Possible Staff Under Kelly

[JefMaj]

Has to be some concession... limited on number of coaches allowed - so if whole staff comes we lose ours including recruiters.

 

[BGIF]

Originally Posted by mbeckha
Wow we are really develpoing a great staff that none of the these kids have ever heard of, hope it works for kelly sake, He wont get long to prove himself.

ridiculous statements.

No reasonable statements.

A ridiculous statement is mocking another poster in a thread on coordinators and assistants then establisihing your ignorance by bragging, "I cant name 5 college coordinators right now and I watch 3 games a week minimum".

That's a minimum of a 130 hours of game watching per season with little to show for it. Much less how many hours you spend on internet chat boards.

Each week of the season for 5 years Weis reviewed the next opponent in a press conference and discussed their coordianators. We've had considerable discussion on this board preseason and leading up to the UW and USC games over the effect of Carroll losing both coordinators (Sarksian and Holt) to UW. I recall discussion on the Robinson going from SYR head coach to UM DC. BC replaced both coordinators going into '09. PU replaced their DC. Jimbo Fisher, Mickey Andrews, Luke Fickel, Carl Pellini, Jay Norvell, Brent Venables, Galen Hall, Gus Malzahn, Rocky Seto, Luke Applewhite, Monte Kiffin, Will Muschamp don't ring any bells in your 130 hours of "watching"? Kiffin and Muschamp each bring down about $1 million a year as assistants.

 

[BGIF]

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Nobody heard of Urban Meyer when Utah hired him, Stoops when Oklahoma hired him. These guys werent just born big names. They won at steadily increasing levels of competition and became the big names they are. ...

Nobody heard of Urban Meyer before Utah?

Did you just start following football in the past 2 years?

When did you become an ND fan or are you?

Meyer was the ND WR coach from '96 to '00. He was highy thought of and it was considered a significant loss when he jumped from WR coach to Bowling Green HC. BG wasn't the only school pursuing him.

Meyer and Stoops both had increasing levels of experience but both were widely recognized for their accomplishments at those levels.

 

[BGIF]

Why does it seem like we are gonna end up with Cinci's entire staff? Is Kelly not going to try and at least interview potential DC candidates

One of the benefits of hiring a college coach over a NFL assistant is he brings a cadre of coaches with him and only has to supplement a few positions to have a HIS staff ready to go.

Weis's assistants had to introduce themselves to each other. They may have had some relationships over the years but not day to day familiarity with the head coach, his system, his style of doing things, his way of teaching, his way of discipline, his way of communicating.

People talk about USC problems this year due to losing some key players. A bigger problem was losing both coordinators, Sarkisian and Holt, who made a significant impact at UW in their first year. The left and right hands working together not upstaging each other or jockeying for position.

Hopefully Kelly will retain some ND assistants for continuity in player relationship and recruiting. Many new head coaches, managers, CEO's aren't comfortable with the predecessor's key people and want to chose their own team. Ara brought Pagna with him. Holtz made significant changes. Davie kept Meyer, Doll, Chmiel, McMahon, and Strong from Holtz's team. Willingham only kept Mattison from Davie's staff and he moved on eventually. Weis clean house but brought no one with him.

 

[BGIF]

Why would we not want Cincy's entire staff? ...

Because there's always a weakest link. Were all of Kelly's team his first choice? With a bigger payroll and a more prestigous gig Kelly can now offer better caliber coaches that wouldn't have considered UC but might want to work at ND on a national stage. It looks damn good on a resume

 

[BGIF]

Has to be some concession... limited on number of coaches allowed - so if whole staff comes we lose ours including recruiters.

NCAA allows 9 assistant coaches (field coaches including RC), GA's and Strength Coach aren't in that number.

It strikes me as foolish if Kelly was to bring his whole team. I've got to believe there's somebody on Weis staff who's superior to somebody on his staff and then there's all those other assistants out as well as HS coaches or NFL assistants who could bolster the staff.

