Kelly's Recruiting Skills

[fightinirish68]

im just sayin BK is not a proven recruiter. in 18 yrs he only pulls in 3****'s. im not knockin on him. i like the hire. im just stating tha facts that hes not a good recruiter based on the star system. like i said like 3 posts ago. stars dont always portray how the players play. so he could pull in players like gilyard who wasnt good coming out of hs on the star system and turned him into a national name

 

[vinnymac2402]

im just sayin BK is not a proven recruiter. in 18 yrs he only pulls in 3****'s. im not knockin on him. i like the hire. im just stating tha facts that hes not a good recruiter based on the star system. like i said like 3 posts ago. stars dont always portray how the players play. so he could pull in players like gilyard who wasnt good coming out of hs on the star system and turned him into a national name

U also have to look at the unversity that he was the coach at 1 d2 school, 1 midmajor school in cmu, and finally cinny theses school are nationally known and very hard to get talent 2 come there, know look at his recent recruiting has pulled in quite a few 4 stars granted no 5 but he had matt james considering them. it takes alot more time and effort to recruit for these smaller school than say osu or usc. one thing for sure bk can find the diamond in the rough prospect plus hopefully be able to take the team of 4 and 5 star recuits and make them football player

 

[KPENN]

im just sayin BK is not a proven recruiter. in 18 yrs he only pulls in 3****'s. im not knockin on him. i like the hire. im just stating tha facts that hes not a good recruiter based on the star system. like i said like 3 posts ago. stars dont always portray how the players play. so he could pull in players like gilyard who wasnt good coming out of hs on the star system and turned him into a national name

You cant be serious about his recruiting. He coached at frickin central michigan a mac school and when he got to cincy a middle to bottom of the pack big east team.

 

[fightinirish68]

i said statistically man. and u think im the only one mentioning his lack luster in recruiting? read any article talkin about kelly to notre dame. most key phrases are basically summed u to "well good thing notre dame traditionally and academically recruits great players". im not sayin hes a terrible recruite im just saying statistically he hasnt been that good

 

[NDinL.A.]

i said statistically man. and u think im the only one mentioning his lack luster in recruiting? read any article talkin about kelly to notre dame. most key phrases are basically summed u to "well good thing notre dame traditionally and academically recruits great players". im not sayin hes a terrible recruite im just saying statistically he hasnt been that good

You can't call it 'lackluster' recruiting when you're at places like Grand Central Michigan and Cincy. YOU WILL NOT GET 4 AND 5 STAR RECRUITS THERE, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE. Losing out on studs to Ohio State and Penn State does not mean you are lackluster in recruiting, it means you are at Cincy and you aren't going to pull those types of players from proven powerhouses. It's that simple. And, if you look at where his recruiting was going, it was on the upswing. He was starting to get a few 4 star guys, which is unheard of at Cincy. I

Now, if he comes to ND and throws up Ty type numbers, then yes, it's absolutely fair to call him lackluster. But at this point in his career? That's completely unfair...

 

[fightinirish68]

your choosin what you want to read from my post. are you trying to argue the fact that STATISTICALLY he was not a proven recruiter?

 

[IrishInFl]

your choosin what you want to read from my post. are you trying to argue the fact that STATISTICALLY he was not a proven recruiter?

You're not choosing to read from my post statistically. Kelly brought 4* players to a school that has never had a 4*, plus has recruited players to his previous teams. He must have done at least a decent job recruiting at GVSU, as they won national championships and several conference championships. He recruited Dan LeFevour to CMU. You're throwing Kelly away as a recruiter before he even got the chance to recruit at a school that is easier to get top recruits.

 

[fightinirish68]

dan was a 2star comin outta hs. but that goes back to my original post where i said stars dont always show their true talent. i go to the university of memphis and even tommy west can pull in a 4 star every now and then and we have to battle all the sec schools for players so you would think a much more prestigious coach than tommy west could pull one in. like i said i love the hire and im not trying to knock on him, but he hasnt been a great recruiter sub par at best, and i get what your sayin with oh hes at cinci who wants to go there with osu and penn st around but i think hes more into developing players because thats what he really seems to be good at is takin the 3 stars and turning them to great players bc look at dan lefevour and marshawn gilyard.

will he succeed with recruiting at notre dame? yeah probably so . but also students want to come here to without much persuasion because of the spot light of being notre dame. so i think hes recruiting here is going to be so so next year. thats just my opinion on it

 

[49er-Irish]

your choosin what you want to read from my post. are you trying to argue the fact that STATISTICALLY he was not a proven recruiter?

I'll argue that one.

