Does Swarbrick really want to fire Charlie?

[mick2]

I mean Charlie has done everything this university has asked for. he recruits well, he graduates his players, he embraces the community and does tons of charitable work. and He loves the University and works his ass off for it.

Now he has lost some games, some ones that are indefensible. but you gotta be fair, he's also won some games.

Have we all forgotten how fun 2005 and 2006 were?

This year has been slightly disappointing depending on your expectations, but its not like this team is teetering on the brink of destruction!

we've lost 4 games by a combined 18 points!

if you go back from 2007 to now and just take an objective look at how this team has progressed you'd be pretty surprised.

This team is not going to suffer another fallout in a long time thanks to charlie and his recruiting.

I think Swarbrick realizes this and Charlie is back next year.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

The university did not ask him to win some games this year. They ask him to contend for a BCS which never happen this year.

 

[mick2]

The university did not ask him to win some games this year. They ask him to contend for a BCS which never happen this year.

we contended up until two weeks ago? look this is all depending on what happens the rest of the way but assuming Charlie wins out, how could you fire a guy that has done everything right, and progressed from year to year.

 

[tankjeep]

we contended up until two weeks ago? look this is all depending on what happens the rest of the way but assuming Charlie wins out, how could you fire a guy that has done everything right, and progressed from year to year.

as much as i want cw back for next season.....the haters have a point. cw was expected (which was way too high to begin with even though i drank the koolaide) to make it to a bcs bowl or bust. he didn't.

the realization that this team is not good enough to be in a bcs bowl has stung, but it's due to the unreal expectations we've all set upon this team (with exception to neutereddoomer).

one more year and i believe cw can get us there.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

We never were in the top 20 for the BCS

 

[mick2]

as much as i want cw back for next season.....the haters have a point. cw was expected (which was way too high to begin with even though i drank the koolaide) to make it to a bcs bowl or bust. he didn't.

the realization that this team is not good enough to be in a bcs bowl has stung, but it's due to the unreal expectations we've all set upon this team (with exception to neutereddoomer).

one more year and i believe cw can get us there.

2007 - 9 losses by a combined 190 points - losing by an avg of 21 pts per game
2008 - 6 losses by a combined 77 points - losing by an avg of 12 pts per game
2009 - 4 losses by a combined 18 points - losing by an avg of 4 pts per game

even in losses you can see progress.

The expectations were high, but i think we are all naive to think that this was going to be an easy quick fix

 

[mick2]

We never were in the top 20 for the BCS

we were 6-2 ranked 22 and things were looking pretty good. didnt stay in long enough, but we were in the conversation for a little while.

i said this season was disappointing in my first post?

 

[tko]

the answer to your thread, YES!

 

[mick2]

the answer to your thread, YES!

i guess we'll see

 

[JefMaj]

Article in today's Elkhart Truth went on and on - in description of factors considered by Swarbrick - according to Swarbrick - Grad rates, and cited yesterday by University - type of kid he's (CW) bringing in - no violations, etc.... sounded like he was defending his decision to punt to next year's AD.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Over 5 years I've grown to respect the hell outta Charlie Weis on and off the field. He's loyal to his players and treats them all the same. He's a class act. He's honest. He takes all the blame in press conferences. He gets four or five hours of sleep to work his tail off for Notre Dame. And I don't have to dip into what kind of family man he is.

With that being said, he's a brilliant offensive coordinator who develops quarterbacks at a high level. He isn't a college head coach. It's not his fault. He belongs in the NFL as an OC. It will be hard to see him leave because I wanted for him to do so well.

 

[tko]

i guess we'll see

it's just so fkn sad that we're even going through this right now. this season had so much promise yet we're laying under a wet blanket today. i feel so numb inside and can't believe this has happened.

 

[dskoo65]

2007 - 9 losses by a combined 190 points - losing by an avg of 21 pts per game
2008 - 6 losses by a combined 77 points - losing by an avg of 12 pts per game
2009 - 4 losses by a combined 18 points - losing by an avg of 4 pts per game

even in losses you can see progress.

The expectations were high, but i think we are all naive to think that this was going to be an easy quick fix

...then starting with a new quarterback next year. i wouldnt waste any more time on weis to see if he can win next year with a less talented quarterback. there is plenty of talent on this team to win (quoting from steve martin in planes, trains, and automoblies)...... RIGHT FU##ING NOW!!

his primary job when hired was to win football games (and yes, you like the other qualities in a head football coach).

how many teams on this schedule should have been playing with ND? a BCS bowl was a perfectly reasonable expectation with this team. the only team that i believe has more actual talent on the field might be USC, and they have had less than stellar qb play from their freshman.

a good coach who has more talent than 11 of his opponents should go 11-1, 10-2 at worst. if a BCS bowl is not a reasonable expectation for a coach at ND in his fifth year then he doesnt belong at ND.

