ND Cancels 2013 Game with Army

[Praytorian]

This is not 1940.Being independent does not help us anymore.It doesnt make us look cool.It doesnt really separate us in anyway except people hating us for thinking we're better than everyone.
Being independent hurts us in the long-run.
The landscape of college football changed a long time ago,and for some reason we never caught up.If we dont do something soon, we will become what most people think we are now, "irrelevant."
With the current changes, if we don't join a conference our program will be done.
I heard the greatest quote today from Herbstreit.
"Yes, Notre Dame gets to keep all the money they get from going to a BCS game by being independent....but when was the last time they made a BCS game?"
I am sick and tired of hearing all of the fanboys on this website that are AFRAID of change.Whatever conference we join will accomodate us. We are the mecca of college football, they will bow down to our demands. If they dont make us the spotlight of their tv coverage, we'll probably get our own PPV coverage or something along that lines.
It gives us a chance to win conference championships.And don't even say that wouldn't be cool.
It allows us to have some amazing rivalries once again.
Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska. Plus we will add big rivalries with Wisconsin and Iowa.
We'll still play our normal 8 games a season against the big10 with the likes of michigan and purdue. And we'll also still probably have 4 non-conference games against teams like Oklahoma and Miami.

There are ZERO reasons not to join the Big10..it is time ladies and gentlemen!!

Are you looking to be liked? Thats what it sounds like. I don't care if people don't like us because we are independent. Guess what, "THEY ALREADY DON'T LIKE US". Is that because we are independent? No, it is because we are the IRISH, and like you said we are the MECCA of CFB. Why else would they try so hard to get us to join even after the umpteen years we have not done as well as others?

If we schedule tough teams the way they used to do it (AND WIN) we will never become irrelevant. Why do we need a conference? To win a conference championship? Please, while I do agree that would be a little cool, what does it get us in terms of another National Championship? Nothing. The way it has been for Notre Dame is NC or bust.
Ohh we won the confence championship, but still didn't get to play for the NC. It not because were independent that we didn't play in a BCS bowl, it is because we did not play well enough to.

Call me FANBOY all you want, I'll be glad to accept that name. I am not afraid of change, I just don't see the need for it. What we need to change is our win/loss record to become relevant again.

You want to restart those rivalries? Schedule them. If they say no then they are scared and boy will the ND fans let the WORLD know about it.

There are 0 reasons to join the Big 10(wannabe16) and the people have said it here for me, you included. We are the Mecca of CFB. We will still be able to recruit nationally.
The money isn't the problem either, we are #2 in terms of revenue.

Why change a good thing unless you are into conformity?
We are ND and we don't need to conform, we need to win.

Pray

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Kansas is pretty worthless to anyone other than Conference USA or the Mountain West. The Big Ten won't touch them with a a 10 foot pole. Basketball doesn't mean anything when it comes to these things. Kansas brings absolutely nothing to the table.

Missouri brings you the St. Louis and Kansas City markets.

Actually, Kansas has an enormous following in the Kansas City market as well. Lawrence is less than an hour from Kansas City, MO, while Columbia is more than two hours.

 

[FrankMA]

I have heard some Mizzou rumors, but not sure if it is wishful thinking of alumni. To me, neither Syracuse nor Rutgers make any sense to me. I understand trying to get into the NY market. I'm just not sure that anyone really cares about either team.

Pitt makes so much sense due to geography and PSU already in (you get both FB and BB with them as well)

WVU makes sense because of its rivarly with Pitt (and you get quality FB and BB)

The last one I'm on the fence about. I was thinking that Louisville would be a good fit from a geographic perspective. But, not so sure if there are better options out there.

Agree, neither Syracuse or Rutgers would make any sense if ND comes. ND has more fans in NY/NJ and New England than either of those teams. ND would bring in the TV market from those areas. Of course, I would rather ND stay independent because of their own TV network. Being on national TV every week is a big recruiting tool for ND in its national recruiting efforts. Losing that would be huge and it would be lost.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I guess I am in the minority here, but I am pretty neutral about the idea of going to the Big Ten. As I said in a different thread, noone knows if ND can stay independent and survive. With this whole super conference thing noone has any idea of how CFB is going to look in 5 or 6 years. Maybe they can and will be fine? But maybe they'll disappear? who knows really? I dont think the idea of Notre Dame becoming irrelevant is true, or ever will be true.

Think about this though. Right now there is not a top 10 team in the country that would not be open to scheduling Notre Dame. Why? exposure, money, hype, media..etc. Here's another reason...bc the top 10 team has a really good shot at BEATING Notre Dame right now. WHEN Brian Kelly turns this program around, and ND is competing for championships 3< years down the road, what school is going to want to schedule a powerful ND team for a OOCG when they have to run a super-conference schedule? ND might be in a better position being mediocre as a independent, rather then a power independent because, with the super-conference schedule why would they want to schedule a powerful ND team where the whole world can see them lose, over Toledo?

