Reasons to Keep/Fire Weis

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Believe me if things end in Ann Arbor like they have been talking about, that is the AD being forced out ahead of his planned departure next Sept. Kelly could very well be gone.

Hey phork, I have a friend who is a PSU fan, and he claims that on some of the PSU sites they are saying the Rich Rod could be gone this year and that it might be a mutual break up.

You seem to know alot about UM, any truth to this?
 

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while i do agree that Navy is not as nationally recognized as it should be, ND should ALWAYS beat navy. you talked about notre dame's academic requirements, at Navy the linemen cannot be big. They have to stay in very good shape. Our lines on both side of the ball outweighed them by 30-40 lbs. I can honestly say that every team on our schedule minus wash st. and maybe nevada would beat navy head to head. They are a good team but not even scratching the surface as a great team. The only thing going for navy is their triple option. Throughout the week, it is the COACHE'S responsibilty to prepare his team for this look. And against navy they just looked lost. Now i know part of that blame goes to Tenuta, its just with soo much talent there is NO WAY you lose to Navy. Theres a reason why they didnt win for 43 years, the players are better at ND. Its the coaches that have made the difference 2 out of 3 years.
 

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Its really hard to say always and never when it comes to sports, any given Saturday, (now more than ever) anybody can beat anybody.
 

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Retain or fire.

Retain or fire.

Good points are recruiting and QB development. Bad are game management, not being a motivator, and flat out losing to average teams. And also costing me 3mil vbucks.

Keep him at ND but completely away from football in any capacity. We will not get a top quality coach with Charlie there to look over his shoulder. Give him a job in the Alumni Association...fund raiser, visiting clubs throughout the world, speaker at various functions. etc....at half his current salary for the duration of his contract. If he refuses, fire him for incompetency in the job he was hired to do. Surely, his contract must have some performance standards he must meet to stay in the job. If it doesn't , fire all those on any board who had anything to do with his hiring in the first place. Of course, the guy most responsible for this debacle is now at Duke.
 
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Retain or fire.

Retain or fire.

Good points are recruiting and QB development. Bad are game management, not being a motivator, and flat out losing to average teams. And also costing me 3mil vbucks.

Keep him at ND but completely away from football in any capacity. We will not get a top quality coach with Charlie there to look over his shoulder. Give him a job in the Alumni Association...fund raiser, visiting clubs throughout the world, speaker at various functions. etc....at half his current salary for the duration of his contract. If he refuses, fire him for incompetency in the job he was hired to do. Surely, his contract must have some performance standards he must meet to stay in the job. If it doesn't , fire all those on any board who had anything to do with his hiring in the first place. Of course, the guy most responsible for this debacle is now at Duke.
 

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Hey phork, I have a friend who is a PSU fan, and he claims that on some of the PSU sites they are saying the Rich Rod could be gone this year and that it might be a mutual break up.

You seem to know alot about UM, any truth to this?

I know about Michigan because I live in the heart of UM country. Its all I hear on the radio, on TV etc. The current AD, who retires next Sept, has said RichRod is safe for one more year. The alums however aren't too happy about it and the rumours are going around that they are going to force the school to make their AD retire sooner rather than later. IE, get in an AD that would like to put their stamp on the program and get rid of DickRod.

The BIG rumour today is that Shoelace will start on Saturday and an even bigger rumour is that Forcier is looking to transfer.
 

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I know about Michigan because I live in the heart of UM country. Its all I hear on the radio, on TV etc. The current AD, who retires next Sept, has said RichRod is safe for one more year. The alums however aren't too happy about it and the rumours are going around that they are going to force the school to make their AD retire sooner rather than later. IE, get in an AD that would like to put their stamp on the program and get rid of DickRod.

The BIG rumour today is that Shoelace will start on Saturday and an even bigger rumour is that Forcier is looking to transfer.

Why? Because Devin Gardner will probably start from game one in his time at Ann Arbor?
 

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Why? Because Devin Gardner will probably start from game one in his time at Ann Arbor?

Like I said, its only a rumour. But I think it has more to do with Gardner coming in next year. Frankly if I am Denard I'd transfer as well.
 

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I know about Michigan because I live in the heart of UM country. Its all I hear on the radio, on TV etc. The current AD, who retires next Sept, has said RichRod is safe for one more year. The alums however aren't too happy about it and the rumours are going around that they are going to force the school to make their AD retire sooner rather than later. IE, get in an AD that would like to put their stamp on the program and get rid of DickRod.

