Does Swarbrick really want to fire Charlie?

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I like Weis and want to see him succeed. With that said if we can hire someone like Harbaugh, or Stoops then i say fire Weis. If we do keep Weis then we need to hire a lb and secondary coach who will stress technique just like Verducci and Hart did. I have no problem with Brown as coordinator but we need to get back to the basics
 

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I like winning... I hate hearing the "In youre face" crap from haters - that being said... I hope Swarbrick does keep him. I like the... Hey, he's family and he's MY family and I'm sticking by him...you dont have to like him - we do. WE ARE ND!!! And, then I hope he wins a NC.
 

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There was never a BCS or bust ultimatum. The phrasing was that we at least needed to be "in the discussion" for the BCS and we were at times during the season. Swarbrick also said that if other factors came in to play like a rash of injuries (say, to a FB, TE, QB, backup QB, RB, WR, backup WR, OL, etc.) that would factor in to his decision.

Just saying, there are other factors that will play in to the decision.

i think the injuries are really overlooked with this team. they've been riddled with them.
 

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I don't think Swarbrick wants to fire Charlie, but I think he will have to for a number of factors. I think the media's coverage of CW's record and winning percentage being the same as Davie's and Willingham's will be brutal (since they were fired). I also think the fact that he's never beaten USC, hasn't won a BCS bowl or a NC, and hasn't really beaten any top caliber teams is going to be too much to overlook. Plus, this was supposed to be the show me year and so far all we've shown is inconsistency.
 

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I've been a CW backer the entire time, but it's time for change. CW said it himself...if ND isn't fighting for a NC by yeqar 5 he should be fired. He also said this is the show me year. The team has underachieved...ultimately that's on the head coach. He'd be the first one to tell you that.

Having said that, I love CW and everything he did for this uni. He has left the cupboard full of talent, and the team is waaaayyyyy better off than when he took it over. But if ND doesn't go in another direction, we're going to hear another year of this crap, another year of recruits not knowing whether to come to ND or not, another year of possibly underachieving. CW was given his 5 years, it just didn't work out. Time for change IMO...



Do you have a link? Why post it as fact when you dont have a link???

Agreed with the condition that we get a top notch guy to replace CW. I think CW has been able to live out his dream and backed into a very questionable contract extension that will leave him and his family set for life. If he were to win out against 2 very tough teams then this board will be going nuts about what to do and I would be inclined to stay with CW. We have been so close in so many games that it really could have been a magical year depsite a horrendous punting and defense. One l;ast note to those who talked shit about our SOS, that was total BS! This has been a tough schedule and we have had teams at their best. If we played UM, USC, Navy and even Pitt in a bowl game I am conviced we would win any of those games going away.
 

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i think the injuries are really overlooked with this team. they've been riddled with them.

Absolutely! Swarbrick actually did reference injuries as a factor in his decision and I remember thinking at the time, "Uh-oh. Don't jinx us!" And here we are. If Jimmy had been 100% and if we had Floyd for the full season along with Aldridge at FB for the full season and a healthy Armando Allen, we would very well be sitting in a much better position than we are now. Would we be 10-0? Maybe not, but I think the SC game would have ended different and I think there is at least 1 or 2 other games we would have won. If we are 8-2 or 9-1 right now, we aren't even having this debate.

I think Jimmy's condition is especially significant because if he were 100%, I think that alone gets us over more than a couple obstacles this season. Not to mention if Floyd had been able to keep torching defenses all year long. Safe to say those two things could have accounted for another 2 or 3 touchdowns and that would virtually wipe out the entire margin of victory opponents had over us.
 

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If he were to win out against 2 very tough teams then this board will be going nuts about what to do

Maybe, but its looking like this season will end 6-6, if not worse. As someone else put it, this was supposed to be the "show me" year. 6-6 is showing you something, alright. 7-5 ain't much better. 8-4 with two bad losses (Mich and Navy) - still, thats a LOT to overlook.
 

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The problem with CW, even back in 05/06, was that he didnt beat anyone that was ranked. (aside from like 22nd ranked PSU). Michigan doesnt count bc that ended up 7-5 or something. End of the year rankings are what counts. His wins came against teams ND should have beaten. He has never beaten anyone he shouldnt have. His teams always play to the competition.

He lost two navy twice.
BC twice
Got smashed in BCS games. (didnt really belong there)
Lost to one of the worst teams in football in 08.
In 2008 they started out strong, and fell apart in the second half of the season. 2009 was the same. I dont see us beating stanford. If we beat uconn we will be 7-5. With this team...its not good enough.

Sure, you can bring up progress in losses. But they are still losses. Fundamentals and technique are lacking. The players are lost in the scheme, and have lost all their confidence. I was at the Pitt game. It was like watching 08's team out there. It was pathetic to watch.

