Jay Mariotti rips Weis

[SteelerNation]

When you wake up you'll still realize you have no evidence to this matter and what your saying is still just a thought not a fact.

Silly kid.

 

[GDomer09]

Silly kid.

Silly kid???????? That's pretty childish!!!! Anyway, if you had your way, Gruden came in here and turned in the same records as Charlie what would you say? Where would we be then?

 

[SteelerNation]

GDomer- After Weis record over the last 5 years...I'm willing to take the risk. And you say, I'm childish? I bet you still think Weis is a good coach.

 

[NDinFL]

GDomer- hopefully at the very least a little fatter in the wallet.....

 

[GDomer09]

GDomer- After Weis record over the last 5 years...I'm willing to take the risk. And you say, I'm childish? I bet you still think Weis is a good coach.

Not a great coach, but yes a good coach and a good coach is better than a bad coach and Gruden could possibly be a bad coach at ND. A lot of people thought Charlie would be our savior at ND, obviously by your tone, you disagree. I guess sticking with YOUR teams coach makes you childish.

 

[SteelerNation]

Not a great coach, but yes a good coach and a good coach is better than a bad coach and Gruden could possibly be a bad coach at ND. A lot of people thought Charlie would be our savior at ND, obviously by your tone, you disagree. I guess sticking with YOUR teams coach makes you childish.

GDomer, you should see by my screenname that I am use to coaches sticking around for awhile. The Steelers have had 3 coaches in the last 40 years. Let me say that again...the last 40 years...and that is Pro football. And I grew up with them in the 70's. I stuck it out with Cowher, and never called for his firing. You know why? Because he always got his team to rise to the occasion and he had slobs like Neil ODonnel and Kordell Stewart as qb and made them look like stars. he finally got a qb and won the Super Bowl. that is a coach. Charlie has an awesome offense and still falters. I wouldnt mind sticking behind Weis if i knew he was a winner and knew how to get the players to win. he doesnt. Period.

 

[GDomer09]

GDomer, you should see by my screenname that I am use to coaches sticking around for awhile. The Steelers have had 3 coaches in the last 40 years. Let me say that again...the last 40 years...and that is Pro football. And I grew up with them in the 70's. I stuck it out with Cowher, and never called for his firing. You know why? Because he always got his team to rise to the occasion and he had slobs like Neil ODonnel and Kordell Stewart as qb and made them look like stars. he finally got a qb and won the Super Bowl. that is a coach. Charlie has an awesome offense and still falters. I wouldnt mind sticking behind Weis if i knew he was a winner and knew how to get the players to win. he doesnt. Period.

But do you honestly think Gruden is the man that can get us on the right path? Were you like so many of us to say that Weis was going to get us back on track? I just don't know anymore. I feel like if we keep changing the coaches, yes, we might get lucky, but we could also keep falling short and having to deal with losing seasons. I think at least giveing Weis more time, for right now, gives us the best chance to get an NC in the next couple of years.

 

[SteelerNation]

But do you honestly think Gruden is the man that can get us on the right path? Were you like so many of us to say that Weis was going to get us back on track? I just don't know anymore. I feel like if we keep changing the coaches, yes, we might get lucky, but we could also keep falling short and having to deal with losing seasons. I think at least giveing Weis more time, for right now, gives us the best chance to get an NC in the next couple of years.

Truth be told, GD...I was a little to harsh on Charlie when he got hired and warmed up to him. Only because of my bias being a Steeler fan. I hate the Patriots...and the last thing I wanted was a Patriot coach guiding the Irish. So I was anti-Weis out of the gate. But he won me over...and before I knew it I was defending him left and right. I loved his attitude...still do...loved his recruiting...still do....but it just comes down to results. Buddy, if it were up to me, I would love to see Weis stay on as AD because he loves Notre Dame. How about that all of you? I have been calling for Charlies job but think he has our best interest at heart. Let a true coach bring us back to respectability and let Weis stay on because he wants that to.

