Turk Named Starting Punter

[NDinL.A.]

Depth chart was released and Turk is the punter. Long time coming IMO. Can't be any worse than Maust. Good luck kid...

 

[tgolden]

I believe you, but just out of curiosity, where does one find these depth charts released? I've been looking and can't find it.

I think this move needed to be made, but I feel bad for Maust. He's a good guy.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

The punting has been less than good, but I am thinking it is not the punter. It could be as simple as moving his three immediate blockers up 2 yards. I absolutely hate that formation. Every punt I think he is going to kick them in the ass before the ball gets off. Punter must feel that way too.



Get the special teams right once and for all.

 

[WabashFalcon]

The spread punt has been installed and wil lbe around for a long time in both pro and college football. The versitility of the formation allows for multiple "speedy" guys to line up and run downfield on coverage in addition to opening up an entire grab-bag of potentional fakes.

 

[NDinL.A.]

The punting has been less than good, but I am thinking it is not the punter. It could be as simple as moving his three immediate blockers up 2 yards. I absolutely hate that formation. Every punt I think he is going to kick them in the ass before the ball gets off. Punter must feel that way too. Does not allow for full extension of the leg. Stupid coaching.

Get the special teams right once and for all CW. Quit blaming the athletes.

Neutered, it's the new rage in college football, and half the teams are using it. The reson being is that the rules are different in college than pro. In the pros, the guys can't leave until the ball is kicked. In college, they can leave before the ball is kicked, so for some reason (I forget why, but it makes sense), this formation that you hate (and believe me, I was right there with you) makes complete sense to over half the college teams. Polian studied it from various successful universities this summer. He's still on the fence with it himself, but he likes the results.

As for Maust, this formation wasn't there before and he still had a horrible year. This one's on him, not the coaches. Great guy, but his performance has dropped, and this is big boy athletics, so he got replaced. Part of the game...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

The spread punt has been installed and wil lbe around for a long time in both pro and college football. The versitility of the formation allows for multiple "speedy" guys to line up and run downfield on coverage in addition to opening up an entire grab-bag of potentional fakes.

Move up the friggen back wall 1-2 feet.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I believe you, but just out of curiosity, where does one find these depth charts released? I've been looking and can't find it.

I think this move needed to be made, but I feel bad for Maust. He's a good guy.

I got mine from a pay site, but I've seen it listed other places before. Here you go:

Notre Dame Offense
X
23 GOLDEN TATE 5-11 195 Jr.
1 Deion Walker 6-2 193 So.
or 11 Shaquelle Evans 6-1 203 Fr.

LT
72 Paul Duncan 6-7 315 Sr.
77 Matt Romine 6-5 295 Jr.

LG
59 CHRIS STEWART 6-5 330 Sr.
51 DAN WENGER 6-4 302 Sr.

C
55 ERIC OLSEN 6-4 305 Sr.
51 DAN WENGER 6-4 302 Sr.

RG
78 Trevor Robinson 6-5 305 So.
76 Andrew Nuss 6-5 300 Jr.

RT
74 SAM YOUNG 6-8 320 Sr.
75 Taylor Dever 6-5 301 Jr.

TE
9 KYLE RUDOLPH 6-6 260 So.
83 Mike Ragone 6-5 251 Jr.

Z
18 DUVAL KAMARA 6-5 219 Jr.
or 82 Robby Parris 6-3 205 Sr.
81 John Goodman 6-3 203 So.

QB
7 JIMMY CLAUSEN 6-3 223 Jr.
10 Dayne Crist 6-4 235 So.

FB
33 Robert Hughes 5-11 234 Jr.
86 Bobby Burger 6-3 248 Sr.

HB
5 ARMANDO ALLEN 5-10 200 Jr.
25 Jonas Gray 5-10 220 So.

Notre Dame Defense
LDE
89 Kapron Lewis-Moore 6-4 270 So.
53 Morrice Richardson 6-2 255 Sr.

