ND/Big 12 Nonsense Rumors
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I don't see the basketball program taking a big hit if they join the Big Ten. The additional W's could compensate for not being in the Big East. Plus I would assume recruits will still want the degree. 
I for one hope that, if Notre Dame does join the Big Ten, they decide to restart the wrestling program to fit it better with the culture of the conference.
My cousin JD Bergman was a 3x All-American at Ohio State, but grew up wanting to play football for Lou Holtz at Notre Dame. He ended up pursuing wrestling for the Buckeyes and is on the short list of people with a great shot to make the London Olympics. It would've been neat to watch him play football and wrestle at Notre Dame. (Ironically his Olympic run will put me in the isles just in time for the Notre Dame-Navy game )
I for one hope that, if Notre Dame does join the Big Ten, they decide to restart the wrestling program to fit it better with the culture of the conference.
My cousin JD Bergman was a 3x All-American at Ohio State, but grew up wanting to play football for Lou Holtz at Notre Dame. He ended up pursuing wrestling for the Buckeyes and is on the short list of people with a great shot to make the London Olympics. It would've been neat to watch him play football and wrestle at Notre Dame. (Ironically his Olympic run will put me in the isles just in time for the Notre Dame-Navy game
)ND wrestling was a casualty of Title IX in the early 90's as I recall. It wasn't due to funding for the sport as there was a wrestling endowment. It was a question of funding the equivalent female scholarships that would be required under Title IX. A move to a conference doesn't change the equivalent scholarship situation.
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I'm only dreaming. hah
But would it be that hard to have another women's sport to bring back wrestling? Wrestling is such a wonderful sport, it's a shame Title IX is the POS that it is.
But would it be that hard to have another women's sport to bring back wrestling? Wrestling is such a wonderful sport, it's a shame Title IX is the POS that it is.
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As I think and write about this at 2:somethin' in the morning, the thing I see that a lot of people aren't keeping account of is that the current conference landscape will look drastically different if these super conferences emerge. And I don't mean from just a numbers or new schools perspective. The thing that is driving all this is money and the capability of revenue generated by schools. If and when the super conferences come about, I think all sorts of strange bedfellows will emerge.
It is not a safe assumption to think if the SEC tries to get FSU, Clemson, or GT that Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia will be fine with those moves. They won't at all and will fight it. To what extent is the key.
Let's stick with Florida here for example sake. If Florida gets their feelings hurt and/or feels threatened by the addition of FSU, then look for them to keep their options open. Florida is now a larger school with an emerging academic reputation. They are the premier state school in the state of Florida. That alone brings more revenue streams and capabilities than FSU, CFU, SF, etc. Ultimately what people are mad with Texas about is them trying to maximize revenue and profit. Other schools already are and will look to do the same. Florida already does and will continue to get premier recruits from probably the top state in high school football. Their location and performance alone will allow them to continue to be able to get some kids as well from south Georgia, south Alabama, and others in the Southeast. I wouldn't put it past the university at all to keep all their options open.
I use the Florida example to show that what would stop say, ND, Texas, USC, Miami, UNC, Virginia, Stanford, UCLA, BYU, Florida, and ____ to say, "You know what, we're all schools with nation wide alumni bases (and in turn, somewhat of a national following); we're pretty good academically; we are in key geographic, population, and recruiting areas; we want to remain prestigious (or become more prestigious); we want to compete with not only like-minded institutions, but be in a tough, admired, and competitive-on-the-field conference; and oh yeah-- we want to make as much money as we can on top of all that."
Right now, by and large, the only things that actually makes the existing conferences who they are are geography and history. The super conference idea changes that and throws the ideas of geography and rivalry/history out the window. Yes, Texas and Texas A&M share a lot of things...and genuine animosity is truly one of them. Going back many years and ongoing through today, many of A&M's and Texas' tie-ins with one another was mandated at the state legislature-- not because they actually wanted to compete and face one another on a yearly basis. If and when UT and A&M do break-up, it'll be with happy hearts on both sides. I don't know as much about UT and A&M as other competing state institutions, but I'm sure there are more like theirs. A lot of these "state brethren" schools would just as much see the other school suffer as they prosper. This also leads me to believe the super conferences may have a drastically different look than we all know them as today.
