Should ND Play in Big 10 or Big East

[JKhrome1ND]

Ok im new here, but i've been wondering something for awhile now, i would love for Notre Dame Football to join the Big East or the Big 10, but (i may be novice about this) i know there's alot of money around this situation.......TV deals, Sponors etc....etc.....but i was thinking the other day how cool it would be if ND played in either conference. I dont know if im posting this in the right section, but i'll do it anyways and if you Mod's like to put it in the right thread, thats cool.

Here's a look at the Big East (if i was in charge of that conference) for one go and strong arm ND to play football here, since all there other sports already do. some how trade South Florida to the ACC for Boston College, BC in the ACC makes no sense to me and USF being in the Big East makes no sense to me. I would also go after Memphis (Tenn.), Marshall (W.V.) because they dont belong in CUSA IMO they belong in the Big East, also i would just go get Army (Mary.) and Navy (N.Y.). Might as well make the Independent go away or atleast make it a conference for D-I AA schools to come up to and i would get rid of either Cincy or Pitt to the Big Ten. the conference would look like this................................(A) Notre Dame, West Virginia, Louisville, Navy, Memphis, Marshall (B) Rutgers, Connecticut, Boston College, Syracuse and either Cincinnati or Pittsburgh.

Here's a look at the Big 10 (if i was in charge of the conference). Its pretty easy if i didnt get ND to play for us, i would go after Cincy, Pitt, Rutgers or Temple. But if i did get ND to play in are conference i would make it like this..................(A) Notre Dame, Illinios, Wisconson, Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, (B) Michigan, Ohio St., Michigan St., Penn. St., Indiana, Purdue.

i could be way off..............but i really like the 12 team conference style. So i hope ND will eventually get into one, i think if they where able to play for a Conference Championship it would help them big time. Also they will still be able to have there rival games against non-conference teams like USC, Washington, Standofrd, UCLA, (Pitt, Navy, BC, if they join Big 10) and (Mich, Mich ST, Purd, Ind, if they join Big East). with there non- conference games


What do you think they (ND) should do guys..............join the Big East, join the Big 10, or just stay in the Independents for ever ??????//

 

[IRISHinKC]

Stay independant, too much money and control to be lost by joining a conference.

 

[NDOM]

Join the Big East for christ sake. We are in basketball, why should we be different for football?

 

[BGIF]

...What do you think they (ND) should do guys..............join the Big East, join the Big 10, or just stay in the Independents for ever ??????//

It's your poll. Are you going to vote?

 

[JKhrome1ND]

It's your poll. Are you going to vote?

just did, i voted for them to join the Big East, but i doubt its going to happen, i wouldnt mind them joining the Big 10 either. But i doubt ND will join either conference...............ND is making alot of money right now being an Independents.

Join the Big East for christ sake. We are in basketball, why should we be different for football?

agreed

 

[IrishChris209]

Join the Big East for christ sake. We are in basketball, why should we be different for football?

One word MONEY

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Join the Big Ten.

 

[alaskandomer]

Stay Independent

Stay Independent

Forget the money. The Big East just isn't a good fit for football, and ND's institutional memory is too long for us to join the Big 10+1. The only way I could ever see it happening is for ND to be in a division which includes Michigan, MSU and Purdue, and for only games against the 5 teams in one's division to count as conference games. This would still allow ND to schedule 7 non-conference games . That said, football independence is so much a part of the ND identity, I can't see it happening.

 

[JKhrome1ND]

I do like the way they are able to schedule there games against all there rivals every year. USC, Stanford, Pittsbrugh, Navy, Boston College, Michigan, Purdue, Michigan St., and Washington. thats always cool.

I would like to see Notre Dame play some old rivals from the passed like instate rival Indiana, and maybe some games against Florida St., Ohio St., Penn. St............those would be fun to watch. I also like the whole ND vs UCLA thing they had going (2 years back to back).

 

[condoms SUCk]

Stay Independent!!

I read an article about this a few weeks back, can’t remember were but it discussed what would happen or could happen if ND went to a conference. Here are just some of the points I remember.