If you look at the number of 4*/3*/2* players brought in to Cincinnati and the average star rankings of the recruiting class as a whole, then statistically speaking, Kelly did a pretty good job. The star rankings are per Rivals.

2003 - 0/1/21, avg of 2.05 stars
2004 - 0/1/15, avg of 2.06 stars
2005 - 0/1/24, avg of 2.04 stars
2006 - 0/1/18, avg of 2.05 stars

Brian Kelly was hired in December of 2006 so the 2007 class is a partial Kelly class.

2007 - 0/6/16, avg of 2.27
2008 - 0/6/18, avg of 2.25
2009 - 2/8/15, avg of 2.48
2010 - 1/11/2, avg of 2.93

You would have to think that Kelly would've finished off the 2010 class with better numbers following a trip to the Sugar Bowl.

And for the argument that Kelly still wasn't pulling in 5* guys to Cincinnati, it just doesn't happen at Cincinnati and hardly happens in the Big East. From the 2007-2010 recruiting classes the Big East landed four 5* players: Noel Devine in '07 by WV, Jonathon Baldwin in '08 by PITT, Woodny Turenne in '07 by Louisville, and Mike Ford in '07 by USF.

 

[fightinirish68]

Since taking over for Mark D'antonio for the 2006 International Bowl his current class which ranks 44th according to Rivals.com is the highest rated class he has had.

44th..i guess its in the upper half but really 44? is that proven respectable class?

 

[49er-Irish]

Since taking over for Mark D'antonio for the 2006 International Bowl his current class which ranks 44th according to Rivals.com is the highest rated class he has had.

44th..i guess its in the upper half but really 44? is that proven respectable class?

Yes, that's a very respectable class at Cincinnati.

The final recruting rankings for Cincinnati since 2003: 92, 80, 94, 102, (Insert Kelly partially for '07) 89, 67, 60, 53. I see Cincinnati's 2010 class ranked at 53 on Rivals rather than 44.

You just can't compare recruiting at Cincinnati to ND. Imagine if ND was undefeated this year and playing Florida in the Sugar Bowl. Now imagine a 4* tackle named Matt James, local South Bend kid, is having a hard time choosing between Cincinnati and ND. Hard to imagine isn't it.

 

[fightinirish68]

i know the difference i just see it as recruiting is the 2nd biggest part of his job and hes dominated the 1st priority which is winning. but i think hes lacking in the recruiting.

 

[General Colon Bowel]

Mark D'antonio gets top 20 classes at MSU and Brian Kelly has been a better recruiter during his Cincy years. I think Kelly will do just fine at ND

 

[fightinirish68]

also the school he is at will help him recruit better too. thats like what i was saying with bk is that he will recruit better at ND bc the school recruits itself basically. idk whats wrong with state. they always seem to start good then hit a bump and go down hill from there.

 

[DKSchrute]

I think if we learned something in the last 5 years it is to completely flush those recruiting services down the toilet.

We need to drop this crap. Im guilty of it as bad as anybody.

Lets face facts. Weis best team was Willinghams "crap recruits" and the shiney 4 and 5 star Weis guys were 6-6 and lucky to be that.

If you think about it, the NFL drafts 1st round has appx a 50% success rate and that is defined as a contributor to the team.

So how in the hell are the high school kids rated with any reliability if guys with millions of dollars on the line are working at a 50/50 clip?

 

[irishlaw77]

also the school he is at will help him recruit better too. thats like what i was saying with bk is that he will recruit better at ND bc the school recruits itself basically. idk whats wrong with state. they always seem to start good then hit a bump and go down hill from there.

Here's what happened to State

 

[irishtrain]

He'll do fine if he wins, remember he's never recruited at a name place before. I expect some losses on recruiting this year but his legacy will be can he win. The recruits will come after he shows them he can win. Charlie left enough for a good start.

 

[Junkhead]

We all got on the recruiting band wagon, thinking we needed top classes to win. In fact, I think as long as we can be top 15 or so most years, we should be fine. With all due respect I don't think Weis would have gotten us anywhere near the NC game, even with 10 straight #1 classes, so as far as I'm concerned, I'm stepping back from worrying so much about recruiting. (trying anyway)

 

[brownkj002]

anyone have urban's recruiting stats before he got to uf? i think bk will be just fine.

 

[jason_h537]

anyone have urban's recruiting stats before he got to uf? i think bk will be just fine.

Uraban has experience as a recruiter. Remember hewas a WR coach at ND. Kelly has never been in a poition wherehehas to compete across the country for recruits

 

[OCIrish]

anyone have urban's recruiting stats before he got to uf? i think bk will be just fine.

