Fire Weis (Merged - Stop Creating New Threads)

[JefMaj]

Shamrock - I'm 54. Grew up with the late 60s games against Texas (lose one year and win the next) - '77? What next rung down is there? ND, USC, Bama, Texas, Penn St., Nebraska, LSU, Oklahoma, UM, Ohio St.... This is 1st rung. We will get back there. 10-2 this year is a start. I've got greater expectations for next year. Florida, Fla. St., Miami, are new-comers (even moreso is Boise St., BYU, Texas Tech...). As we've seen with Fla. St. (who hasn't) we will see if those have staying power. Without Urbin - well, let's just say, we have 1st rung and Florida wasn't even in the game (Playing but not a consideration) for 110 years.

 

[Brown]

LOL@ the idea that ND is so great that it's an insult to be compared to Texas. I don't care how far you go back, what rock are you living under?

 

[NDMontana]

Someone, in an earlier post, said fans that complain are band wagon fans. What kind of band wagon is that? They become ND fans when the program is down so they can bitch and then leave when the program gets good again??

I think anyone who was a bandwagon fan would've fallen off the wagon after 3-9 or 7-6 seasons. Anybody who is still claiming ND at this point is not a band wagon fan.

 

[Irish74]

Someone, in an earlier post, said fans that complain are band wagon fans. What kind of band wagon is that? They become ND fans when the program is down so they can bitch and then leave when the program gets good again??

I think anyone who was a bandwagon fan would've fallen off the wagon after 3-9 or 7-6 seasons. Anybody who is still claiming ND at this point is not a band wagon fan.

You're right, how do you jump on a bandwagon after 3-9 and 7-6, not to mention the really really bad Willingham and Davie years. Just because you complain doesn't mean your on or off a bandwagon, it just means your sick of mediocrity. No more moral victories or wait until next years, next years recruiting class. It didn't take Carrol, Meyer & Tressel 5+ years to get their "signature win". If he starts winning these games then this thread will fall off the board from inactivity. Win the big game for once.

 

[nd1988]

WEIS YOU ROCK!!!! "F" ALL THE HATERS

 

[bert2834]

WEIS YOU ROCK!!!! "F" ALL THE HATERS

This

 

[WabashFalcon]

I SECOND YOUR POST HOMIE!!!

 

[Jason Pham]

Are you REALLY comparing Notre Dame to Texas? Wow, things HAVE changed, I guess...
Standards must be lower for the younger generation. To those of us that have been here, ND stands alone, or should, with a few proud programs close by. Texas is another rung down. Its almost scary to me seeing what is acceptable these days.

I've already warned another member earlier in this very thread. You may not mean to be inflammatory but take care to remember that you are among fellow Irish fans. There's no need to be decisive. Whether they are of a differing opinion than yours or not, I'm sure you could muster up the effort to be respectful towards other posters here.

 

[jason_h537]

No, he wasn't. He was commenting on whiney fans. He used Mack Brown as an example.

Thank You.

I am still amazed that people say that we will lose a game we shouldnt.This isnt 07 or 08, this team does not quit and the much maligned D is starting to make plays as well. We are going 10-2 and will win our bowl.

 

[tankjeep]

for anybody to say that weis needs to be fired after that game last nite.......go fly a kite.

i'll admit that he had a couple of bad calls when were 3rd and 1 & 4th and 1. he went to his standard crap up the gut, and usc knew it was coming. i realize the oline needs to get better push off the line, but it's more difficult when the box is stacked.

other than that, i'm proud of the way our boys came back. they showed even more heart last nite than what we've had with other last second comebacks. this was against some serious talent on usc's defense.

my only complaint is about harrison smith. he was garbage last nite. put zeke motta in now. i'd rather a freshman make mistakes than harrison. harrison was out of position on several plays and look liked he was playing flag football. or move harrison to LB and let manti play safety, at least we know he'll tackle. he's got the speed to play there.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

for anybody to say that weis needs to be fired after that game last nite.......go fly a kite.

i'll admit that he had a couple of bad calls when were 3rd and 1 & 4th and 1. he went to his standard crap up the gut, and usc knew it was coming. i realize the oline needs to get better push off the line, but it's more difficult when the box is stacked.

other than that, i'm proud of the way our boys came back. they showed even more heart last nite than what we've had with other last second comebacks. this was against some serious talent on usc's defense.

my only complaint is about harrison smith. he was garbage last nite. put zeke motta in now. i'd rather a freshman make mistakes than harrison. harrison was out of position on several plays and look liked he was playing flag football. or move harrison to LB and let manti play safety, at least we know he'll tackle. he's got the speed to play there.

