2010 recruit you want most...

[fightinirish68]

1. Henderson

2. Henderson

3. Henderson!!!!

He is a flat out stud!!! A once every 10 year player!!! Yes, think Orlando Pace. Players (QB, RB) will come BECAUSE of him.

they compare all really good lineman to orlando pace haha. they said the EXACT thing about michael oher when he came from briarcrest

 

[Clausen2Kamara]

they compare all really good lineman to orlando pace haha. they said the EXACT thing about michael oher when he came from briarcrest

Last I checked Oher is prob going in the top 10...

 

[fightinirish68]

Last I checked Oher is prob going in the top 10...

i mean i wasnt arguing the fact hes good. i was sayin they said the same thing about oher and look how well he did.

 

[edcubby]

Hendrson has that potential...to be a "Pace type player"!!!!

There is NO one one the Irish roster with potential...no one...Mantu, Jimmy C, Floyd...no one.

Henderson is the STUD...a must have.

 

[IrishInFl]

Why does everyone seem to compare Henderson to Pace anyway? I think he's more like Jonathen Ogden.

 

[Clausen2Kamara]

i mean i wasnt arguing the fact hes good. i was sayin they said the same thing about oher and look how well he did.

My bad, I misunderstood you!

 

[WabashFalcon]

Hendrson has that potential...to be a "Pace type player"!!!!

There is NO one one the Irish roster with potential...no one...Mantu, Jimmy C, Floyd...no one.

Henderson is the STUD...a must have.

I disagree. Floyd, in his freshman year, showed the magic and ability to make plays that I had seen in a young Randy Moss at Marshall. Clausen flipped a switch last year and has been labeled as THE prototypical Pro Quarterback by numerous NFL scouts. If he keeps improving over the next two years, there is no reason why he can't be a great Pro QB like Quinn will be. Last, Manti was described by Pete motherfucking Carrol to be the "BEST player he has EVER recruited." He could be the next Ray Lewis or the next Rob Morris. We don't know. The POTENTIAL is there to be a legendary player. We don't have a crystal ball.

As for the Minnasota Mountain, I would love to get him. But a torn quad here and a torn pec there... you never know how a career can be derailed.

 

[fightinirish68]

I disagree. Floyd, in his freshman year, showed the magic and ability to make plays that I had seen in a young Randy Moss at Marshall. Clausen flipped a switch last year and has been labeled as THE prototypical Pro Quarterback by numerous NFL scouts. If he keeps improving over the next two years, there is no reason why he can't be a great Pro QB like Quinn will be. Last, Manti was described by Pete motherfucking Carrol to be the "BEST player he has EVER recruited." He could be the next Ray Lewis or the next Rob Morris. We don't know. The POTENTIAL is there to be a legendary player. We don't have a crystal ball.

As for the Minnasota Mountain, I would love to get him. But a torn quad here and a torn pec there... you never know how a career can be derailed.

thats a bold statement my friend. i wouldnt go as far to say randy because he didnt have 20 some odd touchdowns in a season, but he did call for mismatches and used his large frame well. but hes definitely a go to guy.

to the other dude, how does jimmy not have potential? hawaii said he was the best qb they have seen on film..nfl scouts all ready have said all of the intangibles are there for him to be great, he just has to get bigger and work on mobility a little.

and kyle rudolph has potential. he had a great fr year and will only get bigger, and only get better. if he improves his blocking that guy is the next todd heap.

 

[Little Gipper]

I would go with Chris Martin. We need all the help we can get on D.

 

[rockne19]

Henderson.

 

[chyrspchuck]

Hendrson has that potential...to be a "Pace type player"!!!!

There is NO one one the Irish roster with potential...no one...Mantu, Jimmy C, Floyd...no one.

Henderson is the STUD...a must have.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Seriously, this comment doesn't even deserve a retort, just retarded. I implore you, explain that asinine comment. No one on the roster with potential huh......wow....just wow.

 

[fightinirish68]

i still wanna know who mantu is haha

 

[Clausen2Kamara]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Seriously, this comment doesn't even deserve a retort, just retarded. I implore you, explain that asinine comment. No one on the roster with potential huh......wow....just wow.

Yea I agree with you....IMO we have at least 5 potential first rounders on our team right now, even before our incoming recruits. Clausen, Floyd, Tate, Walls, and who knows who else will erupt...Many talented kids like Fleming, Filer, KLM, J Gray could all be drafted high...who knows. One thing I do know is that we have talent.