 

[JeremyND07]

it's just so fkn sad that we're even going through this right now. this season had so much promise yet we're laying under a wet blanket today. i feel so numb inside and can't believe this has happened.

OK can we agree that this season had promise for one reason...not because we thought this team was going to be a top 10 caliber team but that the schedule looked really soft! Every team on our schedule is vastly better then any of us expected. Standford and Pittsburg...if I would of said on this board at the beginning of the year that those were the 2 best teams on our schedule I would of been banned. Washington beat USC, Purdue beat OSU, Navy took OSU to the end of the 4th, Conn beat Pitt. etc. I am not trying to make excuses for CW but I think most people had too high of expectations for this year...next year is a totally different story. I do not care if we have the toughest schedule in the country we should be a top 5 team (if everyone comes back ), period! I say save the rebuilding process for one more year unless we lose out!

 

[NDinL.A.]

I've been a CW backer the entire time, but it's time for change. CW said it himself...if ND isn't fighting for a NC by yeqar 5 he should be fired. He also said this is the show me year. The team has underachieved...ultimately that's on the head coach. He'd be the first one to tell you that.

Having said that, I love CW and everything he did for this uni. He has left the cupboard full of talent, and the team is waaaayyyyy better off than when he took it over. But if ND doesn't go in another direction, we're going to hear another year of this crap, another year of recruits not knowing whether to come to ND or not, another year of possibly underachieving. CW was given his 5 years, it just didn't work out. Time for change IMO...

Article in today's Elkhart Truth went on and on - in description of factors considered by Swarbrick - according to Swarbrick - Grad rates, and cited yesterday by University - type of kid he's (CW) bringing in - no violations, etc.... sounded like he was defending his decision to punt to next year's AD.

Do you have a link? Why post it as fact when you dont have a link???

 

[tankjeep]

Do you have a link? Why post it as fact when you dont have a link???

cuz he's an excellent slouch......don't yell at my buddy.

 

[mick2]

i dont get the whole, if he cant be in a bcs bowl in year 5 argument. he was in a bcs bowl in year 1 and 2.

and i dont get the NC discussion because 2006 we were in the discussion.

do these two years not count? if these two years dont count than this would in fact be year 3

so if you want to exclude the first two years than you have to give him 2 more years?

Right?

Dont come at me with well we didnt deserve those bowls, because who gives a F we got there.

and we were ranked as high as 2 and going into LA the last game of 06 with a shot at a berth in the NC

 

[Junkhead]

i dont get the whole, if he cant be in a bcs bowl in year 5 argument. he was in a bcs bowl in year 1 and 2.

We arguably have more talent on the field now, with an easier schedule, a coach who has supposedly "learned on the job", and we are no better off than 3 years ago, worse in fact. That said, I can't get a feel for what Swarbrick wants to do.

 

[49er-Irish]

...then starting with a new quarterback next year. i wouldnt waste any more time on weis to see if he can win next year with a less talented quarterback. there is plenty of talent on this team to win (quoting from steve martin in planes, trains, and automoblies)...... RIGHT FU##ING NOW!!

This is the part of the argument for getting rid of Charlie that I don't get. The offensive side of the ball obviously has all the talent in the world - at least at the skill positions. But I don't see how anyone can say that ND has enough talent on D to be a BCS contender. On paper there is some talent there - but even that is mostly young talent.

How many guys on the defensive side of the ball do you guys think would be playing for teams like Alabama, Florida, Texas, USC and other BCS contenders? I don't see many.

I think guys like Sergio Brown and Harrison Smith would be limited to special teams. Players like John Ryan and Kerry Neal would be riding the pine. Even Ethan Johnson, KLM, and Fleming would be just breaking through and getting into the mix this year - not the front line players. And I love Brian Smith, but I think he'd be stuck in a backup/special teams role. He plays with a ton of passion, but he has slow feet and doesn't exactly hit like a truck.

Most of the D is young and I think the sky is the limit next year, but I just don't see it this year. Everyone had high hopes that these guys would develop fast and could be stars as underclassmen, but that's a lot to ask. You can blame Weis and Tenuta all you want, but without having the personnel to get a pass rush (without bringing the house), or stop the run without putting 8 in the box, it's hard to get to creative with the scheme.

 

[jmurphy75]

We arguably have more talent on the field now, with an easier schedule, a coach who has supposedly "learned on the job", and we are no better off than 3 years ago, worse in fact. That said, I can't get a feel for what Swarbrick wants to do.

