Thought BK went too far yesterday

[pkt77242]

Here is a couple of links about coaches and tempers

Rank how bad SEC Football Coaches Tempers are @ TigerDroppings.com

Which College Football Coaches Have Most Volatile Tempers? | LostLettermen.com

Most good coaches have crazy tempers. Deal with it.

 

[pkt77242]

My favorite pictures I found (taken from Lostlettermen.com)

and video

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[phork]

This post is not about any other coach or any other school. This post is about our coach at ND. We can't claim higher standards if we point to other schools and say "Look they do it". Those schools also cheat, is that acceptable now?

 

[GreatGolson]

he yelled at his players when we were winning last november. if we got that onside and won it OT this thread (and half the other new threads) wouldnt exist

 

[Buster Bluth]

Have any of you guys played football?! Coaches yell.

Seriously, this complaining is nothing short of pathetic.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

Have you ever watched Nick Saban on the sideline, he screams and curses just like Brian Kelly. Also have you ever watched Steve Spurrier scream and yell at his QB's? Sorry to break it to you but most top notch coaches scream and yell at their players like that, especially when they make stupid mental mistakes. And don't even get me started on Bo Pelini and Bobby Petrion.

I watch coaches very closely when I watch games. Everyone is throwing out YouTube videos of tirades, but those are all isolated instances. Kelly was at it alllll game to the point where it gets mentioned on many media outlets. Again, sorry if it feels like I'm on a vendetta against BK, I'm not! Just thinks he needs to dial it back a hair on the sidelines. We the fans are supposed to have knee jerk reactions and irrational calling out of players, not the captain of the ship in the heart of a storm(lol ohh what a good reference in comparison to yesterday).

 

[koonja]

he yelled at his players when we were winning last november. if we got that onside and won it OT this thread (and half the other new threads) wouldnt exist

Exactly, we'd be praising his passion. He did nothing wrong. He spends more time with his players than ANYONE on this board. I think he knows how to handle the young men.

 

[pkt77242]

This post is not about any other coach or any other school. This post is about our coach at ND. We can't claim higher standards if we point to other schools and say "Look they do it". Those schools also cheat, is that acceptable now?

How in Gods name did you make the leap from yelling at players to cheating? Nice Straw Man arguement, the two aren't even related.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

he yelled at his players when we were winning last november. if we got that onside and won it OT this thread (and half the other new threads) wouldnt exist

I guarantee this would still be a topic even if we won, I would have brought it up.

 

[ND4EVA]

he yelled at his players when we were winning last november. if we got that onside and won it OT this thread (and half the other new threads) wouldnt exist

Damn you was just about to say this samething. If it would have been ruffer kicking the game winner or TJ catching the game winning td all the threads would be about how we love haveing a coach who can get in a players face and make them live up to their potential. I love a fired up coach who gets in your face when you F%$# up, that shows a passion and desire to be the best and accept noting less then what you are capable of.

 

[pkt77242]

This post is not about any other coach or any other school. This post is about our coach at ND. We can't claim higher standards if we point to other schools and say "Look they do it". Those schools also cheat, is that acceptable now?

And as far as holding ND to a higher standard on yelling, Holtz was a big time screamer and I didn't hear anyone complianing about it.

 

[JeremyND07]

I agree win or loss Kelly's behavior was classless! I had a few friends watching the game with me that are fans of another team. They could not believe how many times we read his lips and he dropped the "F" bomb. What recruit wants to come play for a coach in this day and age that needs anger management classes?!?!?!

 

[anarin]

Anyone who thinks that Kelly went overboard is either A) someone who never played football or B) is a nancy.

I'd rather have a passionate coach that expects nothing but the best then one who lets things slide. Yesterday was an embarrassment, the better team didn't win and the players only have themselves to blame. NOT the coach...

 

[smerky]

You are the problem with America. You are probably the one handing out participation trophies to kids on teams who finished 8th in your local Pop Warner football league. BK's job at ND is to win football games, not be the players' #1 cheerleader or best friend.



Don't forget, making a bridge by joining hands with all the parents for the players to run under after the game!

That's too funny, but so on point! Your exactly right!

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

Have any of you guys played football?! Coaches yell.

