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Not even a shot? Jeez.
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What a way to lose. Dammit.
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Hell of a game. Crappy way to lose.
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NIT?
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Sad to say hello NIT or even worse unless there is an incredible run
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Hope youre joking with the even worse comment. NIT would love to have ND. Team can play with anybody in the country, just no consistency.
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Yes I was exactly I should of added depends on how we play, like you said I was at the nova Nd game and Nd was firing on all cylinders in the first half, and then came 2nd half defense fell apart, and just a disaster, but I am still not sure on Brey yet
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I know. Team seems to be able to play for 35 mins with anyone is what I should have said. I think this game should buy Brey another year. Playing against a Lville team with much more skill and depth and playing without Gody and losing in double ot? Pretty impressive coaching job.
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And Brey is still a terrible coach.
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They played lights out tonight. They might still have a chance. If it's the NIT and everyone is healthy, they might take it, depending on the officiating.
DAMMIT. BBall officials need to change their MO. I think they get too fired up making hometeam calls and getting the hometeam fans all riled up. I think that gives them an adrenaline rush.
They need to collectively get rid of the Napolean complex.
DAMMIT. BBall officials need to change their MO. I think they get too fired up making hometeam calls and getting the hometeam fans all riled up. I think that gives them an adrenaline rush.
They need to collectively get rid of the Napolean complex.
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And Butler still plays really boring basketball. Neither team is going to win a national championship anytime soon. At least this was entertaining.
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Anyone still think our bench should be getting more time? They played tough, but Cooley, Broghammer, and Brooks combined to play 31 minutes and had 4 points, 6 rebounds and 11 fouls....
I'm fine with just Scott and Peoples coming off the bench for now.
I'm fine with just Scott and Peoples coming off the bench for now.
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Butler has a better chance than Notre Dame and a hell of a lot more teams. And if you find Butler basketball boring it shows how low your basketball IQ is if you don't appreciate defense and good shooting.
The team played great last night. Great effort by everyone. Last night proved that Brey has cost them many games this year. Cooley and Broghammer played good last night. Both had about 5 - 7 minutes of Big East game time coming into last night. Just think if he would have used them 5 - 7 minutes a game. Harangody would have been fresh in the second half of games and maybe some of those close loses would have been wins. Plus they give you more fouls to play with. Let them go in a bang someone around for a minute or two. I also, do not like how we are always without a timeout in the last 30 seconds of a game.
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Cooley and Broghammer comined to play for 29 mins against Louisville. They scored 4 points, had 6 rebounds and committed 10 fouls. They literally offered us nothing offensively, and they are really just less talented and composed Ty Nash's. There is a reason why only Peoples and Scott come off the bench. They'll be fine in 1-2 years, but they should not be getting much PT this year. (Except if Gody, Nash, or Scott are injured)
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Please enlighten me on how the fact that I like a fun, up tempo style of play makes my basketball IQ low, because apparently I am too dumb to understand that.
We all know you dont like Mike Brey and you dont like ND basketball. What is the point of saying the same thing over and over again?
Not really sure what game you were watching because the game I was watching had it's excitability increase exponentially when Brog and Cooley made it in. What's missing from your rant are little facts like 3 blocked shots, 3-4 forced bad shots, good box-outs, good picks, assertiveness and heart. Fouling out against the best center in the Big East hardly implies a poor performance. Especially when our starter did the same thing. Minimum minutes are to blame here. I also haven't seen a player run out and knock heads all year until this game. Check with anyone who knows basketball and they all agree that these two should have seen more playing time from the get-go, and that this game proves that.
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I actually agree with both you and irishfan. They need to learn to play without fouling. They both fouled out in what was probably less than 20 minutes combined of playing time. That is unacceptable. On the contrary, I did like the intensity that they brought to the game, and they both seemed actually interested in playing defense, which was refreshing.
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I'm not saying they were useless out there and I was impressed with how hard they played, but I just don't think they are ready to be playing this year in Big East games. They both seemed a little out of control, but the depth that they were able to add for us without Gody was huge. I just think that if they were deserving of PT then Brey would be playing them. He prefers a 8-man rotation (He has used one just about every year he has been here) and has used a 7-man one this year. I really think that if Broghammer or Cooley were showing more in practice then they would be getting some PT. I do think they will be solid players for us by their sophomore or junior years. I do get what you are saying though.
Two freshmen with negligible PT. They fouled out in 19 mintues and 10 minutes. Nash with 3 years of PT fouled out in 28 minutes. They were guarding Samuels a 260 pound veteran who was parked in the lane and frequently started his shots by planting his back, shoulder or forearm in the defender before he pushed off to start his move. He got called for 3 fouls while drawing more than 20.
Out of 250 team minutes of PT in the game Cooley and Brog had 29 minutes, 11.6% of the PT.
The entire team had 10 steals, Cooley and Brog had 4 of them, 40%.
The 9 ND players pulled down 9 Offensive Boards, Cooley and Brog had 33% them them in 11.6% of the PT. Put another way the 7 veterans playing almost 90% of the minutes had 3 more Off Rebs than the 2 newbies.
They only scored 4 points but they were 3 of 4 from the floor and 0-1 from the line.
Bottom Line
- Without Cooley and Brog there would have been no OT. They kept ND in the game.
- They didn't miss the key Free Throws that would have won the game.
- They didn't play Samuels any worse then the veterans did.
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I like ND basketball. I do not like Brey. ND is my number 2 team, but Brey has destroyed this program with teaching this style of defense. There is nothing wrong with up-tempo basketball, but bad defense is no fun to watch at all.
Scary to think that Samuels is only a soph... Looks like Louisville found their Harangody.
Scout.com: 2009 Louisville Roster
Scout.com: 2009 Louisville Roster
You can't get better on the bench. A coach can't help you improve any part of your game unless he see you play. Practice is great. It is for working on the game plan and improving your playings. Brog and Cooley may turn out to be no better than the Ross twins, but they or any other member of the bench can't improve or work on their game without knowing what to work on and how to handle game situations. Brog last foul was bad, but that came from lack of college game experience not because he is a bad player. He probably made that same type of play in HS ball and created something positive because he may have been the best player on the floor.
I didn't realize that. Two and done??? We can hope.
Brey's gonna have to park a dump truck in the lane next year. Samuels will push anything smaller out of the way.