Another profit/revenue tidbit that will drive realignment is that football IS KING. Period. FB revenue dwarfs revenue from all other sports...usually combined. Yes, basketball is great and produces some revenue, but nothing compared to football. Remember how Kansas was going to be left out last summer when we thought the super conferences may emerge? I think it is quite telling that a school that game-in, game-out gets 20,000 people in the stands for games and is one of just a very select few historic and current basketball powers...could of very easily ended up in the Mountain West or Conference USA!
There's lots of speculation and posturing going on between schools and conferences right now. Nobody knows how much of it is real...or just brought up to gauge interest and reactions. And nobody knows how this will play out. I certainly do not. I just think there's a good chance that things will look a lot more different than they will look the same.
Sorry for the long, rambling post. I'm definitely not wanting to come across like I know things others don't know or that I'm lecturing or preaching! Just a late night "get it off my chest" bull session!
(I think going to the Titans game tonight got my critical thinking and competitive juices flowing- haha!)
It is not a safe assumption to think if the SEC tries to get FSU, Clemson, or GT that Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia will be fine with those moves. They won't at all and will fight it. To what extent is the key.
Let's stick with Florida here for example sake. If Florida gets their feelings hurt and/or feels threatened by the addition of FSU, then look for them to keep their options open. Florida is now a larger school with an emerging academic reputation. They are the premier state school in the state of Florida. That alone brings more revenue streams and capabilities than FSU, CFU, SF, etc. Ultimately what people are mad with Texas about is them trying to maximize revenue and profit. Other schools already are and will look to do the same. Florida already does and will continue to get premier recruits from probably the top state in high school football. Their location and performance alone will allow them to continue to be able to get some kids as well from south Georgia, south Alabama, and others in the Southeast. I wouldn't put it past the university at all to keep all their options open.
I use the Florida example to show that what would stop say, ND, Texas, USC, Miami, UNC, Virginia, Stanford, UCLA, BYU, Florida, and ____ to say, "You know what, we're all schools with nation wide alumni bases (and in turn, somewhat of a national following); we're pretty good academically; we are in key geographic, population, and recruiting areas; we want to remain prestigious (or become more prestigious); we want to compete with not only like-minded institutions, but be in a tough, admired, and competitive-on-the-field conference; and oh yeah-- we want to make as much money as we can on top of all that."
Right now, by and large, the only things that actually makes the existing conferences who they are are geography and history. The super conference idea changes that and throws the ideas of geography and rivalry/history out the window. Yes, Texas and Texas A&M share a lot of things...and genuine animosity is truly one of them. Going back many years and ongoing through today, many of A&M's and Texas' tie-ins with one another was mandated at the state legislature-- not because they actually wanted to compete and face one another on a yearly basis. If and when UT and A&M do break-up, it'll be with happy hearts on both sides. I don't know as much about UT and A&M as other competing state institutions, but I'm sure there are more like theirs. A lot of these "state brethren" schools would just as much see the other school suffer as they prosper. This also leads me to believe the super conferences may have a drastically different look than we all know them as today.
Another profit/revenue tidbit that will drive realignment is that football IS KING. Period. FB revenue dwarfs revenue from all other sports...usually combined. Yes, basketball is great and produces some revenue, but nothing compared to football. Remember how Kansas was going to be left out last summer when we thought the super conferences may emerge? I think it is quite telling that a school that game-in, game-out gets 20,000 people in the stands for games and is one of just a very select few historic and current basketball powers...could of very easily ended up in the Mountain West or Conference USA!