 

[BCSorBust]

Martin did not announce today that he would be leaving GVSU at the team meetings. My guess then is he's not going but you never know what can change if they choose to modify their offer. Sorry guys I thought I would have news to share but it appears everything did not work out like they had hoped.

 

[jason_h537]

Whoa BGIF was on a roll there.

It appears that Nix and Gaston have talked to Alford and were told that he will indeed continue to be the RB coach for ND.

So that is one position coach down.

Shove it Florida

In other news, it also seems that Chuck Martin is being looked at as the secondary coach and not DC. If he decides to stay at GVSU, Corwin Brown will likely stay on as well.

Havent heard anything about Polian or BY but im keeping my fingers crossed

 

[BGIF]

Whoa BGIF was on a roll there.

It appears that Nix and Gaston have talked to Alford and were told that he will indeed continue to be the RB coach for ND.

So that is one position coach down.

Shove it Florida

In other news, it also seems that Chuck Martin is being looked at as the secondary coach and not DC. If he decides to stay at GVSU, Corwin Brown will likely stay on as well.

Havent heard anything about Polian or BY but im keeping my fingers crossed

Hope the Alford report pans out. I liked the RBs ball integrity in '09. Alford also was the guy working FL. He handled Nix and Bernard according to Rivals. His other targets all verbaled and from a need standpoint Brent Benedict, UTN verbal (Alford and Parmalee ND recruitiers) would be the only one I'd be interested in pursuing. I've read nothing saying Benedict is unhappy with his UTN verbal my comment is simply based on OT need.

With Ianello gone there are a lot of his verbals/targets to tend. Gaston was one of Ianello's target's as is Allen, Henderson, Prater, Stone, Mccay, and ND verbal Hurd (Iannello and Brown). Lombard, Rees, and Daniel Smith who have all affirmed their ND choice were also Ianello verbals.

 

[JefMaj]

All in_ Kelly turns to assistant search | The Journal Gazette, Fort Wayne, Ind.

 

[BCSorBust]

Whoa BGIF was on a roll there.

It appears that Nix and Gaston have talked to Alford and were told that he will indeed continue to be the RB coach for ND.

So that is one position coach down.

Shove it Florida

In other news, it also seems that Chuck Martin is being looked at as the secondary coach and not DC. If he decides to stay at GVSU, Corwin Brown will likely stay on as well.

Havent heard anything about Polian or BY but im keeping my fingers crossed

Also what I've heard and wrote a bit about but he did not tell his team that he was leaving so I don't foresee him going, but you never know because his wife made it seem like he was gone. He would also be an assistant head coach with a larger role in the defense than just secondary coach but that is yet to be determined from what I've heard.

 

[DKSchrute]

Nobody heard of Urban Meyer before Utah?

Did you just start following football in the past 2 years?

When did you become an ND fan or are you?

Meyer was the ND WR coach from '96 to '00. He was highy thought of and it was considered a significant loss when he jumped from WR coach to Bowling Green HC. BG wasn't the only school pursuing him.

Meyer and Stoops both had increasing levels of experience but both were widely recognized for their accomplishments at those levels.

Get over yourself. I obviously have heard of more than 5 college coordinators, the point was that the head coach is what it is all about in college football.

If you cant agree to this explain why (in most cases) the head coach is paid by the million and the coordinators more like 100k?

Had I heard of Meyer and Stoops before the Utah hire and Oklahoma hire? Yes. Were they household names and did the average college football fan know who they were? Hell no. He came from Bowling Green to Utah.

Dont use todays knowledge and apply it to that time period. Utah was a nothing program back then so dont try to tell me that the hire wasnt anything more than a footnote at the time.

As far as this attitude of "we are ND we need a big name" - save that crap. Please. What ND needs are guys who know what the hell they are doing. For the last 5 years the team was coached by an offensive coordinator. Prior to that they hired the 4th choice guy. Prior to that a feeble D coordinator who was a lazy hire and reaked of ND hubris that it didnt matter the coach because it was ND.

These recruits will meet Kellys guys and big name or no name, they will either commit to Notre Dame itself and this staff or move on.