DT
9 Ethan Johnson 6-4 280 So.
79 Hafis Williams 6-2 295 So.

NT
95 IAN WILLIAMS 6-2 295 Jr.
98 Sean Cwynar 6-4 283 So.

RDE
90 John Ryan 6-5 255 Sr.
56 KERRY NEAL 6-2 250 Jr.

SAM
45 Darius Fleming 6-1 240 So.
41 Scott Smith 6-4 245 Sr.
or 46 Steve Filer 6-3 236 So.

MIKE
49 Toryan Smith 6-1 244 Sr.
(58 BRIAN SMITH 6-3 240 Jr.)
54 Anthony McDonald 6-2 230 So.

WILL
58 BRIAN SMITH 6-3 240 Jr.
5 Manti Te’o 6-2 244 Fr.
36 David Posluszny 6-0 225 So.

LCB
12 Robert Blanton 6-1 185 So.
26 Jamoris Slaughter 6-0 185 So.
or 4 Gary Gray 5-11 190 Jr.

FS
22 HARRISON SMITH% 6-2 207 Jr.
6 Ray Herring 5-10 200 Sr.

SS
28 KYLE McCARTHY 6-1 210 Sr.
31 Sergio Brown 6-2 205 Sr.

RCB
2 Darrin Walls# 6-0 190 Sr.
or 8 RAESHON McNEIL 6-0 190 Sr.

Notre Dame Special Teams
PK
40 Nick Tausch 6-0 190 Fr.
14 BRANDON WALKER 6-3 213 Jr.

P
35 Ben Turk 5-11 193 Fr.
43 ERIC MAUST 6-2 190 Sr.

LS
60 Jordan Cowart 6-2 215 Fr.
50 Ryan Kavanagh 6-3 190 So.

SS
52 Braxston Cave 6-3 310 So.
60 Jordan Cowart 6-2 215 Fr.

HLD
43 ERIC MAUST 6-2 190 Sr.
13 Evan Sharpley 6-2 215 Sr.

PR
23 GOLDEN TATE 5-11 195 Jr.
5 Armando Allen 5-10 200 Jr.

KR
21 Barry Gallup, Jr. 5-11 190 Sr.
32 Theo Riddick 5-10 195 Fr.
11 Shaquelle Evans 6-1 203 Fr.
33 Robert Hughes 5-11 234 Jr.

KO
40 Nick Tausch 6-0 190 Fr.
48 David Ruffer 6-1 180 Jr.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Neutered, it's the new rage in college football, and half the teams are using it. The reson being is that the rules are different in college than pro. In the pros, the guys can't leave until the ball is kicked. In college, they can leave before the ball is kicked, so for some reason (I forget why, but it makes sense), this formation that you hate (and believe me, I was right there with you) makes complete sense to over half the college teams. Polian studied it from various successful universities this summer. He's still on the fence with it himself, but he likes the results.

As for Maust, this formation wasn't there before and he still had a horrible year. This one's on him, not the coaches. Great guy, but his performance has dropped, and this is big boy athletics, so he got replaced. Part of the game...

OK, and yada with the new rage, but can you tell me what you notice about his technique? It's blaringly obvious to me, and I think it has something to do with his wall being too damn close. (Well, other technical stuff that will take too long to type...) I tell ya, if punter's wall don't line up 1-3 feet further, he is going to kick them in the ass any time soon.


Now THAT will be embarrassing.

 

[irishfan]

Get the special teams right once and for all CW. Quit blaming the athletes.

Umm you're not gonna find a coach who is more loyal to his players or coaches. And he already backed up Maust once this year after the Michigan game. It's not like Weis is gonna go Jim Mora Jr. on a player and completely blame him for a loss. Also, Weis already said this year that he was hesitant to change up starters on the d-line because he didnt want to make one player seem like he was being blamed for the d-line's struggles. Not to mention the fact that he specifically named Haywood the o-coordinator after 2007 and not 2006 because he knew 2007 the difficulties that the offense was going to face and didnt want to completely throw him under the bus. He's even switched up the punt formations for different teams that we've played depending on their punt return/block strategies. Guy knows his special teams and takes them very seriously.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Umm you're not gonna find a coach who is more loyal QUOTE]

Hi buddy. Not questioning that. It is a matter of one or two feet. Front wall.