There's lots of speculation and posturing going on between schools and conferences right now. Nobody knows how much of it is real...or just brought up to gauge interest and reactions. And nobody knows how this will play out. I certainly do not. I just think there's a good chance that things will look a lot more different than they will look the same.
Sorry for the long, rambling post. I'm definitely not wanting to come across like I know things others don't know or that I'm lecturing or preaching! Just a late night "get it off my chest" bull session!
(I think going to the Titans game tonight got my critical thinking and competitive juices flowing- haha!)
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I agree with what some of you guys are saying, the big east wouldn't be the odd conference out, the ACC would fall apart, and many of the teams would join/go back to the Big East.
Miami hasn't done **** in the ACC, and would gladly jump back into the Big East. Where would they go otherwise? The SEC? Theyd get demolished, they can't win the ACC. Fredo would come crawling back. I also think Duke/NC come join...adding some academic clout to the Big East.
Looking at how some of you constructed the conferences, the Big East looks like a legit contender.
ND has adapted to a lot, and I don't think joing a conference would hurt their national presence. They'd still beable to recruit nationally, and would undoubtedly keep SC/Navy on the schedule.
If it has to happen, it has to happen. I wonder if ND/Texas are colaborating behind the scenes for a plan B?
Miami hasn't done **** in the ACC, and would gladly jump back into the Big East. Where would they go otherwise? The SEC? Theyd get demolished, they can't win the ACC. Fredo would come crawling back. I also think Duke/NC come join...adding some academic clout to the Big East.
Looking at how some of you constructed the conferences, the Big East looks like a legit contender.
ND has adapted to a lot, and I don't think joing a conference would hurt their national presence. They'd still beable to recruit nationally, and would undoubtedly keep SC/Navy on the schedule.
If it has to happen, it has to happen. I wonder if ND/Texas are colaborating behind the scenes for a plan B?
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Meh, might be easier for UConn, Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville, Pitt, and TCU to join the ACC than to bring over the ACC schools and then have to kick all the non-football schools out of the conference.
Either way, having UConn, Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville, UNC, and Duke in one basketball conference would be utterly insane.
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SEC doesn't extend invitation to Texas A&M, but leaves options open - ESPN
Looks like SEC is sticking with 12 for awhile. Super conferences still on hold...
Looks like SEC is sticking with 12 for awhile. Super conferences still on hold...
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Big East would be winners in a Super Conference world. They'd get back BC and Miami, and potentially VT if the ACC disbanded. After losing GT, FSU, and Clemson.
then you look at UNC and Duke. would they join for basketball? they could. I'd argue that the Big East basketball conference is the closest thing college sports has to resembling a Super Conference. teams that dont get considered or dont have football - Georgetown immediately comes to mind. St. Johns as well. Villanova.
then you look at UNC and Duke. would they join for basketball? they could. I'd argue that the Big East basketball conference is the closest thing college sports has to resembling a Super Conference. teams that dont get considered or dont have football - Georgetown immediately comes to mind. St. Johns as well. Villanova.
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marquette, seton hall...
depaul and providence would be in trouble. arguably rutgers could lose out in a super conference world.
depaul and providence would be in trouble. arguably rutgers could lose out in a super conference world.
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Operative words here... "For now".
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I heard that Notre Dame will be joining the MAC.......
JUST KIDDING EVERYONE!
All joking asside I don't see ND joining a conference, because being an Independent is part of our tradition and it is appealing to recruits to the posibility of playing different schools every year.
JUST KIDDING EVERYONE!
All joking asside I don't see ND joining a conference, because being an Independent is part of our tradition and it is appealing to recruits to the posibility of playing different schools every year.
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bwahahahahahahaha...
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UF, USC, and UGA must have banned together to block a T m because they don't want FSU, Clemson or GT joining the SEC. :lol
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How my what tastes?
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Thats what A&M will say once they bolt for the SEC.