 

[DirtySecret]

Truth be told, GD...I was a little to harsh on Charlie when he got hired and warmed up to him. Only because of my bias being a Steeler fan. I hate the Patriots...and the last thing I wanted was a Patriot coach guiding the Irish. So I was anti-Weis out of the gate. But he won me over...and before I knew it I was defending him left and right. I loved his attitude...still do...loved his recruiting...still do....but it just comes down to results. Buddy, if it were up to me, I would love to see Weis stay on as AD because he loves Notre Dame. How about that all of you? I have been calling for Charlies job but think he has our best interest at heart. Let a true coach bring us back to respectability and let Weis stay on because he wants that to.

That is the most pathetic thing in the world.. I'm bias on a coach because he was OC, DC, or HC for a pro team I hate so much. Wow! Just wow!! I don't like the hire because he came from a Pro team I hate.. Talk about childish..

 

[SteelerNation]

That is the most pathetic thing in the world.. I'm bias on a coach because he was OC, DC, or HC for a pro team I hate so much. Wow! Just wow!! I don't like the hire because he came from a Pro team I hate.. Talk about childish..

*smiling*...must be nice to be unbiased in life, Dirty. But judging by your screenname...you've never done that. lol

 

[timm3117]

I remember people saying Pete Carroll was an average NFL coach, and that he wouldn't make it in College.

I'm not 100% sold on Gruden at ND, but the guy is a young and comes with personality. Whether or not hes the right fit for us I don't know, but he is a good coach.

 

[NDinFL]

I'm with SteelerNation, (Never thought I'd say that being a Colts fan) Charlie truly does love The Notre Dame Fighting Irish, and wants nothing but the absolute best for us. I wouldn't mind if he stayed on as just the OC, and had someone else come in as the HC.

 

[NDMontana]

I remember people saying Pete Carroll was an average NFL coach, and that he wouldn't make it in College.

I'm not 100% sold on Gruden at ND, but the guy is a young and comes with personality. Whether or not hes the right fit for us I don't know, but he is a good coach.

Pete Carroll actually won a division title and led his teams to the playoffs twice. The Jets never really gave him a chance. So, really, Pete Carroll wasn't a bad NFL coach; 33-31 career recrod.

 

[irishfan]

Pete Carroll actually won a division title and led his teams to the playoffs twice. The Jets never really gave him a chance. So, really, Pete Carroll wasn't a bad NFL coach; 33-31 career recrod.

Timm said he was an "average" NFL coach and you pointed out his 33-31 record. Sounds pretty average. And the Pats gave him a chance and then his teams got worse every season. Then the Pats made a pretty good hire with the next guy....

 

[DirtySecret]

*smiling*...must be nice to be unbiased in life, Dirty. But judging by your screenname...you've never done that. lol

My screen name is what is, just a screen name. As for being unbias, I thought the Weis hire was a step above the clown that was coaching the program. Matter of fact, I stop watching ND games after Ty's first year because I knew he was going to lead ND down a slippery slope. I also thought Jon Tenuta forced his 4-3 scheme to soon. You can't run 4-3 scheme with 3-4 personnel. These kids just had a full year in the 3-4 scheme only to be thrown into the fire again to have a months to learn a new scheme.

Timm said he was an "average" NFL coach and you pointed out his 33-31 record. Sounds pretty average. And the Pats gave him a chance and then his teams got worse every season. Then the Pats made a pretty good hire with the next guy....

Same be said with Jon Gurden.. I wouldn't say Tampa Bay made a better hire but Jon teams got worse and worse in due time..

 

[NDMontana]

Timm said he was an "average" NFL coach and you pointed out his 33-31 record. Sounds pretty average. And the Pats gave him a chance and then his teams got worse every season. Then the Pats made a pretty good hire with the next guy....

But the guy led the team to the playoffs twice in five years and, by your standards, two good years out every five makes a guy a good coach so.....

 

[SteelerNation]

My screen name is what is, just a screen name. As for being unbias, I thought the Weis hire was a step above the clown that was coaching the program. Matter of fact, I stop watching ND games after Ty's first year because I knew he was going to lead ND down a slippery slope. I also thought Jon Tenuta forced his 4-3 scheme to soon. You can't run 4-3 scheme with 3-4 personnel. These kids just had a full year in the 3-4 scheme only to be thrown into the fire again to have a months to learn a new scheme.