1). ND would lose control their scheduling , they would keep the ND-USC game in all likely hood but ND could not go and play teams like Utah, Tenn, Wash, Stanford, Oklahoma, Miami, FSU, ect. They would be very limited on who and where they could play. I doubt we would be playing in Yankee Stadium next year.
2). ND is a national school not a regional school, so ND would be cutting off their fan base (by not going across the nation to play), and $$$$ by not playing the aforementioned teams.
3). Over time ND would be like an Ohio St., Florida and such, which is not bad, but there would be no distinction anymore. Or ND could become a football history rich version of Northwestern, again nothing wrong with Northwestern. ND would not be ND and that is not acceptable to the big wigs that control the school, or the diehard fan base.
4). If you’re a sheep, be wary of the wolf that trying to help you out. All we hear from the haters is how ND thinks they are so much better than everyone else and they should just join a conference, this is all in the name of good will. Why would these ND haters want to try to help ND out? Umm I have the answer, they don’t. They hate ND b/c we are different and they can’t stand it, so a way to destroy ND football would be to marginalize it, one brick at a time. As someone sweet avatar once proclaimed, Haters are gonna hate.
5). This is my own opinion. Folks say that ND can’t win a NC b/c they can’t get recruits, the whole independent thing. Kids now want to play in conference championships. ND’s academic standards are too high; they can’t the best talent in to the school. ND’s class requirements are too hard, football player can’t take ballroom dancing, for instance.
Here’s the one thing guys, I want all those road blocks, hurdles, obstacles, barriers, whatever you want to call them. Because I want to in a NC with all that, so we can talk trash to other schools that have a graduation rate of below 40%, schools where their football players take napping and picture drawing as a class for higher learning, schools where they have to hand out 50 scholarships a year in hopes that at least 20 of those recruits get accepted. Schools where sports are first and academic integrity play second fiddle. Yes, I want all those trials and tribulations so we can all look all those haters in the eye and say that ND did it the RIGHT way, we did it the way it is SUPOSE to be done.

 

[alaskandomer]

Amen

Amen

Stay Independent!!

I read an article about this a few weeks back, can’t remember were but it discussed what would happen or could happen if ND went to a conference. Here are just some of the points I remember.

1). ND would lose control their scheduling , they would keep the ND-USC game in all likely hood but ND could not go and play teams like Utah, Tenn, Wash, Stanford, Oklahoma, Miami, FSU, ect. They would be very limited on who and where they could play. I doubt we would be playing in Yankee Stadium next year.
2). ND is a national school not a regional school, so ND would be cutting off their fan base (by not going across the nation to play), and $$$$ by not playing the aforementioned teams.
3). Over time ND would be like an Ohio St., Florida and such, which is not bad, but there would be no distinction anymore. Or ND could become a football history rich version of Northwestern, again nothing wrong with Northwestern. ND would not be ND and that is not acceptable to the big wigs that control the school, or the diehard fan base.
4). If you’re a sheep, be wary of the wolf that trying to help you out. All we hear from the haters is how ND thinks they are so much better than everyone else and they should just join a conference, this is all in the name of good will. Why would these ND haters want to try to help ND out? Umm I have the answer, they don’t. They hate ND b/c we are different and they can’t stand it, so a way to destroy ND football would be to marginalize it, one brick at a time. As someone sweet avatar once proclaimed, Haters are gonna hate.
5). This is my own opinion. Folks say that ND can’t win a NC b/c they can’t get recruits, the whole independent thing. Kids now want to play in conference championships. ND’s academic standards are too high; they can’t the best talent in to the school. ND’s class requirements are too hard, football player can’t take ballroom dancing, for instance.
Here’s the one thing guys, I want all those road blocks, hurdles, obstacles, barriers, whatever you want to call them. Because I want to in a NC with all that, so we can talk trash to other schools that have a graduation rate of below 40%, schools where their football players take napping and picture drawing as a class for higher learning, schools where they have to hand out 50 scholarships a year in hopes that at least 20 of those recruits get accepted. Schools where sports are first and academic integrity play second fiddle. Yes, I want all those trials and tribulations so we can all look all those haters in the eye and say that ND did it the RIGHT way, we did it the way it is SUPOSE to be done.

I'm with you. When ND beat Alabama for the '73 NC, there was a byline in the next morning's newspaper that said "God's in His Heaven, all's right with the world, Notre Dame is #1 again." When that day comes again, we'll know we did it our way.

 

[OchoShayneO]

Stay Independent!!

I read an article about this a few weeks back, can’t remember were but it discussed what would happen or could happen if ND went to a conference. Here are just some of the points I remember.