The BIG rumour today is that Shoelace will start on Saturday and an even bigger rumour is that Forcier is looking to transfer.

So if a new AD came in sooner rather than later there might be some truth to it. Interesting. Thanks for the info.
 

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The fact of the matter is, with Weis' so-called "amazing" recruiting classes there is NO WAY we should be losing to Navy. We dont lose in 43 years and now we have lost 2 out of 3 years both at home. With arguably the best quarterback in the nation and the best recievers in the nation there is nooo way we should be losing to a navy team.

Bottomline is turnovers hurt. Had it not been for parris fumble, we march down on our first posseion and score, and that changes the atmosphere of the game. I think the loss comes from two things, turnovers and sloppy defensive play. We dont have the turnovers we win and you cant blame weis for the turnovers. Thats why i think we need to get him a nother chance and if we dont get to BSC bowl next year then it is time for him to go but until then i hope he stays.
 

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Bottomline is turnovers hurt. Had it not been for parris fumble, we march down on our first posseion and score, and that changes the atmosphere of the game. I think the loss comes from two things, turnovers and sloppy defensive play. We dont have the turnovers we win and you cant blame weis for the turnovers. Thats why i think we need to get him a nother chance and if we dont get to BSC bowl next year then it is time for him to go but until then i hope he stays.

Just wondering if there is anything we can blame Weis for. Can't blame him for TO's, bad kicks, bad blocking, calling a fade every other play, Ty's recruits, Navy's offense, Syracuse's helmets being distracting, and on and on and on...
 

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Just wondering if there is anything we can blame Weis for. Can't blame him for TO's, bad kicks, bad blocking, calling a fade every other play, Ty's recruits, Navy's offense, Syracuse's helmets being distracting, and on and on and on...

why not take shots to our best players? if we put the ball in goldens or tates hands they are bound to make plays
 

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I've changed my outlook on this whole situation. As mentioned many times in this thread, it wasnt weis' fault that we missed those feild goals, we fumbled twice, had that fluke int. Good coachs put their team into a situation to win, and great coachs put their team in great situations to win. And have we not had a shot at winning every game this year? It comes down to players making plays, and right now we are 3 plays away from having a perfect season. Yes, some will argue that 07 and 08 season were bad and they were but not becasue of coaching. Its really hard to win when you have an offense full of 18 and 19 year olds. That's why our defense is struggling now, the youth. This year the offense has shown a lot of improvment from previous years and you know why that is? One word.

Experience.

So next year we will have a more mature D and therefore a better team. If we fire weis this year, i think Jimmy and Tate go and that sets our offense back immensly. He has rebuilt this program from willingham's mess. I want him to stay and if he doesnt stay you can kiss next year good bye.


First off, you're not from Sidney, Montana. There is no such place in Montana. You're from Sidney, West Dakota.

Second, you changed your mind because the defense will be better but you're saying this game was lost by fumbles, missed field goals and turnovers. Where does the defense factor into that picture?

It's true that the team is three plays from an undefeated season; it's also true that the team is four plays from being 2-7. And those losses would've been to Purdue, Michigan State, Washington and Boston College. But a win is a win.
 

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Just wondering if there is anything we can blame Weis for. Can't blame him for TO's, bad kicks, bad blocking, calling a fade every other play, Ty's recruits, Navy's offense, Syracuse's helmets being distracting, and on and on and on...

yes, there is blame for Weis, but not to the extent that he needs to fired. This is a complex problem, that needs a complex problem solution. Someone needs to pick the flyshit from pepper, this is not the time for generalities.
 

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yes, there is blame for Weis, but not to the extent that he needs to fired. This is a complex problem, that needs a complex problem solution. Someone needs to pick the flyshit from pepper, this is not the time for generalities.

Cool, hopefully we're not hashing this "complex" problem out for another few seasons. Give me a break. Complex problem? Team can't block, tackle, and leaves points on the field every game. Doesn't seem that complex to me. Of course, I'm not searching for any and every excuse either.
 
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Everybody oughtta stop taking all this so seriously. We should keep Charlie...he's guaranteed to be a winning coach every year...OK, not a BCS candidate, but a certain winner. The Athletic Dept. is building in the guarantee, and we all know that. The 7-4-1 format, scheduling the likes of WMU and Tulsa as they did for '10....c'mon, we won't win 'em all, but we'll win most, and we'll do it in front of the home fans, mostly. Sure, this will disappoint lots of folks who worry about national cred...not me. Our campus is beautiful, the tailgate parties are great, and fun will be had by all....more often than not.
 