Just an observation.

 

[irishfan]

Umm you're not gonna find a coach who is more loyal QUOTE]

Hi buddy. Not questioning that. It is a matter of one or two feet. Front wall.

Just an observation.

Honestly, I could have misinterpreted but you said "quit blaming the athletes" and i'm assuming you're referring to Weis when you say that. And how many times you seen a punter punt the ball into his own guy?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

By changing punters you are blaming the athlete , and (I have no inside info, just quick observation) I quickly noticed this season that front wall is too close.

I have seen punters punt into a front wall ass many times. I have actually cringed watching punts this year before the punt thinking a new asshole would be born.

 

[irishfan]

By changing punters you are blaming the athlete , and (I have no inside info, just quick observation) I quickly noticed this season that front wall is too close.

I have seen punters punt into a front wall ass many times. I have actually cringed watching punts this year before the punt thinking a new asshole would be born.

not doubting you, but if you could provide a video from youtube to verify and for some laughs then it would be appreciated

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

not doubting you, but if you could provide a video from youtube to verify and for some laughs then it would be appreciated

ok I actually did a quick search on U toob to find video but found nothing.

Kicking into the front block has happened often. Don't doubt me.

Move up 1 or 2 feet.

 

[phork]

By not changing personel because you are afraid to hurt some feelings is pretty damn silly. If they aren't getting the job done, a la Kamara, then you should be yanked.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

ok I actually did a quick search on U toob to find video but found nothing.

Kicking into the front block has happened often. Don't doubt me.

Move up 1 or 2 feet.

Seriously? I know alot of people think the coaches are stupid. But come on. There is no way they arent allowing Maust to get full extension on his kicks. It may look close on tv, but there is plently of room there. He is just not getting it done, plain and simple

 

[weisbank4]

Maust would be fine if they didnt have 3 friggen guys standing 11 inches in front of him, I dont even know how he gets punts off, it looks like hes gonna kick the ball into the upbacks helmets. That formation is the stupidest thing Ive seen from college football this year.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Maust would be fine if they didnt have 3 friggen guys standing 11 inches in front of him, I dont even know how he gets punts off, it looks like hes gonna kick the ball into the upbacks helmets. That formation is the stupidest thing Ive seen from college football this year.

Its not new. Teams have been running it for years. He has plenty of room to kick. Please tell me why would any coach not give his own punter room to kick. He wouldnt!!!

 

[weisbank4]

Well, what I saw was the guys running into the 3 upbacks knocking them backwards about 2 yards and Maust coming forward about 2 yards and damn near meeting in the middle. Thus he adjusted a lot of the punts to go high and short versus deep and lower.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Well, what I saw was the guys running into the 3 upbacks knocking them backwards about 2 yards and Maust coming forward about 2 yards and damn near meeting in the middle. Thus he adjusted a lot of the punts to go high and short versus deep and lower.

Well... what I see is a formation that has yet to produce a blocked kick and good punt coverage.

 

[Steve]

punter is no different than any other position. if he can't execute in this new formation, he's gonna get benched.

 

[weisbank4]

"Well... what I see is a formation that has yet to produce a blocked kick and good punt coverage."

well what I see is the punter getting benched. So Im gonna assume the truth is somewhere in between. Although I would disagree on the good coverage part. Also, a blocked punt is a semi rare thing to happen in any formation so I wouldnt exactly laud the formation for saving blocked punts.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Well, what I saw was the guys running into the 3 upbacks knocking them backwards about 2 yards and Maust coming forward about 2 yards and damn near meeting in the middle. Thus he adjusted a lot of the punts to go high and short versus deep and lower.