I gotta agree with you Tank. I am not big on calling out players personally because I think they are giving their best. However, I gotta make an exception with Smith. He was awful last night. Missing tackles and, when he did actually touch a guy, he tried to arm tackle and just bounced off. I agree. Time to put Zeke in. Looking at some of the plays Motta made on special teams, I think he can at least come in and give the effort.

Good post. Tried to rep, but couldn't.

 

[PhilsRule]

Obviously if he finishes 10-2, you can't fire him. If he finishes 8-4 with this schedule - I'd see who was available. If someone great was - I'd make a move.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Obviously if he finishes 10-2, you can't fire him. If he finishes 8-4 with this schedule - I'd see who was available. If someone great was - I'd make a move.

I wish people would give the "weak schedule" bullshit a rest. They are playing good teams.

And yes PhilsRule, I just used profanity.

 

[NDMontana]

Thank You.

I am still amazed that people say that we will lose a game we shouldnt.This isnt 07 or 08, this team does not quit and the much maligned D is starting to make plays as well. We are going 10-2 and will win our bowl.

Dude, I love ya, love your posts but.....Gary Gray made one interception. The defense is hardly starting to "make plays". They've given up 30+ points in 4 out of the last five games.

 

[NDMontana]

I gotta agree with you Tank. I am not big on calling out players personally because I think they are giving their best. However, I gotta make an exception with Smith. He was awful last night. Missing tackles and, when he did actually touch a guy, he tried to arm tackle and just bounced off. I agree. Time to put Zeke in. Looking at some of the plays Motta made on special teams, I think he can at least come in and give the effort.

Good post. Tried to rep, but couldn't.

Nothing new from Harrison Smith. He's been pretty awful his entire career. The boner play against Pitt last year will be his defining moment. When Kyle McCarthy gets burned it's not because he's out of position--it's because he's not athletic enough. McCarthy always gets to the ball and most often seems to be in the right position. Harrison Smith kind of just goes where ever the wind takes him.

 

[jason_h537]

I saw the d hold SC to 127 rushing yards and against Washington and USC step up in the 4th quarter to let us back in it. I know this isnt the 85 Bears but considering that 4 of our starting front 7 are sophmores and freshman, i would say they are starting to make plays. Theyre will still be growing pains but i see positive signs

 

[NDMontana]

I wish people would give the "weak schedule" bullshit a rest. They are playing good teams.

And yes PhilsRule, I just used profanity.

That's very debatable. I don't think the schedule is weak. It's smart and it's "manageable" but it's not weak. But to say that ND is playing good teams is a stretch. Nevada, MSU, Purdue, Washington, WSU. Record alone doesn't make a team good or bad. Shit, Idaho is 6-1....they'll be lucky if Boise State doesn't hang 50 on them. Records can be deceiving and that works both ways. Notre Dame's 4-2 isn't the same as Michigan's 5-2 or Ohio State's 5-2. You need to consider the quality of competition that the opponents have faced as well and, to be honest, the teams we've played and will play have impressive records against fairly weak competition.

Long story short is that the schedule isn't weak or strong. It's a smart schedule.

 

[kmoose]

I saw the d hold SC to 127 rushing yards and against Washington and USC step up in the 4th quarter to let us back in it. I know this isnt the 85 Bears but considering that 4 of our starting front 7 are sophmores and freshman, i would say they are starting to make plays. Theyre will still be growing pains but i see positive signs

I think the point he was trying to get at, jason, is that the defense, as a unit, has not put together a solid game, since Nevada. If the secondary plays well, the front 7 seems to have a terrible game. As the front 7 improves, the secondary seems to regress. It's not that there haven't been some outstanding plays, here and there, on an individual basis......it's that the defense hasn't played well, across the board, as a unit, since the Nevada game.

 

[NDMontana]

I think the point he was trying to get at, jason, is that the defense, as a unit, has not put together a solid game, since Nevada. If the secondary plays well, the front 7 seems to have a terrible game. As the front 7 improves, the secondary seems to regress. It's not that there haven't been some outstanding plays, here and there, on an individual basis......it's that the defense hasn't played well, across the board, as a unit, since the Nevada game.

