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IrishAlum1997

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Let me preface this with the fact that this is not necessarily directed at any poster in particular, I don't necessarily look at who types each post so much as the content within each post. That said.......

This is a Notre Dame message and OPINION board.

98% of the active posters on this site are passionate about Notre Dame football. Whether as an alum, a family connection, or as a 'subway alum,' we are all OBSESSED with the success and failure of the team of Our Lady. National Signing Day is in the conversation with wedding anniversaries and our children's birthdays for most important holiday, and the first weekend in September? FUGGIDABBOUDDIT.

Facts are facts. We have had a mediocre football program CONSISTENTLY for the last 15 years, and 19 of the last 25. And posters here are telling us to be PATIENT? PATIENT?!!! What am I waiting for? To be able to braid the hair that has started growing in my ears?

As some have pointed out, yes, upsets have been plentiful this season, and are a regular part of the landscape of college football. They are a part of what makes college football great. I was fired up to see Iowa knocked off by a gritty Northwestern team in Iowa City, and was shouting to the rooftops when Appy State knocked off the Skunkbears in Ann Arbor (oh yeah, Toledo too).

No one here is so pretentious to think we should "win them all." We ARE ND, and getting knocked off by a team that we should wipe the floor with should and will happen. We slipped up against Stanford in '92. We had our eyes on a Florida State rematch a week early against a BC team we humiliated the year before in '93.

But can you ignore the number of humiliating losses since? BC and MSU since '94? BYU twice? Syracuse, Navy, Georgia Tech by 30, shutouts by FSU, scUM, USC. Being non-competitive in every bowl game from the '95 Fiesta Bowl through the '07 Sugar Bowl, with the exception of the '96 Orange.

How do you expect others to react? To sit on their hands and say nothing? Be patient, the recruits are coming. We're still young (3 years later). I said we were like the Boston Red Sox in a previous post, but it's been more like the Chicago Cubs. A historic program with rich tradition and a stadium people want to enter once in their lifetimes, but an eternity between championships, and an emerging sense that people are just starting to feel sorry for us. It's embarrassing.

I don't want Charlie gone. I hope he is the Frank Beamer exception to the rule, and has this program on the right track. Our polarizing television contract will forever perpetuate our us-against-the-world mentality, and I can't wait to see this ship turned around. But get off your high horse in condemning your fellow posters for being upset and vociferous in their comments for a team they (and I) are emotionally invested in. Lay off the fat jokes, and don't make fun of any players or family members. I have to frickin' sing 'Hail to the Victors' at my in-laws over Christmas break because our defense underachieved against a team that won't be going bowling this year. Make no bones about it, this is a place to vent, and I'm not hatin' on anyone and their opinions. Everything and everyone is fair game.

When you get home from a crappy day at the office you want to bitch to your wife about all that is wrong with your job. She thinks that you are crazy and that you should be grateful to be employed, but she loves you and supports you and tells you you're right and that you need to do what makes you happy. We are all married to Notre Dame, and after a horrible loss we want to come "home" and bitch. If you don't want to hear it, get a divorce or stay in the Lep Lounge. NONE of us have the answers, but we have the right to share our feelings here. Chill out and love one another.

Notre Dame, til death do us part.
 

chyrspchuck

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That was an awesome post man. I have never looked at it that way. I have always just thought the guys that wanted to fire CW are whining bitches. I will stand down this week.
 

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good post, but it seems the negative crowd far outweighs the positive on this thread and it gets redundant.

from my small sample size(basically this board and the alumni club im in) ive seen a pretty weak fanbase/alumni. i went to the alumni club game watch yesterday which was DEAD btw, and one of the 2 others that were there basically told me that if jimmy leaves she'll be glad because she doesnt like him anyway and she kept saying 2 more losses and charlie is gone!!!

and that was before kickoff!!

I am probably way too emotionally invested in this team and i want badly for the success of CW and the boys. And it is like a "marriage",so let me ask you this if somebody is talking poorly about your "wife" wouldnt you get pissed and defend her?
 

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and one of the 2 others that were there basically told me that if jimmy leaves she'll be glad because she doesnt like him anyway and she kept saying 2 more losses and charlie is gone!!!

Reading garb like this is proof why you should never troll this board while enjoying a couple pop tarts along with glass of milk. Now I need to clean my monitor.
 

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I am probably way too emotionally invested in this team and i want badly for the success of CW and the boys. And it is like a "marriage",so let me ask you this if somebody is talking poorly about your "wife" wouldnt you get pissed and defend her?

We all are mick. My analogy gets a little fuzzy at the end, and I get your point. ND is also our life's work, and IE is a 'wife' we get to bitch to.

My manager sucks, I don't make enough money, and they don't appreciate what I do, are the equivalent of fire Charlie, eat another cheeseburger, or any of the other emotionally charged rants we share. At the end of the day, when that holiday bonus comes around or they give you that corner office, all is forgiven until there is something else to complain about. The bimbo that told you she can't stand Jimmy will want to have his babies if he leads us to the BCS next season. We all want the best for our team, our marriage, our job, even when we don't always know what it is going to take. I think both sides have the right to vent/defend, just don't start slinging at one another.

So essentially, you're my wife. Now make me some pie. ;)
 

mick2

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We all are mick. My analogy gets a little fuzzy at the end, and I get your point. ND is also our life's work, and IE is a 'wife' we get to bitch to.

My manager sucks, I don't make enough money, and they don't appreciate what I do, are the equivalent of fire Charlie, eat another cheeseburger, or any of the other emotionally charged rants we share. At the end of the day, when that holiday bonus comes around or they give you that corner office, all is forgiven until there is something else to complain about. The bimbo that told you she can't stand Jimmy will want to have his babies if he leads us to the BCS next season. We all want the best for our team, our marriage, our job, even when we don't always know what it is going to take. I think both sides have the right to vent/defend, just don't start slinging at one another.

