Watch Bama and LSU

[Polish Leppy 22]

I watched Bama's D line destroy a good ole miss team today. Now I'm watching LSU handle Florida.

Compare what these defenses do to what we have to watch every saturday. It's not even close.

I'm a diehard ND fan and will be til the day I die, but the best football, especially defensively, is down in the SEC.

These guys are huge, they can all move, and they miss very few tackles.

I know I"ll have a couple guys talk about these schools' academics and blah blah, but hey, they win CHAMPIONSHIPS. I can honestly say I've enjoyed watching this fast, hard nosed football all day.

With all that said, if bama or lsu had clausen they'd go undefeated haha

 

[DirtySecret]

I watched Bama's D line destroy a good ole miss team today. Now I'm watching LSU handle Florida.

Compare what these defenses do to what we have to watch every saturday. It's not even close.

I'm a diehard ND fan and will be til the day I die, but the best football, especially defensively, is down in the SEC.

These guys are huge, they can all move, and they miss very few tackles.

I know I"ll have a couple guys talk about these schools' academics and blah blah, but hey, they win CHAMPIONSHIPS. I can honestly say I've enjoyed watching this fast, hard nosed football all day.

With all that said, if bama or lsu had clausen they'd go undefeated haha

If you knew than why did you even make this post.. The difference is SEC can use JUCO and get kids in with low GPA into their program. Of course your going to have speed and talent when you don't have a high admission standards.

 

[wallym]

I'm so tired of the academic standards excuse. We have as much talent, both offense and defense, as any SEC team. Plus, if we have academic standards that are so high, and we get smarter kids, why do we not play smart?

This excuse gets very old, and it's what happens to our kids once they get to ND (i.e. coaching).

 

[DirtySecret]

I'm so tired of the academic standards excuse. We have as much talent, both offense and defense, as any SEC team. Plus, if we have academic standards that are so high, and we get smarter kids, why do we not play smart?

This excuse gets very old, and it's what happens to our kids once they get to ND (i.e. coaching).

It's not excuse, it's a fact. Bedside Vandy(who by the way is a bottom feeder SEC team) every other SEC program is a football factory. Those Universities live off of their football progarm in hopes to have a sucessful season to bring in money.

 

[wallym]

so, we don't lean on our football program to bring in money?

I hear ya, though. I love our standards, don't get me wrong, I'm just tired of hearing it as an excuse for us not getting good players. we have them, now we have to get the most out of them.

 

[DirtySecret]

so, we don't lean on our football program to bring in money?

I hear ya, though. I love our standards, don't get me wrong, I'm just tired of hearing it as an excuse for us not getting good players. we have them, now we have to get the most out of them.

I'm not denying we have talent. Yes, we have talent in a couple of position, but all round louded with talent like SEC teams, no. Not many talented kids keep their head in the books because they're already looking toward the NFL before they even play a snap of football in their collegiate career. Than again, you get a few talented kids who keep their head in the books, but that's very far and few in between.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

It's not excuse, it's a fact. Bedside Vandy(who by the way is a bottom feeder SEC team) every other SEC program is a football factory. Those Universities live off of their football progarm in hopes to have a sucessful season to bring in money.

Take away ND's football program and that school brings in the same amount of money as Catholic University in MD.

I can't believe you used that as an argument. ND football brings in more money than any other football program in the country. Forbes magazine did a report on it last fall. Texas was a VERY close two. Only thing that pushed ND over was the NBC contract.

Vandy isn't like a Maryland. They had a helluva run last year before hitting a few rough spots. I was just pointing out how fun it was as someone who knows more about football than watching where the ball goes, bama and lsu's defenses were relentless, especially in the front 7

 

[DirtySecret]

Take away ND's football program and that school brings in the same amount of money as Catholic University in MD.

I can't believe you used that as an argument. ND football brings in more money than any other football program in the country. Forbes magazine did a report on it last fall. Texas was a VERY close two. Only thing that pushed ND over was the NBC contract.

Vandy isn't like a Maryland. They had a helluva run last year before hitting a few rough spots. I was just pointing out how fun it was as someone who knows more about football than watching where the ball goes, bama and lsu's defenses were relentless, especially in the front 7

Vandy was good last year? They lost to Duke!!! They were decent considering teams like LSU, Auburn, Tenn, and Arkansas all went through down years. SEC had little to none quarterback play last year. They didn't hit rough spots the teams that were down are now decent.

 

[Dacian_Irish]

Yeah their defense great. Just remember they are a year ahead of us in depth! They have 7 seniors starting on defense which is huge!

I also believe our defense will be awesome next year when we'll have more experience and depth, more SR/JR's starting!

 

[jason_h537]

The SECis overrated. LSU is overrated. Miles got a break and won a championship with 2 losses and the team has steadily gotten worse each year he has been there. Ole Miss was all hype because they beat Florida. Outside of the Gators and Bama name another SEC team that is for real. This conference bases there entire reputation of off playing each other and uses the "strength" of their conference as an excuse to play Troy and UL-whatever every year.