 

[Dacian_Irish]

Any 5 star OT, DE, and S.

 

[NDFan537]

Hendrson has that potential...to be a "Pace type player"!!!!

There is NO one one the Irish roster with potential...no one...Mantu, Jimmy C, Floyd...no one.

Henderson is the STUD...a must have.

While you are answering questions about this unbelievably stupid comment I have one for you. How on Gods green earth could you say a OT is a must, must, must have, and there is not any players on our roster with potential?

That may be the most ridiculous statement in the history of ridiculous statements! In my mind your speaking privileges have been revoked for a while.

 

[nd1988]

Hendrson has that potential...to be a "Pace type player"!!!!

There is NO one one the Irish roster with potential...no one...Mantu, Jimmy C, Floyd...no one.

Henderson is the STUD...a must have.

"special Ed"

 

[nd1988]

why are people so damn into these star rated players.... on paper it looks good but at the end its how they perform on the field...(i.e putting up W's).....i would like to bring in a 3star player who would prove everyone wrong......

Flyod is doing his job...but clausen...he sucks for being a 5 star QB.....If Hawaii said, "he's the best pro-type qb." Then I'm the next Lebron James..

 

[NDinL.A.]

why are people so damn into these star rated players.... on paper it looks good but at the end its how they perform on the field...(i.e putting up W's).....i would like to bring in a 3star player who would prove everyone wrong......

Flyod is doing his job...but clausen...he sucks for being a 5 star QB.....If Hawaii said, "he's the best pro-type qb." Then I'm the next Lebron James..

You must be a pretty damn good basketball player then.

Does Colt McCoy suck? Compare his numbers as a sophomore to Jimmy's and get back to me. QB is the toughest position in sports, and it takes time and experience to become a good QB. Mark Sanchez is about to be a 1st round draft pick, and his 2nd year in college he never even sniffed the field. His THIRD year in college he only played when Booty got hurt, and he threw a pick that might have cost his school a NC.

Meanwhile, JC had an up and down year, but showed the promise that made him a 5 star. He makes throws that few in college can make. He had ZERO running game to help him out, and a bad O-Line. Yet he still had games that had you thinking future Heisman. And he had his stinkers, which is what sophmore QB's with no running game and a bad line are wont to do.

Your best line is that Floyd is 'doing his job'. Yeah, that's just a bit of an understatement. He was a freshman that obliterated the ND record books, but to you, he simply 'did his job'.

As for your statement that you'd rather have a 3* than a 5*, well, you just obviously don't know the recruiting game at all. It's a matter of percentages, of numbers. No, not all 5 stars pan out. BUt you want to stack your team with as many 5 stars and 4 stars as possible. The numbers say that waaaaaay more 5 stars turn out to be all-americans than 3stars. Yes, there are 3 stars that turn out to be studs, and we all love those kids, but the numbers are not in their favor. If you're building a team around a bunch of 3 stars, then you're not going to have a job for very long. There's a reason FL, USC, Ohio State, and LSU are consistently good, and it's not because they go out looking for 3 stars...

 

[nd1988]

You must be a pretty damn good basketball player then.

Does Colt McCoy suck? Compare his numbers as a sophomore to Jimmy's and get back to me. QB is the toughest position in sports, and it takes time and experience to become a good QB. Mark Sanchez is about to be a 1st round draft pick, and his 2nd year in college he never even sniffed the field. His THIRD year in college he only played when Booty got hurt, and he threw a pick that might have cost his school a NC.

Meanwhile, JC had an up and down year, but showed the promise that made him a 5 star. He makes throws that few in college can make. He had ZERO running game to help him out, and a bad O-Line. Yet he still had games that had you thinking future Heisman. And he had his stinkers, which is what sophmore QB's with no running game and a bad line are wont to do.

Your best line is that Floyd is 'doing his job'. Yeah, that's just a bit of an understatement. He was a freshman that obliterated the ND record books, but to you, he simply 'did his job'.

As for your statement that you'd rather have a 3* than a 5*, well, you just obviously don't know the recruiting game at all. It's a matter of percentages, of numbers. No, not all 5 stars pan out. BUt you want to stack your team with as many 5 stars and 4 stars as possible. The numbers say that waaaaaay more 5 stars turn out to be all-americans than 3stars. Yes, there are 3 stars that turn out to be studs, and we all love those kids, but the numbers are not in their favor. If you're building a team around a bunch of 3 stars, then you're not going to have a job for very long. There's a reason FL, USC, Ohio State, and LSU are consistently good, and it's not because they go out looking for 3 stars...