 

[NDinMemphis]

Looks like, from the new ND Rivals article, that Corwin is not being retained.

 

[Big23Head]

ISD, Corwin Brown was fired.

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

Corwin was not going to settle for an Assistants role, he was a D-coordinator and Assistant Head Coach, he was not going to go back to coaching one position. He will end up as a D-Coordinator at Virginia or another school.

 

[Aerosmith777]

You know, I like Corwin Brown, I really do, and I hope he is successful wherever he winds up. But I think this is a smart move. Notre Dame's karma on defense is the lowest it has ever been, and I feel Kelly needs to put his own stamp on it with a new DC that he feels comfortable giving some autonomy to hire his own assistants and start building something on that side of the ball.

 

[DKSchrute]

Corwin Brown presided over a terrible defense. Nobody on the defensive side of the ball is untouchable. The secondary was supposed to be the strengh this year and it was one of the worst Ive ever seen at ND.

 

[JefMaj]

Yep, he was terminated...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Lil sumsin bout nuttin. I chatted with an OK grad during the second half of the Stanford game. He said he would try out for ND defense. Anything could be better.

Ouch.

 

[49er-Irish]

I'm sorry to see Corwin go. I know his secondary didn't perform the way we all expected them to this year, but I still think he's a good coach and would do better coaching his DB's to play his style.

Too bad because I was really looking forward to seeing Corwin go nuts during the Navy game next year. He would've had the team pumped for that game. And he might've punched Navy's coach.

I wish Corwin Brown nothing but the best.

 

[DKSchrute]

I'm sorry to see Corwin go. I know his secondary didn't perform the way we all expected them to this year, but I still think he's a good coach and would do better coaching his DB's to play his style.

Too bad because I was really looking forward to seeing Corwin go nuts during the Navy game next year. He would've had the team pumped for that game. And he might've punched Navy's coach.

I wish Corwin Brown nothing but the best.

I would say your statement is also an indictment of exactly why he is no longer employed. The fact that we need to exact revenge on Navy needs to be read aloud by every ND fan 10 times.

 

[montanaquade]

I agree with you DKSchrute.
It began to unnerve me way back in the Purdue game that ND was gonna struggle but when they lost to Navy and then to Connecticut because the defense plain just could not stop the run then i basically gave up hope.
I loved Corwin Brown and hope he does well but the defense was shameful therefore no one is safe.
Go Brian Kelly and Go Notre Dame we will return to prominance in 2010 .

 

[49er-Irish]

I would say your statement is also an indictment of exactly why he is no longer employed. The fact that we need to exact revenge on Navy needs to be read aloud by every ND fan 10 times.

I'm not going to pretend to know how much of a role Corwin had in preparing the defensive scheme against Navy, but the secondary have much to do with stopping the running attack from Navy. Blanton had the one costly brain fart when he thought the slot receiver was covered, but that's not bad coaching.

The defense played pretty well with Corwin in charge and then took a couple of steps backwards when Tenuta was brought in. I would've like to see Corwin have another shot.

I know the evidence was stacked against him because of the way the defense played last year, but I still think Corwin could be a valuable asset to the ND staff. Kelly probably made the right decision based on results on not personal feelings though. That's why I'm not in charge.

 

[DKSchrute]

I'm not going to pretend to know how much of a role Corwin had in preparing the defensive scheme against Navy, but the secondary have much to do with stopping the running attack from Navy. Blanton had the one costly brain fart when he thought the slot receiver was covered, but that's not bad coaching.

The defense played pretty well with Corwin in charge and then took a couple of steps backwards when Tenuta was brought in. I would've like to see Corwin have another shot.

I know the evidence was stacked against him because of the way the defense played last year, but I still think Corwin could be a valuable asset to the ND staff. Kelly probably made the right decision based on results on not personal feelings though. That's why I'm not in charge.

I really get leary when fans want guys retained because theyre good recruiters. We are too obsessed with this recruiting stuff. Obviously you need physically talented players but the coaches have to be good coaches first, good recruiters second.