1). ND would lose control their scheduling , they would keep the ND-USC game in all likely hood but ND could not go and play teams like Utah, Tenn, Wash, Stanford, Oklahoma, Miami, FSU, ect. They would be very limited on who and where they could play. I doubt we would be playing in Yankee Stadium next year.
2). ND is a national school not a regional school, so ND would be cutting off their fan base (by not going across the nation to play), and $$$$ by not playing the aforementioned teams.
3). Over time ND would be like an Ohio St., Florida and such, which is not bad, but there would be no distinction anymore. Or ND could become a football history rich version of Northwestern, again nothing wrong with Northwestern. ND would not be ND and that is not acceptable to the big wigs that control the school, or the diehard fan base.
4). If you’re a sheep, be wary of the wolf that trying to help you out. All we hear from the haters is how ND thinks they are so much better than everyone else and they should just join a conference, this is all in the name of good will. Why would these ND haters want to try to help ND out? Umm I have the answer, they don’t. They hate ND b/c we are different and they can’t stand it, so a way to destroy ND football would be to marginalize it, one brick at a time. As someone sweet avatar once proclaimed, Haters are gonna hate.
5). This is my own opinion. Folks say that ND can’t win a NC b/c they can’t get recruits, the whole independent thing. Kids now want to play in conference championships. ND’s academic standards are too high; they can’t the best talent in to the school. ND’s class requirements are too hard, football player can’t take ballroom dancing, for instance.
Here’s the one thing guys, I want all those road blocks, hurdles, obstacles, barriers, whatever you want to call them. Because I want to in a NC with all that, so we can talk trash to other schools that have a graduation rate of below 40%, schools where their football players take napping and picture drawing as a class for higher learning, schools where they have to hand out 50 scholarships a year in hopes that at least 20 of those recruits get accepted. Schools where sports are first and academic integrity play second fiddle. Yes, I want all those trials and tribulations so we can all look all those haters in the eye and say that ND did it the RIGHT way, we did it the way it is SUPOSE to be done.

Hell yea

 

[irishtrain]

may we never

may we never

The conference that would get Notre Dame has a pelt that would really make them shudder with glee, it aint happening though as Notre Dame is the one left standing that they cant control. Texas was first in revenue this year at 119mil then it was Notre Dame at 109mil. Thats Notre Dame at 6/6 with all the negative pub and media distain. Notre Dame does not need to water down the brand by being absorbed into a conference. We would become PennSt or Northwestern, there is a certain amount of idenity that a conference can never give you when your are the last major independent. When Notre Dame wins (and they will win again) it will all be a mute point. It bothers the rest of college football that Notre Dame is not under their control. Keith Jackson expressed this with distain when the BCS was first implemented by asking the question just what is Notre Dame a corporation or a brand. They do not like Notre Dame out there doing whats right for Notre Dame with no control by a conference.

 

[Legacy]

Stay Independent

Stay Independent



Here's a nice article summarizing some of the arguments for joining a conference - and reasoning against them.

A Match Made in Purgatory: Notre Dame and the Big Ten | Bleacher Report

Consider that contracts for TV with NBC through 2015 and future scheduled games have to be honored. Here are future Irish schedules through 2013 (9 games already scheduled). HikeND.com - Notre Dame Football Future Schedules

Purdue is scheduled through 2021, Michigan State through 2025, Michigan through 2031. Pittsburgh is scheduled through 2016. Army and Syracuse are scheduled in 2014 and 2016. Arizona State is scheduled in 2017. Navy and USC will always be scheduled with both on schedules through 2016.

Realistically, if ND stopped scheduling now, the Irish could not join the Big Ten until 2017. If the Big East stayed at eight teams plus ND, the Irish could join in 2018. But the Big East would probably want to expand towards twelve teams in football.

 

[IrishAddiction]

I voted for the so elegantly worded "or just stay in the Independents".

We wanted to join the big ten in the 1920s and 30s. THEY REJECTED us. So screw them. That and the fact that big ten football sucks donkey balls.

Big east?.....the crappiest BSC conference out there.

We stay independent, we stay unique, and we stay Notre Dame football.

 

[CarolinaDomer]

I voted join the Big East.

Notre Dame already is a Big East team in basketball. I think if you're in one conference for one sport, then you should be for them all.

It'd be ridiculous having Clemson (i'm from SC) in the ACC for baseball and the SEC or Independent for football.

 

[OchoShayneO]

I voted for the so elegantly worded "or just stay in the Independents".

We wanted to join the big ten in the 1920s and 30s. THEY REJECTED us. So screw them. That and the fact that big ten football sucks donkey balls.

Big east?.....the crappiest BSC conference out there.

We stay independent, we stay unique, and we stay Notre Dame football.

Thats rite!

 

[CarolinaDomer]

If Notre Dame did join the Big East, I think they could win it. Meaning BCS bowl at least every other year.

 

[jakerbluegold]

One word MONEY

I'm alright Jack, keep your hands offa my stack.