We may agree on the defensive side of things, Dirty. As far as the rest...it kind of goes with what us, "Weis haters" are going through. You just admitted turning things off on Willingham and very early by your account. You know what would happen here? They would call you a Damer hater because you did that. You didnt give the guy a chance. The same you feel about Ty, is the same going on with Weis.

 

[irishfan]

But the guy led the team to the playoffs twice in five years and, by your standards, two good years out every five makes a guy a good coach so.....

I'll take a coach who led his team to two BCS Bowls and who has a team that has improved each year over the past two years over a coach who took over a Super Bowl Patriots team in 1996 and made them an average team in 3 years.

 

[NDMontana]

I'll take a coach who led his team to two BCS Bowls and who has a team that has improved each year over the past two years over a coach who took over a Super Bowl Patriots team in 1996 and made them an average team in 3 years.

You already know that I'm not in favor of firing Weis. But, I have to ask, how about a guy who took a bunch of "crappy Willingham recruits" to BCS bowls (including one with a junior led team) and won't be taking his five star guys to a BCS game in a year when many of them are juniors?

He's improved over the last three but it's on the heels of a drastic fall off. It would be hard not to improve on 3-9.

 

[irishfan]

You already know that I'm not in favor of firing Weis. But, I have to ask, how about a guy who took a bunch of "crappy Willingham recruits" to BCS bowls (including one with a junior led team) and won't be taking his five star guys to a BCS game in a year when many of them are juniors?

He's improved over the last three but it's on the heels of a drastic fall off. It would be hard not to improve on 3-9.

I just think there is way more to be lost by firing Weis than there is to be gained by hiring someone. If we're in this position next year then go ahead and get rid of the guy, but we can all agree that 2010 has been marked down as our best chance at the NC so why not give the guy a chance to coach his team for that year?

 

[jason_h537]

I usually ignore people like Mariotti or Cowherd or Forde but theyer words always make it onto here. Why do people love reading negativity so much?

 

[dre1919]

I would just like to see the university hire a proven, winning head coach with experience in recruiting and winning big games (and preferably a national championship). In a pinch, at least a Super Bowl. No more "wunderkind" coordinators...I want someone who has been to the top of the heap and knows how to get back there. Plus, I want someone who knows hoe to relate to young players and the difference between the college and pro game.

 

[Flyin_Irish]

I could coach the Browns to 6 wins next year and be the savior of Cleveland or I could lose 3 games at ND and be the goat of college football. That's why the ND job is viewed as an unattractive one.

Mariotti, by the way, is a clown.
"A direct yellow brick road to a Bowl Championship Series bid is theirs annually, thanks to some wretched politics that no longer should exist..."
What has that got to do with anything? And why is it wretched? There are a thousand things wrong with the BCS and ND's situation is not one of them.

Ozzie Guillen was right about Jay Mariotti.

 

[patman1868]

I would just like to see the university hire a proven, winning head coach with experience in recruiting and winning big games (and preferably a national championship). In a pinch, at least a Super Bowl. No more "wunderkind" coordinators...I want someone who has been to the top of the heap and knows how to get back there. Plus, I want someone who knows hoe to relate to young players and the difference between the college and pro game.

I think everyone would like that, but realistically of the guys out there that fit that mold it would be very hard to pry them away from their current universities because of how good they are at what they do. I know for some people especially us ND fans would think that ND is a very attractive spot for a coach to come. I just can't help but think that a lot of coaches would want to stay away from the pressure of being NDs coach, and stay where they are current achieving success, while pulling in a nice paycheck.

 

[NDMontana]

I could coach the Browns to 6 wins next year and be the savior of Cleveland or I could lose 3 games at ND and be the goat of college football. That's why the ND job is viewed as an unattractive one.