I guess we'll have to see how the coaches from Arkansas, Ole Miss, Auburn, UCLA, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Penn State, and a few others pan out...

 

[WabashFalcon]

I guess we'll have to see how the coaches from Arkansas, Ole Miss, Auburn, UCLA, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Penn State, and a few others pan out...

Okay... and compare that to Southern Cal, Texas, Florida, Alabama, Florida State, and Phil Fulmer's Tennessee Vols....

 

[fightinirish68]

I guess we'll have to see how the coaches from Arkansas, Ole Miss, Auburn, UCLA, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Penn State, and a few others pan out...

ucla just had one of the best classes..

 

[NDFan537]

why are people so damn into these star rated players.... on paper it looks good but at the end its how they perform on the field...(i.e putting up W's).....i would like to bring in a 3star player who would prove everyone wrong......

Flyod is doing his job...but clausen...he sucks for being a 5 star QB.....If Hawaii said, "he's the best pro-type qb." Then I'm the next Lebron James..

Tell me, what makes Jimmy "suck"? What did he do this year to make you think he was not good enough to compete at this level? When did he not display the leadership we need at the QB position?

I challenge you to look at the season and go over the stats and you will see a different picture. He was running for his life most of the time because the O'line wasn't doing their job. He made a lot of bad decisions, no question about that, but he is 20 years old with the weight of a legendary program on his shoulders. For that you say he sucks. Real supportive, glad to have fans like you around to boo at the stadium, or throw snow balls at our players.

 

[nd1988]

Okay... and compare that to Southern Cal, Texas, Florida, Alabama, Florida State, and Phil Fulmer's Tennessee Vols....

Wabash, I looked at the 2009 recruiting cycle at saw a large amount of 3 star players. A lot of those 3 star players ended with the teams ranked in front of ND in the final recruitings ranking and polls. ND signed 5 3star players while, LSU and Alabama signed 9. Oaklahoma signed 11 and MSU 10. Those 4 teams would absolutely humiliate us.

While I agree that ND should go after the top talent, I also feel they should consider some of the 3star players...I mean look at Brian Kelly...Some of the posters here were calling for this guy because he can coach and recuit. Again..who does this guy recruit?

Anyways.....

Jeff Samardzija...John Carlson....Ndukwe...Travis Thomas...Mo Crum...Darius Walker...Bruton and more...Have all had great careers while at ND..All which were 3star recruits..

 

[nd1988]

Tell me, what makes Jimmy "suck"? What did he do this year to make you think he was not good enough to compete at this level? When did he not display the leadership we need at the QB position?

I challenge you to look at the season and go over the stats and you will see a different picture. He was running for his life most of the time because the O'line wasn't doing their job. He made a lot of bad decisions, no question about that, but he is 20 years old with the weight of a legendary program on his shoulders. For that you say he sucks. Real supportive, glad to have fans like you around to boo at the stadium, or throw snow balls at our players.

Com'on man...you're a Royals fan.... They're the kings of boos..

So are you saying that when our athletes from our beloved teams make mistakes and are so inconsistent that everyone starts blaming the head coach....You can't boo them....Hell yeah I've booed Clausen! For you to say thats not the right thing to do is pretty much pathetic and whoever says they never booed Clausen is an a-hole. Because its a lie....

I said that Clausen sucks for being rated as a 5star QB...If Clausen came in as a 3star instead of a 5star...Then I would have some sympathy for him "maybe".

ANother thing..I'm 28 years old..Lived in South Bend for 20 years and 8 years traveling the world.. I moved my family back to "beautiful" South Bend to be around the Golden Dome and extended family. I've been going to ND games since I was 8 and I've seen a lot of classless people but no more of what the students did during the Cuse game "thats an old thread btw and you should check into it"....

Back to the 2010 recruiting......

 

[NDinL.A.]

I said that Clausen sucks for being rated as a 5star QB...If Clausen came in as a 3star instead of a 5star...Then I would have some sympathy for him "maybe".

Again, do you think Colt McCoy sucks? How about Mark Sanchez? Stafford? Because if you think they are good QB's, then check out there #'s after their 2nd year in college. And if you still say Clausen sucks, and MCCoy sucks, and Sanchez sucks, and Stafford sucks, then you think everyone sucks and you just like to hear yourself talk and be negative. No one will ever be good enough for you, because even when they are STUDS, you say they are only 'doing their job', as you said with Floyd.

