The game is on the line.....Who ya got?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Picking Brady Quinn perpetuates the myth that he was even close to the same level as Jimmy Clausen.

 

[kmoose]

Picking Brady Quinn perpetuates the myth that he was even close to the same level as Jimmy Clausen.

Oh for Christ's sake.........STFU already!! Quinn may not have had the raw skills that Clausen did, but the kid was a winner!! If Quinn weren't struggling in the NFL, right now, everyone would be loving on him, here.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

He was a winner? What does that mean? Is it because he had an offensive line, a defensive line, and a consistent running game? There was nothing around Clausen and he had the best year for a junior in a pro style system in college football history.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Quinn and Clausen were both great. I thought Clausen was a more accurate passer and Brady was the better athlete. I wish the best for both of them.

 

[jason_h537]

Quinn was a great college QB (and could still end up a solid pro). I definitely have more affection for him than Clausen. With that said Clausen is money in the crunch, Quinn does not have the ability Clausen has. Better leader, friendlier to fans, won more game, but Clausen is the truth

 

[Riddickulous]

Quinn was a great college QB (and could still end up a solid pro). I definitely have more affection for him than Clausen. With that said Clausen is money in the crunch, Quinn does not have the ability Clausen has. Better leader, friendlier to fans, won more game, but Clausen is the truth

This echoes my own thoughts on Brady.

 

[TDHeysus]

....Quinn does not have the ability Clausen has....

Agreed...Quinn had an uncanny knack for avoiding a sack and staying in the pocket to complete a pass. He also, like Clausen, is a good decision maker on the field. Outside of that, I believe Clausen beats Quinn in every other category. I dont think Quinn comes close to Clausen interms of footwork, accuracy, or WR progression.

at least for his junior year, I felt like Clausen had a better command of the game than Quinn did. I feel like Quinn got what he could from the defense, and Clausen took what he wanted.

Dont get me wrong, I think BQ is a really good QB, and given the right situation he will succeed in the NFL. I just think JC is a better talent.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Hopefully Crist is a mix of both of them.

 

[GoldenChild]

Dayne CRIST to Michael FLOYD 2010 and 2011:

2010 CRIST 20 yard TD to FLOYD with a minute to go to beat the Trojans

2011 CRIST throws for 400 yards 5 TDs Notre Dame beats the Texas Long Horns in the National Championship. FLOYD has 150 yards and 2 TDs

I was about to say Crist to Floyd, because Michael Floyd is probably the most talented WR Notre has had since Tim Brown. While, Dayne Crist isn't as talented as Calusen was coming out of high school, he was still a 5 Star Recruit.

 

[CuerVo0220]

This is tough. Clausen has proven himself time and time again last season that he conduct game winning drive. But Tate's route running is what cost us the game against USC this past year. Don't get me wrong, I love Tate and think he's got great skills and great hands. Samardjiza made too many amazing catches in the endzone too count. So how about Jimmy to Samardjiza! No, I guess I would in the end have to go with Jimmy and Tate, you just can't Clausen's skills and confindence when the game is on the line, and Golden has the hands to catch almost anything you throw at him. But either way you go, ND wins!!!!

 

[kmoose]

He was a winner? What does that mean? Is it because he had an offensive line, a defensive line, and a consistent running game? There was nothing around Clausen and he had the best year for a junior in a pro style system in college football history.

I'm wondering if anyone else has taken note of your opinion of Michael Floyd, Kyle Rudolph, and Golden Tate as "nothing"?

 

[jakerbluegold]

Clausen and Tate, and I heart Quinn.

 

[NDinL.A.]

This is tough. Clausen has proven himself time and time again last season that he conduct game winning drive. But Tate's route running is what cost us the game against USC this past year. Don't get me wrong, I love Tate and think he's got great skills and great hands. Samardjiza made too many amazing catches in the endzone too count. So how about Jimmy to Samardjiza! No, I guess I would in the end have to go with Jimmy and Tate, you just can't Clausen's skills and confindence when the game is on the line, and Golden has the hands to catch almost anything you throw at him. But either way you go, ND wins!!!!

I agree, this is a tough call, and you make some good points.