If you were the HC at Florida, you would be just fine recruiting. If you haven't noticed, Florida is one of the leading states in the union when it comes to producing D-1 talent.

 

[IrishAddiction]

His recruiting went much better than Ty's, even at CMU and Cincy.

His being a unproven recruiter isnt a problem until it is proven he is a bad recruiter. Until then, dont tread in the bullshit flying around here.

I can tell you one thing he is proven in, he wins. That is the most important trait in any coach. Period. That alone should help bring the recruits in.

NSD is 2 months away, we will sign a solid but not #1 class. Thats almost expected, we had a coaching change, and recruits are lost in times like that. Many recruits are sticking, cudos to CW and company for that. Quit worrying.

 

[NDisme]

this was imo a pointless argument from fightinirsh68, because yea statistically, kelly didn't bring in top ten classes at cmu and cincy but what school he is recruiting at and the stats of recruiting go hand in hand.

 

[IrishinSyria]

this was imo a pointless argument from fightinirsh68, because yea statistically, kelly didn't bring in top ten classes at cmu and cincy but what school he is recruiting at and the stats of recruiting go hand in hand.

Agree. The original argument didn't make much sense. The concern for me is not Kelly's ability as a recruiter (this isn't a video game where things like that can be rated) but its his network of connections. It does seem like Charlie Weis and staff had begun building a powerful network, and it is somewhat worrying that it will be dismantled as coaches are cleaned out of South Bend. If Kelly actually plans on bringing in the majority of his staff from Cinci, they're simply not going to have much of a national reach at first.

Notre Dame doesn't have a backyard, it has to steal from everybody's backyard. That's part of the reason why its such a polarizing school. The upside of this is we have a chance with everybody. The downside is we're guaranteed almost nobody, so we have to cast a wide (nationwide) net.

That being said, the man can talk, so once he makes contact with those recruits we're trying to steal, I have no doubt that he will be able to sell the school with the best of them.

 

[Bjvorek]

All I know is that while many of you continue to piss and moan about whether Kelly can recruit or not, Cincinnati is playing in its second straight BCS Bowl game and, if they win, they will likely finish the season ranked #2 in the country.

How's ND been doing lately?

ND football has been insignificant on the national stage for 15 - 20 years and yet you guys continue to whine about whether Kelly can recruit.

Here's a little tip for you guys about the future under Kelly: He's going to do whatever he needs to do with his players in terms of the position they play, how much they play etc in order to win.

When he needed more speed on defense at Cincy, he transitioned two QB's (one being Demetrius Jones) into LB's. He made DB's out of WR's and OL out of DL....

If players don't want to make the change, he doesn't want them on the team...He loves versatility which is why I think he offered Austin Collinsworth. Those of us from the Cincy area who have watched Collinsworth play for the past 3 years know how good, tough and versatile this kid is....

With Kelly, be prepared for the unconventional and sit back and enjoy the wins! Considering the lack of success ND has had over the past 15-20 years, I would think that ND fans would be willing to give anything a try in order to make its way back to the world of significance in College Football...

 

[IrishinSyria]

All I know is that while many of you continue to piss and moan about whether Kelly can recruit or not, Cincinnati is playing in its second straight BCS Bowl game and, if they win, they will likely finish the season ranked #2 in the country.

How's ND been doing lately?

ND football has been insignificant on the national stage for 15 - 20 years and yet you guys continue to whine about whether Kelly can recruit.

Here's a little tip for you guys about the future under Kelly: He's going to do whatever he needs to do with his players in terms of the position they play, how much they play etc in order to win.

When he needed more speed on defense at Cincy, he transitioned two QB's (one being Demetrius Jones) into LB's. He made DB's out of WR's and OL out of DL....

If players don't want to make the change, he doesn't want them on the team...He loves versatility which is why I think he offered Austin Collinsworth. Those of us from the Cincy area who have watched Collinsworth play for the past 3 years know how good, tough and versatile this kid is....

With Kelly, be prepared for the unconventional and sit back and enjoy the wins! Considering the lack of success ND has had over the past 15-20 years, I would think that ND fans would be willing to give anything a try in order to make its way back to the world of significance in College Football...

First of all, its been 3 years since ND has been significant in College Football. No, they haven't been in the NC picture since 1993 (when they shot themselves in the foot and then got screwed) but they've still managed to put some very good teams on the field.