Also, it seems with this alignment that the conferences are putting themselves in a position of power and control. The BCS may change..etc and they may decide that ND is not included. Who knows?

I would not mind the big ten move if they could play Ohio State in Florida as a neutral site game. Or Penn State in Philly. Nebraska in Texas. And also keep USC/Navy yearly, and BC every other year.

 

[alaskandomer]

Are you looking to be liked? Thats what it sounds like. I don't care if people don't like us because we are independent. Guess what, "THEY ALREADY DON'T LIKE US". Is that because we are independent? No, it is because we are the IRISH, and like you said we are the MECCA of CFB. Why else would they try so hard to get us to join even after the umpteen years we have not done as well as others?

If we schedule tough teams the way they used to do it (AND WIN) we will never become irrelevant. Why do we need a conference? To win a conference championship? Please, while I do agree that would be a little cool, what does it get us in terms of another National Championship? Nothing. The way it has been for Notre Dame is NC or bust.
Ohh we won the confence championship, but still didn't get to play for the NC. It not because were independent that we didn't play in a BCS bowl, it is because we did not play well enough to.

Call me FANBOY all you want, I'll be glad to accept that name. I am not afraid of change, I just don't see the need for it. What we need to change is our win/loss record to become relevant again.

You want to restart those rivalries? Schedule them. If they say no then they are scared and boy will the ND fans let the WORLD know about it.

There are 0 reasons to join the Big 10(wannabe16) and the people have said it here for me, you included. We are the Mecca of CFB. We will still be able to recruit nationally.
The money isn't the problem either, we are #2 in terms of revenue.

Why change a good thing unless you are into conformity?
We are ND and we don't need to conform, we need to win.

Pray

Well said! Check out the comments on any ESPN article about ND. At least 3/4 of the writers absolutely HATE us. We're never going to get them to love us, but winning will at least shut some of them up. Like you, I see no positive to joining the big 10, and lots of negatives.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Well said! Check out the comments on any ESPN article about ND. At least 3/4 of the writers absolutely HATE us. We're never going to get them to love us, but winning will at least shut some of them up. Like you, I see no positive to joining the big 10, and lots of negatives.

Positives: Guarantees Notre Dame will play legit opponents and won't have to worry about losing opponents like Purdue, Mich, Mich St... Notre Dame could also form new rivalries with teams like OSU.

Not to mention Big-10 academics are top notch and ND could share and obtain information from other Big-10 schools.

 

[Rocket89]

Cancelling the game with Army in 2013 signals to me that Swarbrick wants to keep his options open and schedule a stronger program instead.

Or in other words, he may be planning to stay independent.

There are an awful lot of teams scheduled in the future for Notre Dame. What will happen to those matchups if we join the Big Ten?

Seems like we're in too deep with our schedule. Makes me think we won't make a move until 2013 and that the Big Ten will stay at 12 or 14 for the time being.

 

[johnnykillz]

Positives: Guarantees Notre Dame will play legit opponents and won't have to worry about losing opponents like Purdue, Mich, Mich St... Notre Dame could also form new rivalries with teams like OSU.

Not to mention Big-10 academics are top notch and ND could share and obtain information from other Big-10 schools.

Big 10 schools are superiorly academic? What kinds of information do you propose we share? Like how to get your own television contract which helps nation-wide recruiting? Or how to propose a business agenda to move the College Football Hall of Fame? Negative. Not interested. :banghead2

 

[free bird]

Big 10 schools are superiorly academic? What kinds of information do you propose we share? Like how to get your own television contract which helps nation-wide recruiting? Or how to propose a business agenda to move the College Football Hall of Fame? Negative. Not interested. :banghead2

Research wise, B10 schools are leaps and bounds ahead of Notre Dame. Every Big Ten school is in the exclusive AAU, which is mostly based upon research, and Notre Dame is not. Notre Dame focuses more on their undergrads, and lags behind other research power-house schools in this aspect.

But I sort of get your point, the only schools in the Big Ten that can compete with Notre Dame education wise are Northwestern(NU is probably even be better than ND) and to an extent, Michigan. But for grad school, ND lags behind a lot of Big Ten schools in most aspects.

 

[johnnykillz]

Look guys, I've read the posts about academics and been through a few clinics by BGIF about recruits and academic standards.

Yes NW is a great university. But WE'RE NOT SELLING OUT!

Thanks for the information. Care to talk about the sky being blue for awhile, because I hope that ND being independent will out live us all.

 

[Legacy]

Canceling the Army game in 2013 does not mean we are joining a conference. That's a huge leap in logic that goes counter to the impending Miami 3 game series contract.

What is logical is that Swarbrick is opening up the schedule in order to schedule another strong opponent for a home and home series for an independent Notre Dame.