You could also coach the Buccaneers to six wins and be hero or coach USC and lose three games and be a goat. You coach the Raiders to six wins and be annointed the second coming in Oakland or coach Florida, lose three games and be lynched.

Conversely, you could coach the Patriots to six wins and be the goat or coach Washington State to three wins and win much acclaim.

The reason ND is viewed as unattractive is because of admissions standards.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I usually ignore people like Mariotti or Cowherd or Forde but theyer words always make it onto here. Why do people love reading negativity so much?

I think all three of them suck.

 

[timm3117]

My screen name is what is, just a screen name. As for being unbias, I thought the Weis hire was a step above the clown that was coaching the program. Matter of fact, I stop watching ND games after Ty's first year because I knew he was going to lead ND down a slippery slope. I also thought Jon Tenuta forced his 4-3 scheme to soon. You can't run 4-3 scheme with 3-4 personnel. These kids just had a full year in the 3-4 scheme only to be thrown into the fire again to have a months to learn a new scheme.



Same be said with Jon Gurden.. I wouldn't say Tampa Bay made a better hire but Jon teams got worse and worse in due time..

You are right but the NFL is alot different then college. The coach isn't in complete control of his roster. If you look at it when TB won the Super Bowl the had a great but aging D, and an offense with very little talent. Over the next few years they lost players and replaced very few guys with veterans. Thats why they still suck because they are now a talentless team.

Just a reminder to those who say Gruden only won because he had Dungys player, well don't forget they beat Oakland in the Super Bowl. The team Gruden helped build and took from 8-8 to 12-4 and an AFC title game.

 

[DirtySecret]

You are right but the NFL is alot different then college. The coach isn't in complete control of his roster. If you look at it when TB won the Super Bowl the had a great but aging D, and an offense with very little talent. Over the next few years they lost players and replaced very few guys with veterans. Thats why they still suck because they are now a talentless team.

Just a reminder to those who say Gruden only won because he had Dungys player, well don't forget they beat Oakland in the Super Bowl. The team Gruden helped build and took from 8-8 to 12-4 and an AFC title game.

Then why he couldn't do the same at Tampa Bay? He didn't have to put up with an Al Davis like GM in Tampa. Why couldn't he rebuild the team in Tampa? He had 6 years after the superbowl win..

02 12-4
03 7-9
04 5-11
05 11-5 lost in wildcard game
06 4-12
07 9-7
08 9-7

It looks to me Jon teams regress than improve..

 

[Merlin]

You are right but the NFL is alot different then college. The coach isn't in complete control of his roster. If you look at it when TB won the Super Bowl the had a great but aging D, and an offense with very little talent. Over the next few years they lost players and replaced very few guys with veterans. Thats why they still suck because they are now a talentless team.

Just a reminder to those who say Gruden only won because he had Dungys player, well don't forget they beat Oakland in the Super Bowl. The team Gruden helped build and took from 8-8 to 12-4 and an AFC title game.

Add to which, Dungy couldn't win with Dungys players....

I'm hoping we stick with Charlie, at least for now, however, as a Bucs fan, I would love to see Gruden in Southbend, IMO, he could sell sand to Egypt if he wanted to, he got shafted in Tampa, and if he came here, I believe he's the one guy who could keep up with, if not elevate, our recruiting. He has an infectious and feisty way of coaching, which (I think) would really translate to college players, he has an energy about him that rubs off, in terms of motivation you won't find a better coach, all he ever did in Tampa was succeed with inferior talent in Tampa, and his biggest mistake? (other than taking the job in the first place) was giving us the fans, hope, when their really wasn't any.

The Bucs' search had taken more than two months, and had proven to be a major embarrassment to the Buccaneer organization. Tampa Bay had expressed an interest in Gruden, but Davis had originally refused to release him from his contract. The team subsequently interviewed several other coaches and believed a deal was in place with Bill Parcells, before Parcells backed out, reportedly because his choice for General Manager, Mike Tannenbaum, told him not to accept the job because of the salary cap difficulties that Tampa Bay was about to endure. With the franchise's search floundering, the coach they wanted having only one year remaining on his deal, and the immediate hire of Dungy by the Indianapolis Colts, many fans and sports commentators began to openly question if the Bucs had made the right move by dismissing Dungy. Only a big splash hire could quiet the storm, and this may have been the primary motivation for the Bucs to give up as much as they did to acquire Gruden.