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Remember - the buyout and the signing bonuses (new staff) and establishment of a big name guy - it's twice the price of whatever the buyout is.
 

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Remember - the buyout and the signing bonuses (new staff) and establishment of a big name guy - it's twice the price of whatever the buyout is.

Money is not an issue here bro.
 
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I laugh when people think money is the issue. ND could buy out the Pope. Money is and never will be a problem for us. The filthy rich alumni donate enough to buy out Weis twenty times over yearly.
 

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I laugh when people think money is the issue. ND could buy out the Pope. Money is and never will be a problem for us. The filthy rich alumni donate enough to buy out Weis twenty times over yearly.

ND has money and a rich alumni base that is very generous but I think there's a BIG difference between donating money to the university and donating money to buyout a football coach.
 
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I laugh when people think money is the issue. ND could buy out the Pope. Money is and never will be a problem for us. The filthy rich alumni donate enough to buy out Weis twenty times over yearly.

I've always wanted my very own Pope. Would you buy one on eBay you think?
 

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Everybody oughtta stop taking all this so seriously. We should keep Charlie...he's guaranteed to be a winning coach every year...OK, not a BCS candidate, but a certain winner. The Athletic Dept. is building in the guarantee, and we all know that. The 7-4-1 format, scheduling the likes of WMU and Tulsa as they did for '10....c'mon, we won't win 'em all, but we'll win most, and we'll do it in front of the home fans, mostly. Sure, this will disappoint lots of folks who worry about national cred...not me. Our campus is beautiful, the tailgate parties are great, and fun will be had by all....more often than not.

Get lost dude.
 

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Everybody oughtta stop taking all this so seriously. We should keep Charlie...he's guaranteed to be a winning coach every year...OK, not a BCS candidate, but a certain winner. The Athletic Dept. is building in the guarantee, and we all know that. The 7-4-1 format, scheduling the likes of WMU and Tulsa as they did for '10....c'mon, we won't win 'em all, but we'll win most, and we'll do it in front of the home fans, mostly. Sure, this will disappoint lots of folks who worry about national cred...not me. Our campus is beautiful, the tailgate parties are great, and fun will be had by all....more often than not.

And when is losing fun?
 

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$25 + Mill is always an issue... I'm a grad, my brother is a grad, I have in-laws highup in offices in the Admin. Bldg (dome) ... directly with banking background now in ND financials... It's not merely the rumored $15 - $18 mill buyout.... Does CW agree to walk away and admit he failed... he and Maura just opened Hannah's House - Hannah and Friends... locally.... I have a son with down syndrome... the Weis's are becoming an institution here. Hannahandfriends.org -- -- They just walk away?
 

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$25 + Mill is always an issue... I'm a grad, my brother is a grad, I have in-laws highup in offices in the Admin. Bldg (dome) ... directly with banking background now in ND financials... It's not merely the rumored $15 - $18 mill buyout.... Does CW agree to walk away and admit he failed... he and Maura just opened Hannah's House - Hannah and Friends... locally.... I have a son with down syndrome... the Weis's are becoming an institution here. Hannahandfriends.org -- -- They just walk away?

A lot of the buyout money won't come from the school. And sorry to sound so callus, but ND sports doesn't exist to make sure that Charlie can keep his charity afloat.
 
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Losing is never fun....but you're making my point. Look, I'm an alum and a fan. I like the fact that, unlike as with other programs, we get to play a disproportionate number of games at home. That helps us have mostly winning seasons. I like the fact that we schedule a lot of teams that we know, up front, that we're more likely to beat than not. Why get hung up on national championships? I like the fact that the AD builds in winning seasons, and, irrespective of what happened last week, more often than not those occasional losses will be on the road. As long as at least five of those seven home games go in the win column, Autumn in Indiana is gonna be a blast! The leprechaun will be dancing and my girlfriend will LOVE the games...so will yours. The AD is building that in, and not even Charlie can screw that up. Do you really think getting rid of him is going to give us a realistic chance to return to the old glory days? I doubt it, and still, to be taken seriously, we'd have to give up the 7-4-1 scheduling format. Do you really want that? C'mon...let's not change the formula for fun.
 
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