They may be the best conference but they are not head and shoulders above the Big-12 or Pac-10 like alot of people think

I also hate how they talk about their 3 NC's the last 3 years. I did not know Championships were awarded to conferences. If thats the case Vandy is a powerhouse

 

[BGIF]

...

I know I"ll have a couple guys talk about these schools' academics and blah blah, but hey, they win CHAMPIONSHIPS. I can honestly say I've enjoyed watching this fast, hard nosed football all day.

...

Remind me about the last time ND signed 33 players.

SOP for Bama, Auburn, et al.

 

[irishfan]

Remind me about the last time ND signed 33 players.

SOP for Bama, Auburn, et al.

how about 38? ole miss

 

[DirtySecret]

The SECis overrated. LSU is overrated. Miles got a break and won a championship with 2 losses and the team has steadily gotten worse each year he has been there. Ole Miss was all hype because they beat Florida. Outside of the Gators and Bama name another SEC team that is for real. This conference bases there entire reputation of off playing each other and uses the "strength" of their conference as an excuse to play Troy and UL-whatever every year.

They may be the best conference but they are not head and shoulders above the Big-12 or Pac-10 like alot of people think

I also hate how they talk about their 3 NC's the last 3 years. I did not know Championships were awarded to conferences. If thats the case Vandy is a powerhouse

What's even more ridiculous is UF won. Now all were going to hear the next full week is how Tebow is amazing. How he came back from a concussion and beat #4 LSU on the road. Blah, Blah, fucking, blah! More ballwashing for Tebow, just give him the fucking heisman already, sheesh!

 

[kmoose]

Take away ND's football program and that school brings in the same amount of money as Catholic University in MD.

I can't believe you used that as an argument. ND football brings in more money than any other football program in the country. Forbes magazine did a report on it last fall. Texas was a VERY close two. Only thing that pushed ND over was the NBC contract.

Vandy isn't like a Maryland. They had a helluva run last year before hitting a few rough spots. I was just pointing out how fun it was as someone who knows more about football than watching where the ball goes, bama and lsu's defenses were relentless, especially in the front 7

I think the point he was trying to make is ........ take away the football program, and ND is not in any financial trouble at all. Take away the football program at the average SEC school, and you are looking at tuition hikes that most likely would significantly damage the school's enrollment.

 

[irishtrain]

right on the $$$ kmoose, Notre Dame is fine without football $$$, those schools hit the skids without football $$$. And they are not student athletes they are semi pro football players. I'll take the way Notre Dame does it. Just ask Oklahoma State if they could do their latest fiasco differently.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Fucking Omar Hunter... Fucking Trattaou...

 

[NDinL.A.]

Couple of things here, from what I've read on this thread:

1. ND does NOT have the same talent on defense as those SEC schools. Not even close. Someone said that, and it simply isn't true. We have some talent, but we don't run as fast, aren't as big, and don't hit as hard. Those are some beasts out there playing for Bama, LSU and Florida. My Lord those guys can hit. Yes, the academic restrictions kill, but just saying, our defense just doesn't have the same types of athletes. At FL, as 4.4 is considered too slow.

2. THE SEC offenses, aside from FL and maybe Arkansas, are remedial at best. Their QBs suck, their schemes suck, and if you stop their run they're done. That Georgia-LSU game last week set offensive football back 20 years, until the last 4 minutes of the game. Pathetic. Last night was the same thing. Without Tebow the battering ram, FL ran a mediocre offense. And LSU continues to have the worst offense I've ever seen out of a (wannabe) top 10 team. Yes, the SEC's defenses have something to do with that, but not to the point where getting a first down in the air is like a victory for the offense. Pathetic...

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Thanks for being objective. That's the point I was trying to make. Take those SEC players on D, compare them to ND, and it's night and day.

SEC overrated? Good Lord. Wake up. That's like saying the NFC East is weak.

LSU is a top 20 team. Florida #1. Bama #3. Arkansas is rising. Tennessee getting better. Auburn 4-1. South Carolina 4-1. Georgia just took one on the chin but still a good team.

Like I said in my original post, if any of these teams (exluding UF) had clausen they'd be untouchable. The QB play overall is weak down there. But the strength and athleticism on tv yesterday was at a whoooooooole different level

 

[BillyIrish]

i am with you polish. i threw my hat at the TV on the first play of the LSU Florida game when old man river said "and Omar Hunter in on the tackle"


Another team with a dominating front is Ohio State. I was at the OSU Wisconsin game yesterday and OSU's down 4 had constant pressure in Wisconsin's backfield. Gibson is going to be a top 15 pick. OSU would probably run the table with Jimmy. Pryor is struggling big time. Bad mechanics, indecisive, playing in a bad scheme.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Forgot about OSU. You're right. Their front 4 was in the backfield against Wisconsin's HUGE o line all day.

 

[jason_h537]

The only difference is the dline. Are d line and young and inexperienced. We have size and speed in our back seven.