Immediately after arriving in Tampa, Gruden significantly retooled the offense with the addition of numerous free agents. His determination to fix the under-performing offense so often maligned during Dungy's tenure inspired the Bucs defense to another #1 ranking, which helped the team to a 12–4 season and a win over Gruden's old team in Super Bowl XXXVII. Despite the Super Bowl win, there were many, including players on the Buccaneers like Warren Sapp, who attributed Gruden's win primarily to the defense that coach Tony Dungy and defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin had created during Dungy's tenure with the Bucs. Gruden publicly and graciously thanked Dungy for his contributions upon accepting the Lombardi Trophy at the Super Bowl XXXVII postgame ceremony.

In the two years following Gruden's Super Bowl win, the Bucs went 7–9 and 5–11 respectively, implying to many Dungy supporters that Gruden had simply taken over a strong team and then driven it into the ground. However, the high draft picks sacrificed by the team to acquire Gruden, along with salary-cap issues and failed draft choices forced upon him by the now-departed Rich McKay (with whom Gruden had an bitter relationship) limited Gruden's ability to field the teams he wanted after that successful Super Bowl-winning season. With no emerging talent in the fold and no money to afford replacements, the team was decimated by injuries to many of the Super Bowl stars, including Joe Jurevicius, Mike Alstott, Greg Spires, Shelton Quarles, Ken Dilger and Brian Kelly, as well as acrimony with highly-paid veterans such as Sapp, Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell.

When former Raiders general manager Bruce Allen joined the Bucs in 2004, Gruden finally had the general manager–head coach partnership he desired, and their past two drafts have yielded a number of impact players, including 2005 Offensive NFL Rookie of the Year Award winner Carnell "Cadillac" Williams.

2005 also marked a return to the playoffs, as the Bucs' posted a surprising 11–5 record, despite the loss of starting quarterback Brian Griese and some controversial coaching decisions, including a two-point conversion in the final seconds to defeat the Washington Redskins, who would later return to Tampa and eliminate the Bucs from the wild-card round of the playoffs.


Gruden speaking to an official at Heinz Field in December 2006In 2006, Gruden led the Buccaneers to a 4–12 season. It was his worst record as a head coach and the first time a Tampa Bay team had not won more than four games since 1991.

In an interview with Ira Kaufman of The Tampa Tribune on March 28, 2007, Bucs executive vice president Joel Glazer discussed the state of the Bucs. During the interview, Joel Glazer defended Gruden's performance, citing lost draft picks, injuries, and salary cap issues.

In 2007, the team finally cleared itself of salary cap constraints and united Gruden with a mobile West Coast quarterback in former Pro Bowler and Grey Cup winner Jeff Garcia. The team posted a 9–7 record with five division wins (after resting starters for the final two games), despite suffering major injuries, several season-ending, to critical players like Luke Petitgout, Carnell Williams, Mike Alstott, Alex Smith, Brian Kelly, Barrett Ruud, Michael Clayton, Patrick Chukwurah, Gaines Adams and starting kick and punt returner Mark Jones. Despite this adversity, however, Gruden declared "The future is so bright around here I have to wear shades".

In 2008, Gruden was rewarded with a contract extension through the 2011 season. On November 30, Gruden earned his 100th win against the New Orleans Saints. And on December 28 the Buccaneers were eliminated from making the playoffs by the Oakland Raiders, the team Gruden left for Tampa Bay. The Buccaneers ended the season with four losses in a row. Many believe that this was due to Monte Kiffin deciding to leave and coach with his son the following year in Tennassee

Jon Gruden was fired (???) by the Buccaneers on January 16, 2009, after seven seasons with the team. In April 2009, Gruden turned down an offer to become the offensive coordinator for the University of Oregon Ducks.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Goodness. Did you post this on Wikepedia?