY TURNED THE BALL OVER 3 TIMES INSIDE THE 5 YARD LINE..SOMEBODY NEEDED TO WAKE THEM UP AND OBVIOUSLY BK'S YELLING DIDNT EVEN GET IT DONE...BRING OUT THE WHIPS

 

[gkautz10]

bottom line is....
1)this is not the first time BK has done this, he did it all last year.
2)stemming from this is not the 1st time, he did it while he was at Cincy and am sure Swarbrick and Father Jenkins saw him coach prior to hiring him. therefore they have seen him get irate and still hired him.
3)he is the coach and can do whatever he wants, its HIS program not ours.
4)why don't we spend more time supporting the team and less time b******* about little stupid things like this.

i will admit that i am the first one to get irate about the game. and i can tell you if i would have been in BK's shoes you guys would have been calling the police on me during the game. did you guys forget that WE TURNED THE BALL OVER 3 TIMES INSIDE THE 5 YARD LINE??????? pathetic but lets move on, support the players and coaching staff and beat the S*** outta Michigan!!! GO IRISH

 

[GoIrish41]

Anyone who thinks that Kelly went overboard is either A) someone who never played football or B) is a nancy.

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Anyone who characterizes everyone who feels one way or another on this topic is either A) a person who played HS football but sucked so bad he was used to getting screamed at by the coach so he thinks this behavior is normal, or B) a cyber tough guy who is emboldened to call people names while hiding behind a keyboard, which kind of makes him a pu$$y.

 

[DillonHall]

THE PUSSIFICATION OF AMERICAS YOUTH IS SUFFOCATING ME...BOO HOO..THE HEAD COACH OF A MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAM WAS YELLING AT HIS PLAYERS WHEN THEY TURNED THE BALL OVER 3 TIMES INSIDE THE 5 YARD LINE..SOMEBODY NEEDED TO WAKE THEM UP AND OBVIOUSLY BK'S YELLING DIDNT EVEN GET IT DONE...BRING OUT THE WHIPS

You just provided an argument for the other side. A coach's primary purpose on gameday is to put his players in the best position to succeed. His out-of-control yelling didn't do this...

BTW, stop using all caps

 

[gkautz10]

THE PUSSIFICATION OF AMERICAS YOUTH IS SUFFOCATING ME...BOO HOO..THE HEAD COACH OF A MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAM WAS YELLING AT HIS PLAYERS WHEN THEY TURNED THE BALL OVER 3 TIMES INSIDE THE 5 YARD LINE..SOMEBODY NEEDED TO WAKE THEM UP AND OBVIOUSLY BK'S YELLING DIDNT EVEN GET IT DONE...BRING OUT THE WHIPS

remember, you can spank a kid 5 times before it is considered child abuse

 

[JayRock]

Anyone who characterizes everyone who feels one way or another on this topic is either A) a person who played HS football but sucked so bad he was used to getting screamed at by the coach so he thinks this behavior is normal, or B) a cyber tough guy who is emboldened to call people names while hiding behind a keyboard, which kind of makes him a pu$$y.

Usually the poorer players aren't getting yelled at. Notice that it doesn't happen at mid-major programs. But when you have top-tier athletes under-performing, they deserve it. I don't think sucky HS football players get yelled at often.

 

[zcoult41]

You just provided an argument for the other side. A coach's primary purpose on gameday is to put his players in the best position to succeed. His out-of-control yelling didn't do this...

BTW, stop using all caps

WHY

 

[DillonHall]

WHY

Board rule

 

[kmoose]

We will have to agree to disagree. I believe the football field has many, many similarities to the business world. In both places, we demand professionalism, insist that everyone is treated with respect, and reward hard work and dedication. There are a ton of similarities. And, it comes down to treating people right. I'd say berating an 18 or 19 year old kid on national television is not treating him right.

So you drill your employees, for hours on end, in the basics of work (i.e. punching a timeclock), and then make them run, or do pushups, every time they make a mistake? Professionalism on the football field is entirely different from professionalism in the workplace. Just like professionalism on a battlefield is entirely different from either of those places.

 

[GoIrish41]

So you drill your employees, for hours on end, in the basics of work (i.e. punching a timeclock), and then make them run, or do pushups, every time they make a mistake? Professionalism on the football field is entirely different from professionalism in the workplace. Just like professionalism on a battlefield is entirely different from either of those places.

professionalism is no different on the football field or in the workplace -- the means of achieving professionalism are different. I spent 8 years in the military and have spent 12 years working for the Department of Defense as a civilian. I also spent 14 years playing organized football. Professionalism meant the same thing in all three -- not only being proficient at ones tasks, but also carrying onself with class and dignity. This entire thread boils down to whether Kelly did that during the USF game. I submit he did not.