I would't call this an easier schedule, it may have looked that way at the begining of the season and on paper but look at it now.

 

[kmoose]

Do you have a link? Why post it as fact when you dont have a link???

Notre Dame Football -- Swarbrick says he'll have a quick decision about Weis - The Elkhart Truth - Elkhart, IN

I understand what you are saying, NDinL.A., but it only took me about 45 seconds to find this, on google. Sometimes we have to take the intiative, ourselves, to research claims made and decide fact from fiction.

 

[NDfanatic333]

Over 5 years I've grown to respect the hell outta Charlie Weis on and off the field. He's loyal to his players and treats them all the same. He's a class act. He's honest. He takes all the blame in press conferences. He gets four or five hours of sleep to work his tail off for Notre Dame. And I don't have to dip into what kind of family man he is.

With that being said, he's a brilliant offensive coordinator who develops quarterbacks at a high level. He isn't a college head coach. It's not his fault. He belongs in the NFL as an OC. It will be hard to see him leave because I wanted for him to do so well.

I feel the same way Polish. I think he gets a bad rap some of the time for the things he says. He does things the right way, he is a true ND guy, graduation rates are sky-high, and he is just a great all-around person. It will be sad because he brings SO many good things to the University. Although, I think the sadest part of it all is that he went to ND, loves the school and everything it stands for, but he couldn't get it done like he wanted to.

 

[bert2834]

Here is something I thought of the other day.

If you fire Charlie, not only does Jimmy and Golden leave along with a slew of recruits, but I think Dayne will transfer.

Coming of the knee injury, it would give him a full year to heal.

Not that this should in any way be a part of Swarbrick decision.

I hope we keep Weis unless Urban comes(who will do things the ND way here).

 

[NDinL.A.]

Notre Dame Football -- Swarbrick says he'll have a quick decision about Weis - The Elkhart Truth - Elkhart, IN

I understand what you are saying, NDinL.A., but it only took me about 45 seconds to find this, on google. Sometimes we have to take the intiative, ourselves, to research claims made and decide fact from fiction.

We all know that one. But jefmaj is saying that Swarbrick will not be the AD next year, and he has now passed it on as fact in 2 different threads, with his only proof being 'mark my words'.

I just want a link, that's all. I haven't heard that ANYWHERE except for what jefmaj is saying...

 

[irish4ever]

If you fire Charlie, not only does Jimmy and Golden leave along with a slew of recruits, but I think Dayne will transfer.

I disagree. Coming off of a knee injury and with no playing time to prove himself, I doubt that he goes the trf. route.

 

[JefMaj]

As for the link of AD.... I will stand by my source as a source I would feel comfortable saying I have strong faith in. Take it as you wish. I'm not one who throws that type of crap up here unless I heard it from someone that I felt I (maybe alone) have faith in. Many more contacts and financial ties to ND, and circles, than I do. I know the ties. I know the ties are legitimate. Not a heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy. His circle is the guys. Take it as a prediction if nothing else and chastise me in September if it doesn't happen - hit my cred...

 

[PADOMERNUT]

As for the link of AD.... I will stand by my source as a source I would feel comfortable saying I have strong faith in. Take it as you wish. I'm not one who throws that type of crap up here unless I heard it from someone that I felt I (maybe alone) have faith in. Many more contacts and financial ties to ND, and circles, than I do. I know the ties. I know the ties are legitimate. Not a heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy. His circle is the guys. Take it as a prediction if nothing else and chastise me in September if it doesn't happen - hit my cred...

So does your source say Weis will be back?

 

[JefMaj]

What I hear on that is a guess. That Development isn't happy and expects to take a hit (major donations) if he stays. But, as for what Swarbrick woill do is a guess. And, I'm guessing he is safe. If you are leaving... you don't (in good faith) tie a guys hands. If I'm wrong with the guess... then I'll lose faith in my guy - which will leave me very confused.

 

[dskoo65]

Here is something I thought of the other day.

If you fire Charlie, not only does Jimmy and Golden leave along with a slew of recruits, but I think Dayne will transfer.

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clausen is going to leave. no reason for him to stay. i think tate is also gone. weis staying or leaving will have zero effect on that. Crist really wanted to play at ND. i think he stays unless he absolutely dislikes the incoming hire.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

There was never a BCS or bust ultimatum. The phrasing was that we at least needed to be "in the discussion" for the BCS and we were at times during the season. Swarbrick also said that if other factors came in to play like a rash of injuries (say, to a FB, TE, QB, backup QB, RB, WR, backup WR, OL, etc.) that would factor in to his decision.

Just saying, there are other factors that will play in to the decision.