Can someone tell me why.....

[Praytorian]

the agents are not getting sued by the schools and the fans?
With it seeming that everyone is sueing everyone these days for small stuff, why in the world are people not sueing these agents for messing with the students. I mean it MAY not be against the LAW to give someone money, but it sure is messing these schools up and the people who are paying for season tickets (even though I don't like USC most of them don't deserve what is happening to their school because of Pete and the past AD whatshisnutz).
I think that a person could get rich, look Bush paid off the 2 agents that SUPPOSEDLY gave his family the money. They could take them to claims court couldn't they? Heck sue Bush himself.
I'm not a fan of all the sueing going on, but these agents are all about the money. You take away their money like that and I think that alot of these problems will go away.

just a ? from me to you,
Pray

P.S. People who say Student Atheletes SHOULD get paid are stupid. They are already getting paid via scholarship, heck I don't make 30K a year.

 

[BGIF]

the agents are not getting sued by the schools and the fans?
With it seeming that everyone is sueing everyone these days for small stuff, why in the world are people not sueing these agents for messing with the students. I mean it MAY not be against the LAW to give someone money, but it sure is messing these schools up and the people who are paying for season tickets (even though I don't like USC most of them don't deserve what is happening to their school because of Pete and the past AD whatshisnutz).
I think that a person could get rich, look Bush paid off the 2 agents that SUPPOSEDLY gave his family the money. They could take them to claims court couldn't they? Heck sue Bush himself.
I'm not a fan of all the sueing going on, but these agents are all about the money. You take away their money like that and I think that alot of these problems will go away.

just a ? from me to you,
Pray

P.S. People who say Student Atheletes SHOULD get paid are stupid. They are already getting paid via scholarship, heck I don't make 30K a year.

I mentioned this yesterday in the Bama thread:

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/oth...-into-possible-ncaa-violation.html#post379407

Alabama calculated that the Langham Affair cost the University between $4 - 5 millon on lost revenues, administrative expense, and legal fees. If they had sued Langahm for that loss of revenue as a result of his illegal action and subsequent fraud and gotten a judgement against his NFL signing bonus and earnings, it would have sent a message to athletes not to sign illegal contracts or you'll pay down the road. Bama was afraid if they sued a player it would hurt recruiting. They also had another problem the NCAA said Stalling was duplicitous which was the basis for lack of institutional control.

USC could sue Reggie Bush but it's difficult when they're appealing that he/they wasn't guilty.

The fans don't have standing. They have no relationship with the student athlete and don't have a financial loss. The school could sue for the value of the scholarship plus actual damages. They fear other schools using it against them in recruiting. I suspect students could sue if the action results in higher student fees.

In both Alabama's and USC's case the school has dirty hands through the coaches coverups. Their penalties would have been a lot less had they reported and/or done proper due diligence.

 

[Praytorian]

Thanks, sorry I didn't see your response yesterday.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Fans and colleges don't have a cause of action. Even if there were, they don't have calculable damages.

If you bought a ticket to a game, you could file suit against the NCAA for fraud, since you bought the ticket based on the promise of non-compensated student-athlete competition. You wouldn't win, but you could represent a class of millions of plaintiffs and a potential billion-dollar judgment against the NCAA.

 

[uscfootball93]

the agents are not getting sued by the schools and the fans?
With it seeming that everyone is sueing everyone these days for small stuff, why in the world are people not sueing these agents for messing with the students. I mean it MAY not be against the LAW to give someone money, but it sure is messing these schools up and the people who are paying for season tickets (even though I don't like USC most of them don't deserve what is happening to their school because of Pete and the past AD whatshisnutz).
I think that a person could get rich, look Bush paid off the 2 agents that SUPPOSEDLY gave his family the money. They could take them to claims court couldn't they? Heck sue Bush himself.
I'm not a fan of all the sueing going on, but these agents are all about the money. You take away their money like that and I think that alot of these problems will go away.

just a ? from me to you,
Pray

P.S. People who say Student Atheletes SHOULD get paid are stupid. They are already getting paid via scholarship, heck I don't make 30K a year.

they SHOULD get paid considering how much money they bring in for their respective universities every year. And they are NOT getting paid via scholarship. Most of these scholarships only cover tuition, not books or anything else. You also got to realize that unlike other college students, they most likely can't get a job since they are athletes and, let's face it, college athletics are pretty much a pro sport and are treated as such by the coaches. So a student athlete does not have the time to maintain a job during the season and even during the off-season.

 

[IrishInFl]

I'd be cool with them getting a stipend of $500 a month while in school sessions, or at least allowing them to get a job.

 

[BGIF]

...colleges don't have a cause of action. Even if there were, they don't have calculable damages. ...

Loss of bowl revenue/Tv revenue.
Cost on Investigation
Legal Fees

Alabama calculated the numbers as a result of the Antonio Langham affair.

The athletes go throught instruction on what they can and can't do. They sign a compliance statement.


Calculating the impact of lost scholarship is a more difficult but since attorneys and actuaries can calculate losse in income and conjugal benefits due to injury or death I have confidence they can document the numbers.


There were articles written by attorneys after the Langham affair. The college has a contract with the student athlete with terms and conditions. That individual violated the terms. The University didn't sue because of fear of negative publicity.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

they SHOULD get paid considering how much money they bring in for their respective universities every year. And they are NOT getting paid via scholarship. Most of these scholarships only cover tuition, not books or anything else. You also got to realize that unlike other college students, they most likely can't get a job since they are athletes and, let's face it, college athletics are pretty much a pro sport and are treated as such by the coaches. So a student athlete does not have the time to maintain a job during the season and even during the off-season.

NCAA Football Scholarship Regulations | eHow.com

"Gifts and other Restrictions
The scholarship covers the cost of the student's tuition, books, plus room and board.
The college or university is prohibited from giving the athletes benefits such as the use of cars, cash, promises of employment, gifts and clothes."

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

a school would never sue the athlete. it would be a death sentence for recruiting. even if a vast majority of recruits follow the rules, a school that goes after former students would lose all credibility as an institution that will support its players. just the notion that USC would sue bush after his performance at the school goes against the basic logic of risk/reward. it would have more negative effects than positive.

 

[uscfootball93]

NCAA Football Scholarship Regulations | eHow.com

"Gifts and other Restrictions
The scholarship covers the cost of the student's tuition, books, plus room and board.
The college or university is prohibited from giving the athletes benefits such as the use of cars, cash, promises of employment, gifts and clothes."

obviously it doesn't cover books since fsu and bama have gotten in trouble for giving out free books....

 

[BGIF]

obviously it doesn't cover books since fsu and bama have gotten in trouble for giving out free books....

Wrong. Neither FSU or Bama gave out "free" books.

Rather athletes abused the textbook issuing process getting books for their friends or for resale. The universities story was that the bookstore was lax in carding/record keeping for distribution of the athletic scholarship books. The same athlete would come in multiple times for books and they were supposed to be charged against an Athletic Department Account for Scholarship Athletes. Apparently the bookstore was lax in enforcement and nobody from the AD's Office nor Compliance checked that the progess was kosher. That's where the issue of institutional control came into play. Other students didn't get free books for themselves or their friends so the "extra" books were considered Extra Benefits under the NCAA rules. The student athletes involved supposedly paid of the debt for the books in question.

 

[BGIF]

obviously it doesn't cover books since fsu and bama have gotten in trouble for giving out free books....

Both incidents were well documented in the media.