Second, those 3 years of irrelevance have had just as much to do with recruiting problems as they had to do with coaching/player performance/development etc...while ND had some great, highly touted players, it also suffered BADLY in terms of depth...there were giant recruiting holes in positions like dbacks and the lines. While some people are just whining, others are looking at our roster, and seeing some key recruits waiver at positions we need depth at badly...both lines and safety in particular. You can, occasionally, take a busted QB and turn him into an above average linebacker in an average conference, but you can't expect to be able to turn too many players into lineman.

Finally, we are excited about Kelly. But this is a message board. People come here to chat ND football. If we were the players, yea, we'd better focus on getting ourselves prepared and not worry too much about things like recruiting. But, and I can not make myself clear enough on this point, we are not the players. We are almost all die-hard ND fans, and we enjoy bickering/talking with each other about ND football. As long as we keep our disagreements private and civil, care to explain why that's a bad thing?

 

[Bjvorek]

First of all, its been 3 years since ND has been significant in College Football. No, they haven't been in the NC picture since 1993 (when they shot themselves in the foot and then got screwed) but they've still managed to put some very good teams on the field.

Second, those 3 years of irrelevance have had just as much to do with recruiting problems as they had to do with coaching/player performance/development etc...while ND had some great, highly touted players, it also suffered BADLY in terms of depth...there were giant recruiting holes in positions like dbacks and the lines. While some people are just whining, others are looking at our roster, and seeing some key recruits waiver at positions we need depth at badly...both lines and safety in particular. You can, occasionally, take a busted QB and turn him into an above average linebacker in an average conference, but you can't expect to be able to turn too many players into lineman.

Finally, we are excited about Kelly. But this is a message board. People come here to chat ND football. If we were the players, yea, we'd better focus on getting ourselves prepared and not worry too much about things like recruiting. But, and I can not make myself clear enough on this point, we are not the players. We are almost all die-hard ND fans, and we enjoy bickering/talking with each other about ND football. As long as we keep our disagreements private and civil, care to explain why that's a bad thing?

Yes, because you guys have become the microcosm for the typical ND fan and that's unfortunate. You piss and moan like 85 yr old women at a Bridge tournament....and, by the way, ND wasn't significant on the College Football scene 3 years ago...perhaps, signifcant in your minds since it had been a while since the Irish have had a decent team...

 

[OCIrish]

First of all, its been 3 years since ND has been significant in College Football. No, they haven't been in the NC picture since 1993 (when they shot themselves in the foot and then got screwed) but they've still managed to put some very good teams on the field.

Second, those 3 years of irrelevance have had just as much to do with recruiting problems as they had to do with coaching/player performance/development etc...while ND had some great, highly touted players, it also suffered BADLY in terms of depth...there were giant recruiting holes in positions like dbacks and the lines. While some people are just whining, others are looking at our roster, and seeing some key recruits waiver at positions we need depth at badly...both lines and safety in particular. You can, occasionally, take a busted QB and turn him into an above average linebacker in an average conference, but you can't expect to be able to turn too many players into lineman.

Finally, we are excited about Kelly. But this is a message board. People come here to chat ND football. If we were the players, yea, we'd better focus on getting ourselves prepared and not worry too much about things like recruiting. But, and I can not make myself clear enough on this point, we are not the players. We are almost all die-hard ND fans, and we enjoy bickering/talking with each other about ND football. As long as we keep our disagreements private and civil, care to explain why that's a bad thing?

Yes, because you guys have become the microcosm for the typical ND fan and that's unfortunate. You piss and moan like 85 yr old women at a Bridge tournament....and, by the way, ND wasn't significant on the College Football scene 3 years ago...perhaps, signifcant in your minds since it had been a while since the Irish have had a decent team...

As a typical ND fan, let me help you understand better. Whether or not we are in the NC category or not, we are and always be significant. That is why others hate us so much. Pitt and Cincy were playing for the conferances BCS auto bid and all you heard was the ND hc search and BK. Sportscenter ran hourly updates on the HC search, so yeah, we're significant in CFB. "Go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here!"

 

[gmnysdad]

All I know about BK's recruiting is what I have read recently. I have to say that after reading Gaston's comments about this weekend and BK already telling him that he saw what he needs to work on, I am starting to get a little excited.

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

Does anyone on here believe Cincy had more Talent than us this year ?

Does anyone on here believe Cincy had more Talent than us this year ?

Coach Kelly can take what we have here now Crisp,Floyd, Rudolf, Manti,and get what get we need them to do perform consistantly. I love Charlie I do But, This was his recruits that lost to Navy agian !!! I admit I was excited last year on signing day. That lasted to about the michigan game when i soon figured out we didn't have a head coach. I'll take win's and a jan. bowl game over being in rivals top 10 list.