However, I will contest the statement that I put in bold. While Tate's route running was never top-notch nor even decent on most days, his poor route-running did NOT cost us the SC game. The O-line's inability to protect Jimmy in the first half cost us. The defense's inability to cover receivers on simple routes like slants cost us. The defense's inability to pressure their freshman QB cost us (when they did get pressure, he threw the ball to us). And most importantly, the defense's inability to tackle on 3rd down cost us (see: Harrison Smith vs. Anthony McCoy, or as I like to call it, David vs. Goliath, without the slingshot)...

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I'm wondering if anyone else has taken note of your opinion of Michael Floyd, Kyle Rudolph, and Golden Tate as "nothing"?

Well there was a reason why I didn't mention targets because it goes without saying that both QBs had great receivers. The difference is that Clausen didn't have someone like Ryan Harris blocking for him, Darius Walker in the backfield with him, or Victor Abiamiri, Derek Landry, and Chinedum Ndukwe on defense.

 

[kmoose]

Well there was a reason why I didn't mention targets because it goes without saying that both QBs had great receivers. The difference is that Clausen didn't have someone like Ryan Harris blocking for him, Darius Walker in the backfield with him, or Victor Abiamiri, Derek Landry, and Chinedum Ndukwe on defense.

Quinn didn't have near the receivers that Clausen had. Stovall, Samardizja, and McKnight were a solid group. But they were nowhere near the level of Tate, Rudolph, and Floyd. You claim that Clausen had the best year of any college junior quarterback, in a pro style system(I have no idea what you are basing this claim on, but even if I disagreed, I would still feel like it was ONE OF THE BEST), but you don't think Clausen had a huge advantage over Quinn, with the receivers that he had?

 

[We_Are_ND]

Remember when choosing between the two, the offensive line, RBs, defense and opponent are the same......



Still very interesting.....I sent a mass text to all my friends who are in no way shape or form ND fans (all Ohio St. or Michigan) and the majority said Quinn to Samardjiza.......ha.

 

[Riddickulous]

Quinn didn't have near the receivers that Clausen had. Stovall, Samardizja, and McKnight were a solid group. But they were nowhere near the level of Tate, Rudolph, and Floyd. You claim that Clausen had the best year of any college junior quarterback, in a pro style system(I have no idea what you are basing this claim on, but even if I disagreed, I would still feel like it was ONE OF THE BEST), but you don't think Clausen had a huge advantage over Quinn, with the receivers that he had?

Jeff Samardzija was an elite college wide receiver, and most Irish fans (if not all) would argue he was on the level of Golden Tate and Michael Floyd. Rhema and Stovall were not elite receivers, but they were still great targets and (most of the time, at least) reliable when Quinn needed them. John Carlson and Anthony Fasano were great tight ends for Quinn, as well.

 

[CuerVo0220]

I agree, this is a tough call, and you make some good points.

However, I will contest the statement that I put in bold. While Tate's route running was never top-notch nor even decent on most days, his poor route-running did NOT cost us the SC game. The O-line's inability to protect Jimmy in the first half cost us. The defense's inability to cover receivers on simple routes like slants cost us. The defense's inability to pressure their freshman QB cost us (when they did get pressure, he threw the ball to us). And most importantly, the defense's inability to tackle on 3rd down cost us (see: Harrison Smith vs. Anthony McCoy, or as I like to call it, David vs. Goliath, without the slingshot)...

Good points. Maybe I shouln't have said cost us the game. I should have said cost us an opportunity to win the game.

 

[kmoose]

Jeff Samardzija was an elite college wide receiver, and most Irish fans (if not all) would argue he was on the level of Golden Tate and Michael Floyd. Rhema and Stovall were not elite receivers, but they were still great targets and (most of the time, at least) reliable when Quinn needed them. John Carlson and Anthony Fasano were great tight ends for Quinn, as well.

And you, and all of the others, would be wrong. Samardzija was a great receiver, but he was nowhere near the level of Tate or Floyd. Samardzija had great hands, ran great routes, and had good speed after the catch. Tate and Floyd have great hands, run great routes, and have exceptional speed after the catch. The biggest difference? Tate and Floyd will probably both be 1 receivers, in the NFL. Samardzija probably would have been the 2 or 3 receiver, on just about any NFL team. Carlson and Fasano were great tight ends, true, but they didn't have the speed and running ability, after the catch, that Rudolph has.