Seriously, this complaining is nothing short of pathetic.

I played D2 football and watched a head coach get petioned out by his players because of his whiny, temper tantrum, prickish attitude...seriously the guy lost his head coaching position. No I'm not comparing this to BK...but just showing that kind of behavior isn't always 'ok because it's football"

 

[JeremyND07]

Anyone who thinks that Kelly went overboard is either A) someone who never played football or B) is a nancy.

I'd rather have a passionate coach that expects nothing but the best then one who lets things slide. Yesterday was an embarrassment, the better team didn't win and the players only have themselves to blame. NOT the coach...

Played football and not a nancy! I played for a passionate coach too...purple face and "F" bombs on national TV, spending more time yelling at the kids than getting the right play for a 2 point conversation, etc.

Players were BAD yesterday but the coach also did not have the prepared! Top to bottom horrible game, game plan, and discipline!!!! Pathetic!!!

 

[pkt77242]

I played D2 football and watched a head coach get petioned out by his players because of his whiny, temper tantrum, prickish attitude...seriously the guy lost his head coaching position. No I'm not comparing this to BK...but just showing that kind of behavior isn't always 'ok because it's football"

I agree with you on this, we will know if Kelly has gone too far by how the players respond. The players still went out and played their *** off till the end, so I don't think they had an issue with it (well maybe Crist did, but that is a whole different story).

 

[pkt77242]

Played football and not a nancy! I played for a passionate coach too...purple face and "F" bombs on national TV, spending more time yelling at the kids than getting the right play for a 2 point conversation, etc.

Players were BAD yesterday but the coach also did not have the prepared! Top to bottom horrible game, game plan, and discipline!!!! Pathetic!!!

How was there a horrible game plan? yes the players weren't disciplined but the game plan was solid, it was just executed horribly.

 

[anarin]

Played football and not a nancy! I played for a passionate coach too...purple face and "F" bombs on national TV, spending more time yelling at the kids than getting the right play for a 2 point conversation, etc.

Players were BAD yesterday but the coach also did not have the prepared! Top to bottom horrible game, game plan, and discipline!!!! Pathetic!!!

He yelled after they messed the 2pt conversion play up and had to call the timeout. Which gave him enough time to get in their *** about wasting a timeout. You are just nitpicking now and looking for reasons to make this an issue if you are singling that one out.

I guess it was Kelly's screaming that jarred Rees enough to throw a bad fade route to Floyd on that play too?

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

Anyone who thinks that Kelly went overboard is either A) someone who never played football or B) is a nancy.

I'd rather have a passionate coach that expects nothing but the best then one who lets things slide. Yesterday was an embarrassment, the better team didn't win and the players only have themselves to blame. NOT the coach...

A. I played football, at both levels. 2. I coach football and basketball and not 1 player who has ever played for me would call me a nancy.

There's a fine line, you can yell...but like a former Maine said in an earlier post...wait I'm gonna go find it because I thought it was an excellent post.

 

[JeremyND07]

bad gameplan = not having the right starting QB. It was an example of belittling the players instead of coaching them. Big difference...this is not Cinncy and I do not believe these type of players will respond to his temper! Just an opinion!

 

[IrishSteelhead]

A. I played football, at both levels. 2. I coach football and basketball and not 1 player who has ever played for me would call me a nancy.

There's a fine line, you can yell...but like a former Maine said in an earlier post...wait I'm gonna go find it because I thought it was an excellent post.

+1.

To the uber-macho internet tough guys:

I don't think anyone is arguing that yelling and getting fired up isn't necessary and effective, some of us are merely pointing out that it loses all meaning when you have had 3 meltdowns before halftime. Anyone who has TRULY played competitive sports knows that some guys tune out a coach from time to time when they won't leave their ear, and it can adversely affect their play.

 

[koonja]

bad gameplan = not having the right starting QB. It was an example of belittling the players instead of coaching them. Big difference...this is not Cinncy and I do not believe these type of players will respond to his temper! Just an opinion!

I find it ironic that your avatar reads: Mr. Patient, lol.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

If you want to be a big time program (which let's face it we've been big time in name only for 10+years) then your big time players have to step up when the ball is coming to them.
All the kids who got ripped deserved it. They came into the game unfocused for whatever reason and it ended up hurting the team.