Dude, half the teams in college run it. It's not brand new. Polian went to other college coaches to study it.

As for short punts, I take it you didn't watch ND last year, because in the 'normal' punt schemes, Maust still sucked. You can blame it on the scheme all you want, but the common denominator is that Maust hasn't been good for 2 years...

 

[weisbank4]

Dude, it is brand new to ND. I know it wasnt invented this year.

Could you stop with the "you must not have watched" garbage?

I watch every game, home ones from inside the stadium. Away ones from a 50 inch plasma. Im seeing everything.

My opinion is that Maust is getting artificial pressure from the formation and hes hitting high, low distant kicks. Thats what Ive observed. I dont think hes a great punter, I trust the coaches are playing the guy who deserves the job so Im not worried about it. Im just not gonna down the kid because he was good enough to start for Notre Dame so there must be an issue with something.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Again, last year was the scheme was the way you like it, and he was still awful. If you think he's bad this year because of the scheme, then I'm going to assume you didn't watch the games last year. Sorry. Your premise doesn't make sense. What was the excuse last year then? Snapper sucked? Gunners made him jumpy? Shoes too tight?

As for him being good enough to start for ND so that means something else is wrong.....ummmm, are you serious? So everybody that can start for ND is great so it's all the coaches' faults???? Wow, I've heard a lot of crazy things but that's just bad bro. Maurice Crum Jr was good enough to start for ND, as was Terrell Lambert, as was Brandon Walker, as is Toryan Smith, as is John Ryan, as was Demetrious Jones (the QB version), as was Duval Kamara, etc etc etc etc etc. Do I need to go on? Just because they start for ND at one time doesn't mean they are great and that it's the coach's fault that they aren't performing. Did you ever play sports? There were times when I just didn't have it that day, plain and simple. Nothing to do with coaching, even when I was the best player on the team. And there were times when I was at a level that was just too tough for me, and I couldn't perform like I wanted to. Nothing to do with coaching.

It's obvious that you've turned against Weis, whichis fine. But you seem to be blaming him or the coaching staff for EVERYTHING. You even lied about Crist's drives just to try and prove your point about how bad Weis is on another thread. Sometimes, you have to look at the athlete...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Dude, it is brand new to ND. I know it wasnt invented this year.

Could you stop with the "you must not have watched" garbage?

I watch every game, home ones from inside the stadium. Away ones from a 50 inch plasma. Im seeing everything.

My opinion is that Maust is getting artificial pressure from the formation and hes hitting high, low distant kicks. Thats what Ive observed. I dont think hes a great punter, I trust the coaches are playing the guy who deserves the job so Im not worried about it. Im just not gonna down the kid because he was good enough to start for Notre Dame so there must be an issue with something.

Agree. It was actually obvious to me from the first punt of the season. I'll type it again, and I'll type it slowly:

Move
the
guys
up
1
yard.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Agree. It was actually obvious to me from the first punt of the season. I'll type it again, and I'll type it slowly:

Move
the
guys
up
1
yard.

Move it up a yard, it is a bit more difficult to protect the edges. Can't protect the edges against a speed rush = blocked punt.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Dude, it is brand new to ND. I know it wasnt invented this year.

Could you stop with the "you must not have watched" garbage?

I watch every game, home ones from inside the stadium. Away ones from a 50 inch plasma. Im seeing everything.

My opinion is that Maust is getting artificial pressure from the formation and hes hitting high, low distant kicks. Thats what Ive observed. I dont think hes a great punter, I trust the coaches are playing the guy who deserves the job so Im not worried about it. Im just not gonna down the kid because he was good enough to start for Notre Dame so there must be an issue with something.

I have heard that LCD is better than plasma, so you should really think about making a change...

Just messin with ya

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Move it up 1 yard

 

[Steve]

Move it up 1 yard

NO! lol