Couldn't resist.

 

[alleycat9]

heres my issue. notre dame is in a special situation to schedule amazing teams EVERY single week. back in the day when we played miami, florida state, penn state, tennessee.... even byu.we had one of the toughest schedules around and it was amazing.

NOW with the way the bcs is setup and the way that swarbrick and weis went we scheduled garbage week after week outside of the traditional games that you just cant get away from.

notre dame has to get away from scheduling these crap games like nevada and wsu and get back to putting a great product on the field every week. IF notre dame can do that they will have a HUGE edge on every other conference out there.

i highly doubt that nbc is paying notre dame as much as they are to see them play nevada and a half a big east schedule.

 

[CarolinaDomer]

The problem is... right now, Notre Dame has to schedule those "crap" teams to compete.

They lost to UConn, Pitt, and Navy.

I mean, that's 2 Big East teams and a fellow Indy.

 

[irish0227]

joining the big east is the worst thaught ever they are bottomfeeders of the BCS confrences and the Big 10 is a close second

 

[BGIF]

joining the big east is the worst thaught ever they are bottomfeeders of the BCS confrences and the Big 10 is a close second

That's actually the prinicipal advantage of joining the Big East.

Joining the ACC added 2-3 wins per season for Bowden and the Noles.

 

[JKhrome1ND]

back in the day when we played miami, florida state, penn state, tennessee.... even byu.

Man i sure would like to see us play those old rivals again !!!

 

[BGIF]

heres my issue. notre dame is in a special situation to schedule amazing teams EVERY single week. back in the day when we played miami, florida state, penn state, tennessee.... even byu.we had one of the toughest schedules around and it was amazing.

NOW with the way the bcs is setup and the way that swarbrick and weis went we scheduled garbage week after week outside of the traditional games that you just cant get away from.

notre dame has to get away from scheduling these crap games like nevada and wsu and get back to putting a great product on the field every week. IF notre dame can do that they will have a HUGE edge on every other conference out there.

i highly doubt that nbc is paying notre dame as much as they are to see them play nevada and a half a big east schedule.

Sigh! So much misinformation.

In the day of 85 scholarships and the BCS scheduling like that is stupid.

In '88 ND played 3 ranked teams in the regular season and won an NC. The next year ND played 6 ranked teams in the regular season and beat #1 in the Orange Bowl. ND beat something like 7 out of 8 conference champions and got an attaboy for finishing second.
I guess we're not supposed to mention the 59-6 pummeling of SMU coming off the death penalty as "all" our game were against tough opponents in our selective memory.

In the early days of the BCS tough scheduling still meant sense as SOS was a key component of the BCS formula. The SEC whined "our conference is soooo hard. It's not fair to us." So the BCS revamped the formula a copy of times to downplay Strength of Schedule in favor of wins. Wins over anybody. You would have thought if their conference was soooo tough the SEC would have fought to make SOS the #1 criteria as it would give them a distinct edge. Instead they split their conference into 2 Divisions broke up tradional rivalry games like Alabama Tennessee, know in the South as The Third Saturday in Novemeber to mimimize losses among their better teams and replaced those heavy weight battles not with Ouf of Conference foes like OSU and USC but with Southeast Louisiana and Northeast Louisiana. That created extra home games and more revenue for the big boys.

Swarbrick and Weis scheduled garbage ??? What schedule did Swarbrick and Weis put together? Go ahead list the games.

"Notre Dame has to get away from crap games like nevada and wsu". Do you know how they got on the schedule?

Please explain how ND will have a "huge edge on every conference out there" by playing a suicide schedule? And while your at feel free to list the week in week out tough schedules that Rockne and Parshegian played. They didn't!

"i highly doubt that nbc is paying notre dame as much as they are to see them play nevada and a half a big east schedule"

Half a Big East scheudle? When did ND start playing 5 Big East games?

You apparently have forgotten that the Big East didn't have a football conference until 1991. OF course ND has played Pittsburgh more times than only 4 other opponents and it has nothing to do with conference affiliation. Boston College, a former Big East team became a regular opponent under Holtz. Shame on Lou for dropping Miami, right? Uh, it was Swarbrick, Weis, or Holtz. It was Malloy and the ND Administration that wanted Miami off the schedule.

Rutgers came back on the ND schedule in '96 after 75 years. Damn that was Holtz too. Funny but I remember ND fans enjoying a couple of punt return TDs in the 62-0 blowout. Nobody was complaining then about a Big East opponent.

If anything NBC would like to see a winning ND on the field regardless of who the opponent is.