Manti Te'o 6'2 244 Rolando McClain 6'4 255

Brian Smith 6'3 250 Dont'a Hightower 6'4 250

Darius Fleming 6'1 240 Cory Reamer 6'4 234

thats not that big of a dispairity

d line is the biggest difference

ian williams 6'2 295 Mount Cody 6'5 354

Ethan Johnson 6'4 280 Brandon Deadrick 6-4 306

Kapron Lewis Moore 6'4 270 L Washington 6'5 290

 

[JefMaj]

My problem with SEC is they don't allow themselves to be judged - yeah, Bama will (Virginia Tech) - was LSU taking a gamble in taking on Washington in an opener after UW was coming off a 0-12 schedule? But they play a list of jokes:
Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida It., North Texas, Missouri State, Louisiana Tech/Lafayette/Monroe, Ball St., Jacksonville State., Tenn. Chatt., Memphis, Miami O, Florida Atlantic., Citedel, Western Kentucky, Ohio, Western Carolina, Rice.... And more of the same in their future out of conference challenges.

Then at he end of the season their losses are against each other and they claim to have the toughest conference. I'd like to know - but I can't be criticized if I claim the SEC is overrated. They're a good 3 team conference - Auburn and Ole Miss proved that.

I'm impressed with the Pac 10- who I usually rip on.

Now, after all that spewage - I think Bama is the best team in the country - Florida, Iowa, Virginia Tech, Texas (until/unless proven otherwise), Oregon, Cincinatti, Georgia Tech, and Boise State are tied for 2nd.

We beat USC this weekend and we play Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl, however, LSU and Florida don't scare me anymore than USC. I want no part of Bama.

 

[jonesman]

Guys,
I don't know what funny stuff some of you are smoking, but we do NOT have the defensive athletes that some of these SEC schools field.

This is a fact for a couple reasons. First, they have built depth to where many kids are redshirted to gain depth. 2009 is the first year we are really able to allow kids to redshirt which gives them time to develop. Look at our DL. Because we have had so few good years of DL recruits, we do not have a single senior or 5th on our two deep. Imagine how nice it would be this year to have Pat Kuntz as a 5th year senior playing DT which would allow Ethan to play DE in place of Ryan. But, we had to play Kuntz as an unprepared freshman.

Second, JUCO transfers are a big assett to plug those recruiting misses or holes made thru graduation. Just yesterday, I heard Mushmouth on ABC say that the best DT on LSU was celebrating his 24th birthday. 24!!!!! That is freakin 5 years older than some of our DL players. As I said in another post, the top defenses are starting a minimum of 8 upper classmen and a couple were starting 11 seniors or 5th year players.

In conclusion, CW is building depth which we will benefit from, but it takes time with our standards. We are closing the gap. GO IRISH!

 

[CuerVo0220]

If you knew than why did you even make this post.. The difference is SEC can use JUCO and get kids in with low GPA into their program. Of course your going to have speed and talent when you don't have a high admission standards.

Why does every always assume that the good players are academically retarded. Smart kids can play just aswell. We should be glad ND sets the standard and stop complaining about and using it as excuses.

 

[jason_h537]

Jonesman you just said the same thing i did. The D line and is young and undersized.

 

[JefMaj]

I didn't say we could throw a big can of woop-ass on Florida and LSUs offense - But, they scare me no more than USC- who I respect for their talent if nothing else. Our offense holds its own against each, except as I said - I want no part of Bama in any way. Now, LSU and even Florida's offenses haven't impressed (Washington, Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi St). LSU was flat out overranked and snuck by on a few games (three lsited above) and Florida snuck by Florida. Our defense don't play against their defense.

 

[CuerVo0220]

Watching that Florida - LSU game last did make me wonder though... what if... what if Urban Meyer was on the ND sideline. I love watching ND and their big explosive offense, but I just can't wait to see ND have a dominate D. Imagine seeing Gold hemets on the highlight reels smashing and running over wide recievers and beating down running backs. I want our D to be feared!!! But we have CW and not UM. Atleast we have a great offense and Heisman Quarterback!!! GO IRISH!

 

[jason_h537]

Fuck Urban Meyer

 

[BGIF]

Why does every always assume that the good players are academically retarded. Smart kids can play just aswell. We should be glad ND sets the standard and stop complaining about and using it as excuses.

No one always said they ever were, 'ceptin' you.

The list of documented athletes who could't get admitted to ND is long. It been discussed numerous times on this board and others. The names Randy Moss, Carson Palmer, David Terrell, Jarrett Payton, Duckett rings any bells? None were retarded. All failed to get ND Admissions approval.

You're not familiar with ND Admissions policies, are you?

 

[JefMaj]

Randy Moss didn't get in because after he was accepted and got the offer/accepted it - he broke the law and it was pulled. Wasn't grades - if my memory serves me well.

In high school he was involved in a racially charged assault and his scholarship was pulled by ND. - wickipedia