So essentially, you're my wife. Now make me some pie. ;)

HAHA, see this is why i love this board, even Phork
 

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I got reprimanded for saying the team was a bunch of hacks with the expception of the quarterback that is the sandbag along the river keeping us from being a 2-7 team right now. And of course the 2 wide receivers that are good for 100+ per game.

I am sorry but the game Saturday was typical Notre Dame of the past decade. Lazy game, lazy crowd, "oh we'll eventually get back and win it because this is Notre Dame and they're just a gritty service academy"

It hasnt happened like that in a long, long time. Last year was Syracuse amongst others the past 3 years now.

Virtually every game we play the Notre Dame athletes on paper are the blockbuster recruits and the other team shouldnt be able to match up with any of them. Yet, the games are either all down to the final minute or we lose them.

This is coaching and Im sorry but Weis should be gone. Its enough now. Losing to USC is not strange because they are stacked year to year. Hell, I'll even give you Michigan who was fired up, at home, and rallying behind their embattled coach. Fine. But Saturday is inexcusable. Navy doesnt recruit football players. Navy isnt out in Hawaii and Florida and southern Cali looking for the elite of the elite.

Navy, however, is everything Notre Dame should be, but isnt. They are a machine like team executing in every situation, hitting you with a ton of bricks, and playing every play 100%.
 

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The only patience that I can 100% go for personally is with Randy Hart and the D-line. They haven't been the best but they are getting better and better. If he can do what Verducci did, so nice.
 

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good post, but it seems the negative crowd far outweighs the positive on this thread and it gets redundant.

I agree sometimes it is redundant, but I believe the root of it all is the redundancy of winning by 3-4 points,(except for two victories.) Against teams we should beat by much more. Many times we allow the other team to hang around till the end of the game. When you do this you are inviting disaster. I don't gamble, but I would be willing to bet that ND covers the spread less that 20% of the time. We were favored against Mich and lost. against Navy and lost. I know we were favored by more than 3 against Washington. We seem to meander through games fortunate to pull them out because of last minute heroics. I am glad that we won the games we have and disappointed in the losses, but I am also disappointed that some of the games were as close as they were.
 

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Well I would also use the analogy that this football program is like a child to some of us. There are two types (at the base level) of parents in this world:

1) The parents who see their kids running with the wrong crowd (like Neutered Domer) and decide that they're going to hit the breaks before the train runs off the tracks at full speed.

2) Then there's the types of parents whose kids are doing negligible amounts meth, haucking mom's jewelry at a pawn shop to score more smack and dropping out of high school. But mom and dad continue to let the kid live in the house, make excuses in public, talk about how "he's a good kid, just a little confused".

And such are the fans here. Some think that it's not too late to keep this train on the tracks (and that doesn't mean fire Charlie). We think that there are flaws and issues but we're not giving up on the kids.

Then there are the fans who keep saying that everything is okay. They refuse to believe that you can be hard on your kid without giving up, that excusing away mediocrity isn't going to help the kid.

There are no weak fans here. Weak or blue sky fans wouldn't be here wasting their time venting or fighting the venters. So those who think that you absolutely must blindly support the program and don't speak a work against it should back the hell off because the blue skies fans left the building in 2007.
 

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We all are mick. My analogy gets a little fuzzy at the end, and I get your point. ND is also our life's work, and IE is a 'wife' we get to bitch to.

My manager sucks, I don't make enough money, and they don't appreciate what I do, are the equivalent of fire Charlie, eat another cheeseburger, or any of the other emotionally charged rants we share. At the end of the day, when that holiday bonus comes around or they give you that corner office, all is forgiven until there is something else to complain about. The bimbo that told you she can't stand Jimmy will want to have his babies if he leads us to the BCS next season. We all want the best for our team, our marriage, our job, even when we don't always know what it is going to take. I think both sides have the right to vent/defend, just don't start slinging at one another.

So essentially, you're my wife. Now make me some pie. ;)

LOL That first post was Great but the last line in this one makes you cool in my book . ps who stole all my posts 5 since 06 I think not HCTI probably did it
 

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...1) The parents who see their kids running with the wrong crowd (like Neutered Domer) and decide that they're going to hit the breaks before the train runs off the tracks at full speed....

I'm a badass. I like punctuation marks. And goats. And black eye patches.

Sheeeiittt.
 
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[Navy, however, is everything Notre Dame should be, but isnt. They are a machine like team executing in every situation, hitting you with a ton of bricks, and playing every play 100%.[/QUOTE]

Do you think regiment has anything to do with the style of disciplined play exhibited by the service academies? Certainly, football is a sport anchored in discipline, but there are exterior factors that can distract college athletes. Part of good coaching is to keep players focused, but I suspect that talent is more of an anchor than rigorous discipline for many student athletes. I'm not saying this is a good thing. I agree with you that Notre Dame is sorely lacking structure through discipline, but I also know that being in a service academy is a much different environment than a college or University.

From what I understand with Lou, he was pretty strict at the helm. He benched the shit out of players who fell out of line, and did so with positive results. Players knew they had to play responsibily because there were consequences that they perceived as important.

You have to wonder if this generation is full of primped and massaged athletes who are encouraged to resist controlled aggression. For example, doesn't it bother anyone that athletes are encouraged to leave for the pros so quickly? Everything is about the contract and the fame, and the coaches push that shit. Sure, the money is amazingly tempting, but the character is hard to price.

Did Lou ever face the threat of losing his players to the pros?
 
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