You're not looking at the whole picture. Running game? NO. Decent offensive line? NO. An arm that can make NFL throws? Yes. Break-out games? Hell yes. Unreal throws that few other QB's can make? Yes. Poor games? Yes. Inconsistency? Yes. Staring down receivers? Yes. Poise under pressure? Yes (NC game, almost brough them back for a miracle comeback that fell a couple yards short).

All that adds up to the sophomore years of some of the top QB's in college football, although JC's was better than many QB's, all things considered.

Make your negative points all you want, this team deserved it the last 2 years, but don't be ridiculous about it and ignore the numbers and the eyeball test just to make a point about 5 stars vs. 3 stars...

 

[GOLDENISTHYTATE]

In regards to Alabama and Oklahoma and such taking more 3-stars than ND and finishing ahead of them in the polls, those two schools (Bama especially), also take ridiculously huge classes of 30+ kids because half of those kids won't qualify immediately. Notre Dame has to take the best they can, athletically and academically, because they don't take athletes who can't read and write. Our numbers game is much different than other schools.

 

[Clausen2Kamara]

Again, do you think Colt McCoy sucks? How about Mark Sanchez? Stafford? Because if you think they are good QB's, then check out there #'s after their 2nd year in college. And if you still say Clausen sucks, and MCCoy sucks, and Sanchez sucks, and Stafford sucks, then you think everyone sucks and you just like to hear yourself talk and be negative. No one will ever be good enough for you, because even when they are STUDS, you say they are only 'doing their job', as you said with Floyd.

You're not looking at the whole picture. Running game? NO. Decent offensive line? NO. An arm that can make NFL throws? Yes. Break-out games? Hell yes. Unreal throws that few other QB's can make? Yes. Poor games? Yes. Inconsistency? Yes. Staring down receivers? Yes. Poise under pressure? Yes (NC game, almost brough them back for a miracle comeback that fell a couple yards short).

All that adds up to the sophomore years of some of the top QB's in college football, although JC's was better than many QB's, all things considered.

Make your negative points all you want, this team deserved it the last 2 years, but don't be ridiculous about it and ignore the numbers and the eyeball test just to make a point about 5 stars vs. 3 stars...

Great post. Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but it isn't all on Jimmy's shoulders my god. When he had time to throw he was great...even when we had a dissapearing running game. I just don't see the negativity. The kid tried to do too much and forced throws because he had to because he knew that was our only chance to win.

 

[Clausen2Kamara]

Tried to give you reps NDinLA but it wouldn't let me!!!

 

[NDinL.A.]

Tried to give you reps NDinLA but it wouldn't let me!!!

It's all good; just defending our QB (tears are streaming down my face right now, a la Terrell Owens. "That's my quarterback"...)

 

[NDFan537]

Com'on man...you're a Royals fan.... They're the kings of boos..

For you to say thats not the right thing to do is pretty much pathetic and whoever says they never booed Clausen is an a-hole. Because its a lie....

I said that Clausen sucks for being rated as a 5star QB...If Clausen came in as a 3star instead of a 5star...Then I would have some sympathy for him "maybe".

Royals Fan? Your gonna bring up that shit. Yes, I am a Royals fan, I have lived in KC all my life and prayed for them to get back to where they once were. They have been nothing short of a disappointment, but I have always stayed loyal, and always will. That is what a fan is. That being said they are PROFESSIONALS and more is expected when my ticket fare is paying them. Still not one time in my life have I booed any player, coach, or towel boy for that matter. Have I criticized them? Of course, you always expect more, and in their case probably deserve more.

I must be an asshole because I have never even thought about booing Clausen. I was in attendance at the 'Cuse game and I remember vividly standing in awe as the fans booed him on a roll out play where he threw a good pass to Kamara and he couldn't handle it. Do you remember that? Nope, cause you were too busy booing him for the sacks he took on the two plays prior to that.

Jimmy Clausen is not a good 3* player, he is a great 5* player. I want you to take your extensive football knowledge and find me as many QB you can that in their SO. season put up numbers as good or better than Clausen.

Just to refresh your memory here are Jimmy's 2008 numbers: 3172 passing yards, 60.9% completion per., 25 tds, 17 ints

Not bad in my mind, I will take that any day.............