The best recruiting tool is being in the top 10 all the time, not being top 10 class on rivals then finish 6-6

 

[BearGB]

I'm not going to pretend to know how much of a role Corwin had in preparing the defensive scheme against Navy, but the secondary have much to do with stopping the running attack from Navy. Blanton had the one costly brain fart when he thought the slot receiver was covered, but that's not bad coaching.

The defense played pretty well with Corwin in charge and then took a couple of steps backwards when Tenuta was brought in. I would've like to see Corwin have another shot.

I know the evidence was stacked against him because of the way the defense played last year, but I still think Corwin could be a valuable asset to the ND staff. Kelly probably made the right decision based on results on not personal feelings though. That's why I'm not in charge.

I really, really like Corwin, and I definitely love his passion for the game.
However, I think you meant to write that the secondary "didn't" have much to do with stopping the running attack against Navy. Knowing a little bit about the triple option, the secondary (especially the safeties but also the corners) being able to read keys and force hard is a HUGE key to containing the option. This is why you saw some of the "explosive" running plays, instead of the more manageable 3-5 yard plays. I definitely would not put it all on the secondary - was very frustrated with our DE play in that game, and Manti is awesome, but he misread many keys; however, Corwin definitely is responsible for some of the blame for the game.

You are totally correct though in saying that we really have no idea the extent to which Corwin helped scheme for the game, rather than just preparing his secondary.

 

[49er-Irish]

I really get leary when fans want guys retained because theyre good recruiters. We are too obsessed with this recruiting stuff. Obviously you need physically talented players but the coaches have to be good coaches first, good recruiters second.

The best recruiting tool is being in the top 10 all the time, not being top 10 class on rivals then finish 6-6

I didn't say that I wanted Corwin around just because he was a good recruiter. I think he was a guy that related well to his players and who's secondary performed before this season. I remember reading about how when Blanton was back home in the off season he worked out with some of his buddies that went to other D1 schools (VT and others I think) and was amazed about how much more he had learned at ND.

But you're definitely right, winning is the best recruiting tool out there and I have confidence that Kelly will bring in the right guys to develop the talent that's waiting at ND. I still think that Corwin could've gotten the job done, but it's hard to argue for him.

 

[49er-Irish]

I really, really like Corwin, and I definitely love his passion for the game.
However, I think you meant to write that the secondary "didn't" have much to do with stopping the running attack against Navy. Knowing a little bit about the triple option, the secondary (especially the safeties but also the corners) being able to read keys and force hard is a HUGE key to containing the option. This is why you saw some of the "explosive" running plays, instead of the more manageable 3-5 yard plays. I definitely would not put it all on the secondary - was very frustrated with our DE play in that game, and Manti is awesome, but he misread many keys; however, Corwin definitely is responsible for some of the blame for the game.

You are totally correct though in saying that we really have no idea the extent to which Corwin helped scheme for the game, rather than just preparing his secondary.

Yeah, definitely left out the "didn't".

I actually played safety against plenty of triple option teams in high school (I hated playing against those teams as a safety. Throw the damn ball every once in awhile!) and you're right - the safeties and corners can limit the running plays and help on the edge, but I would still blame the front seven in that game. It's not so easy to stop the FB 3-5 yards downfield when he's coming through the A gap untouched. There were also plenty of times Manti took out the QB, but nobody had the pitch man - so you're probably right with blaming the secondary on that one.

But back to the thread...

I just hope that Kelly gets his guys in soon. I'll get over losing Corwin very quickly if Kelly has someone else waiting.

 

[DKSchrute]

Ianello was the one worth keeping.....obviously Akron saw that too.

 

[jason_h537]

Corwin talked to the Rivals staff and said he loved his time at ND and owes more than he can say to Weis. He has already been contacted by a couple NFL teams to be a secondary coach but said he loved coaching college and helping kids grow up and is thinking about staying. Maybe Ianello needs a DC?

 

[jason_h537]

No word on Polian yet but Alford was out to talk to Barr recently. Sounds like a bad sign but Polian is still meeting and calling alot of the Cali kids as well so we will see