 

[kmoose]

professionalism is no different on the football field or in the workplace -- the means of achieving professionalism are different. I spent 8 years in the military and have spent 12 years working for the Department of Defense as a civilian. I also spent 14 years playing organized football. Professionalism meant the same thing in all three -- not only being proficient at ones tasks, but also carrying onself with class and dignity. This entire thread boils down to whether Kelly did that during the USF game. I submit he did not.

So the Drill Sergeants who called you a c*cksucker and a sorry piece of sh!t were unprofessional?

 

[GoIrish41]

So the Drill Sergeants who called you a c*cksucker and a sorry piece of sh!t were unprofessional?

If they did it on national television they would have been.

 

[kmoose]

If they did it on national television they would have been.

What difference does that make? In terms of professionalism, it's only unprofessional if they do it on TV?

 

[gkautz10]

Board rule

are you a board member lol

 

[zcoult41]

Board rule

are you on the board of directors?

 

[DillonHall]

are you on the board of directors?

Shut the **** up, noob

 

[BobD]

As a Marine with nearly 28 years of service, I can tell you that where Coach Kelly went wrong is his continual pursuit of the *** chewing. I have found when warrented with my Marines, is when the *** chewing is warrented and I have to raise my voice, it is quick, to the point and gains their attention. I then remidiate, dust them off and get them back into the "game" if you will. No need to go on and on. They are grown men and if they respect you and are look up to you, they know the level of your displeasure with their performance just by the fact you were upset enough to raise your voice. Make the point then move on.

Amen

 

[GoIrish41]

What difference does that make? In terms of professionalism, it's only unprofessional if they do it on TV?

actually, it was a joke, which is why it was accompanied by a smiley face.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

I just read this entire thread, and I didn't see one post about the situation that caused the biggest outcry about Kelly's yelling. Most people here point out the TJ yell as the one that "crossed the line".

Listen, in THAT situation, TJ deserved every single thing he got. First off, They just came back from a two and half hour delay. They had all kinds of time to re-focus and re-gain the momentum, and they DID, up til the point TJ decided to have a mental brain fart. The start of the third quarter, down 16-0. Nothing going right in the first half. Crist getting pulled in favor of Rees. The defense getting a 3 and out on the first offensive series in the second half. The offense marching the ball all the way to the 5 yd line. And then POOF! Everything that you had just spent the last two and half hours preparing your team for, just went to the wayside because of a STUPID mental error. I'd venture to bet that almost every single person watching the game at that point felt as angry or worse than Kelly did. That was a pivotal swing in momentum.

Kelly knew that error was severe. Kelly knew that mistake was going to probably cost them the game (As I am sure most every fan watching at the time felt). Momentum is HUGE in college football.

I saw Kelly yelling alot yesterday, but as everyone points out, the TJ rant was his tipping point. If TJ doesn't make that mistake, I doubt anybody even says anything about any of the other yelling that took place.

I don't blame Kelly one bit for losing his cool, especially in that situation.

Obviously there has been alot said about Kelly yelling, and some are in favor of it, and some are completely against it. But I ask this question, Think back to a time where you were at your breaking point (losing your cool), and think about the circumstances surrounding that break. If you can honestly say that you could stay calm and not lose your cool, then you are a better man than I.

 

[NDMontana]

well said.and nuff said

I playef football from fifth grade through college, 12 years, and officiated high school varsity for five years. Yeah, I saw coaches yell but not like Kelly and it always ended with "you're better than that" or "now go get get 'em". I don't think Kelly was ending conversations that way.

 

[anarin]

Amazing that this thread has gone 12 pages.

BK lost his ****, it happens. I'm really not sure why this continues to be debated. You have your soft skinned people who think that screaming at player for making a boneheaded play is a terrible thing to do. And you have your tough skinned people that think jumping a players *** after a boneheaded play is justified.

I mean what can be done? He isn't gonna hold a press conference apologizing that he jumped TJ's ***. You think he should be canned for someone that doesn't do that sort of thing? I mean really, this is a non issue.

We should be focused on scUM now. And debate whether or not Theo can catch a ball. Oh and for the internet tough guy remark on the nancy comment, yeah thats what I do, I go to forums and start internet fights cuz I'm Hank the Internet Tough Guy.

 

[zcoult41]

Shut the **** up, noob

@Dillon Hall...I can feel your frusterations..Being a Sox fan is not easy tonight.