Spot on. Too much ebb and flow for my taste. It's good then it's bad, it's bad then it's good. If this defense could hold each opponent to 24 or less this offense will win every game. The problem is that this defense just isn't doing that. And no matter what side you're on that's CW's problem. This isn't another call to fire him but he's in his fifth season. Last year the first kids he recruited graduated (or could have). This defense is light years away from being good and the scheme is awful and you can't blame Ty Willingham for that. I don't care how CW call plays on offense--he's the head coach, not the offensive co-ordinator. That means he's accountable for the defense too.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

That's very debatable. I don't think the schedule is weak. It's smart and it's "manageable" but it's not weak. But to say that ND is playing good teams is a stretch. Nevada, MSU, Purdue, Washington, WSU. Record alone doesn't make a team good or bad. Shit, Idaho is 6-1....they'll be lucky if Boise State doesn't hang 50 on them. Records can be deceiving and that works both ways. Notre Dame's 4-2 isn't the same as Michigan's 5-2 or Ohio State's 5-2. You need to consider the quality of competition that the opponents have faced as well and, to be honest, the teams we've played and will play have impressive records against fairly weak competition.

Long story short is that the schedule isn't weak or strong. It's a smart schedule.

Why did you take the time to type that my friend? And why don't you post more often? Pisses me off when I don't see you logged on.

ND has a D-1 schedule. Against good teams on a national stage. They are rebuilding. Patience. They just lil dogs now.

 

[kmoose]

I don't care how CW call plays on offense--he's the head coach, not the offensive co-ordinator.

Actually, he is the Offensive Coordinator, as well. But your point is well taken.

 

[jmurphy75]

That's very debatable. I don't think the schedule is weak. It's smart and it's "manageable" but it's not weak. But to say that ND is playing good teams is a stretch. Nevada, MSU, Purdue, Washington, WSU. Record alone doesn't make a team good or bad. Shit, Idaho is 6-1....they'll be lucky if Boise State doesn't hang 50 on them. Records can be deceiving and that works both ways. Notre Dame's 4-2 isn't the same as Michigan's 5-2 or Ohio State's 5-2. You need to consider the quality of competition that the opponents have faced as well and, to be honest, the teams we've played and will play have impressive records against fairly weak competition.

Long story short is that the schedule isn't weak or strong. It's a smart schedule.

I concur our schedule is not weak, we lost to a now 5-2 Michigan, and a 6th ranked USC, and beat Washington who already beat USC, and Perdue that put down Ohio State not to mention that Nevada isn't a throw away team.

 

[NDMontana]

Why did you take the time to type that my friend? And why don't you post more often? Pisses me off when I don't see you logged on.

ND has a D-1 schedule. Against good teams on a national stage. They are rebuilding. Patience. They just lil dogs now.

I was off getting married!! I was out of town for the Purdue and UW games and the bye week. Long time to be gone. You might have been the only person who missed me!!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Nope. Chime in more often buddy. And congrats.

 

[NDMontana]

Nope. Chime in more often buddy. And congrats.

Thanks. I'll give your condolences to my wife!

 

[Honey Nut Irish]

Well I have to say...I don't see Charlie surviving this Navy debacle. But the real question is, who would be a good replacement?

I still think Charlie should be kept as the offensive coordinator.

Note: I haven't given up on this game, however, win or lose I don't think things look good for Charlie now.

 

[ubet49]

offense

offense

What offense. The guy does not have a clue how to run the ball on a team with only 3 down linemen. His defense sucks also. Our fat line men can't sustain there blocks long enough for our running backs to get 2 yrds. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Well I have to say...I don't see Charlie surviving this Navy debacle. But the real question is, who would be a good replacement?

I still think Charlie should be kept as the offensive coordinator.

Note: I haven't given up on this game, however, win or lose I don't think things look good for Charlie now.

 

[WabashFalcon]

What offense. The guy does not have a clue how to run the ball on a team with only 3 down linemen. His defense sucks also. Our fat line men can't sustain there blocks long enough for our running backs to get 2 yrds. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Really? When you are down to scores to a team that eats up the clock on the ground? You want to run and continue to eat up clock? Really? Really?

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

I've never said it before..ever..until now. Fire Weis. I'm on boad. He's a great recruiter but a bad coach. He nearly let Navy win again last year after he took his foort off of the gas. Completely unacceptable.

 

[Junkhead]

I feel bad for the kids in the program, but CW just doesn't have it as a coach.