Personally, I am not a fan of his playcalling. He uses the run to set up the pass. We couldve controlled the clock against Navy and Pitt to get W's. But CW insisted on running the same 5 pass plays.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but if he would've ran the ball against UM and punted away. The odds of winning go up dramatically. But no, he had to throw the ball.

BC laid a blueprint to stop CW and he hasnt changed his gameplan. Even though BC lost, they knew CW wouldnt get away from the pass and if they dropped back in there soft coverages JC would have to throw short. Basically, if you stop CW from getting big plays you will beat him.

Pitt followed suit, and so did Navy.

He has his plans and ideas and wont adjust. He is not a good head coach. Hell of a guy. But he belongs in the booth calling plays under a head coach who will veto him if things start to go sour.
 

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i had a dream last night that UConn got replaced by Iowa and it was a thursday night game. ND lost by 60.
 

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UConn is a very solid team. Records don't tell everything. Look at how they lost a few of those games. All 5 buy 15 points total.

In the Rutgers game, they came back and scored with under a minute left, then Rutgers threw an 80 yard TD pass to take the lead with less than 30 seconds left. A lot of there games have ended this way.
 

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Let's not get ignorant - UConn is a top 50 (Sagarin - 46) team (their SOS is 26th). They should boost our SOS higher than it's present 20th.
 

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right. lets not get ignorant. sagarin #46 does not a very tough team make.

maybe in the current era of ND football. Pitt was probably their best game, but when pitt finally plays an upper echelon team in a bowl game, everyone will see how overrated they are.
 

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right. lets not get ignorant. sagarin #46 does not a very tough team make.

maybe in the current era of ND football. Pitt was probably their best game, but when pitt finally plays an upper echelon team in a bowl game, everyone will see how overrated they are.

Or how for real they are....
 

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In the grand scheme of things - on any given Saturday - the top 50 can be competetive against each other - were not talking Charleston Southern, Troy, Fla. Int., Tenn Chatt., Deleware St., Louisiana Mon/Laf/Tech... Where was Stanford rated on November 1, 2009??????????
 

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the talent level at uconn (much like navy) is inferior to the talent level at ND. of course, coaching is always a great equalizer in any game.

it is a good Holtz-like technique, though, talking up an opponent into something they are not so it looks better when you beat them.

talent wise, this game should be a bloodbath. isnt uconn's starting qb a guy that left nd because he knew he was never going to see the field.

this is precisely the type of team that i used to expect ND to beat 42-14.
 
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42 - 14? Is that because Pitt, Cinci & WV beat them by about a combined 10 points. With that we should blow Stanford out of the water. Their talent suck about the same.
 

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We have been so close in so many games that it really could have been a magical year depsite a horrendous punting and defense. One l;ast note to those who talked shit about our SOS, that was total BS! This has been a tough schedule and we have had teams at their best. If we played UM, USC, Navy and even Pitt in a bowl game I am conviced we would win any of those games going away.

It has been a magical year. Come from behind wins, Tate going all-world (Hail Mary catch before halftime, punt return for a TD against Pitt), etc., etc., etc. The problem is you can't rely on magic for 75-100 plays a year to win a championship. Its asking too much to need Rocket to take two to the house every game to be a contender.
 

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It has been a magical year. Come from behind wins, Tate going all-world (Hail Mary catch before halftime, punt return for a TD against Pitt), etc., etc., etc. The problem is you can't rely on magic for 75-100 plays a year to win a championship. Its asking too much to need Rocket to take two to the house every game to be a contender.

Serously, if we were a 1 or 2 loss team Clausen and Tate would be the leading Heisman contenders.
 

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42 - 14? Is that because Pitt, Cinci & WV beat them by about a combined 10 points. With that we should blow Stanford out of the water. Their talent suck about the same.

i dont happen to think much of pitt, cincy or WV...mostly because they have feasted on crap schedules. the strength of schedules of them are 57th, 65th, and 39th, respectively.

stanford's strength of schedule is 11th.

still, ND does have more talent than all those teams. does anyone really believe someone like urban meyer would be losing to these teams with the current roster? no way.
 

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With Urban - I beleieve we would be a run first team - and it would be interesting to see what he would do with a pro-style QB. Has he ever had one - what kind of QB was Smith?
 

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With Urban - I beleieve we would be a run first team - and it would be interesting to see what he would do with a pro-style QB. Has he ever had one - what kind of QB was Smith?

Meyer plays to the strengths of his QB's. Remember he had Leak before Tebow and was somewhat successful. Tebow showed up as a freshman and was more of a spot player mainly running the ball. Once Tebow took over you got to see the current version of the UF offense. Next year without Tebow you'll see more of a traditional passing oriented offense. He won't have Tebow to lean on.
 
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