+1.

To the uber-macho internet tough guys:

I don't think anyone is arguing that yelling and getting fired up isn't necessary and effective, some of us are merely pointing out that it loses all meaning when you have had 3 meltdowns before halftime. Anyone who has TRULY played competitive sports knows that some guys tune out a coach from time to time when they won't leave their ear, and it can adversely affect their play.

And I've learned that when the coach stops yelling and ignores you after the play it usually means you just lost your starting position..Your right though if they tune out the coach and keep it up it will adversely affect their playing time.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

As a Marine with nearly 28 years of service, I can tell you that were Coach Kelly went wrong is his continual pursuit of the *** chewing. I have found when warrented with my Marines, is when the *** chewing is warrented and I have to raise my voice, it is quick, to the point and gains their attention. I then remidiate, dust them off and get them back into the "game" if you will. No need to go on and on. They are grown men and if they respect you and are look up to you, they know the level of your displeasure with their performance just by the fact you were upset enough to raise your voice. Make the point then move on.

This guy sums up my feelings a helleuva lot better than I can!

 

[NDMontana]

Have you ever watched Nick Saban on the sideline, he screams and curses just like Brian Kelly. Also have you ever watched Steve Spurrier scream and yell at his QB's? Sorry to break it to you but most top notch coaches scream and yell at their players like that, especially when they make stupid mental mistakes. And don't even get me started on Bo Pelini and Bobby Petrion.

Don't even get me started on the notion any of the coaches you mentioned aside from Saban are top notch. Pelini almost lost his best player last year and wors from two Nebraska alums that I work with, one of whom makes a lot of dough and is a booster (not big enough to have dinner with the AD but I bet the assistant AD knows him by name) seem to think that it is going to be a quick hook for Pelini if he has one bad season because he is not well liked.
Spurrier is irrelevant.
And as another poster said, all of those coaches yell and say "get your head out of your ***" but then there's the pat on the *** right afterwords and it's "go get 'em".
There is never a pat on the *** and go get 'em from Kelly. He usually follows them after the initial exchange and if the other team doesn't profit from the mistake the he silently allows the player to retake the field. If the other team does score then he's yelling at the guy again.
High level athletes might need to get a reminder of where they are and what they are doing at certain points but they also need to feel confident and not play scared. How many times do you qb controversys work out for the best? How often do you hear how important condfidence is when everyone you play with and against is uber-talented?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

If you want to be a big time program (which let's face it we've been big time in name only for 10+years) then your big time players have to step up when the ball is coming to them.
All the kids who got ripped deserved it. They came into the game unfocused for whatever reason and it ended up hurting the team.

And I've learned that when the coach stops yelling and ignores you after the play it usually means you just lost your starting position..Your right though if they tune out the coach and keep it up it will adversely affect their playing time.

I agree. Every perspective in this thread makes valid points, and it wasn't my intention to start an argument with anyone or get one going between other posters. We are all in this together, and the last thing ND Nation needs right now is in-fighting. I support Coach 100% and understand the immense pressure he feels day in and day out.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

I agree. Every perspective in this thread makes valid points, and it wasn't my intention to start an argument with anyone or get one going between other posters. We are all in this together, and the last thing ND Nation needs right now is in-fighting. I support Coach 100% and understand the immense pressure he feels day in and day out.

^this, well said. Let's knock the snot out of the scUM.

 

[koonja]

If anyone wants to start talking Michigan vs. ND I posted some game info in the gameday forum, Michigan sept 10 thread.

 

[pkt77242]

Don't even get me started on the notion any of the coaches you mentioned aside from Saban are top notch. Pelini almost lost his best player last year and wors from two Nebraska alums that I work with, one of whom makes a lot of dough and is a booster (not big enough to have dinner with the AD but I bet the assistant AD knows him by name) seem to think that it is going to be a quick hook for Pelini if he has one bad season because he is not well liked.
Spurrier is irrelevant.

How about this one. Bob Stoops is know to be a big time screamer as well and so is Chip Kelly along with most of the SEC coaches.