Positive reasons for keeping Charlie

[ARALOU]

1) It gives a future new coach some relief in believing that he may get the proper time to rebuild a team. If Charlie dont work out it makes it clear he had plenty of time.

2) Obviously it gives CW's recruits another year to improve. Another year to mature. Plus another year to save CW's job if they need any more motivation. Another year to work hard and get better.

3) It takes away the off recruiting year you would have had if a new coach was sought.

4) Another year closer to the buyout.

5) Another year for Urban's kids to grow older. (If in fact, that is a valid reason he would consider coming to ND, personally I think it has nothing to do with him coming)

6) It gives the haters and many of the Irish fans something to bitch about in the off season.

7) Last but not least it gives a chance for redemption for CW.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

pat forde can suck my.....well you know what i mean

 

[KeepItCatholic]

we get to watch him like his snot for another year..thats appetizing..

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Ok, I am trying hard to add to this list.

-It will build and even STRONGER case to fire his ass next year.

-We won't have to win but 8 games with the new coach in 2010 to feel successful

-all of those sick people who like to rubberneck at car accidents and the like will have an entire SEASON to enjoy carnage from beginning to end

-maybe we'll have our own Greg Robinson-esqe 'moral victory' to end the season for the outgoing coach.

God, I swear I am trying to come up with some positives here, but Charlie is just so horrible...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

1) It gives a future new coach some relief in believing that he may get the proper time to rebuild a team. If Charlie dont work out it makes it clear he had plenty of time.

2) Obviously it gives CW's recruits another year to improve. Another year to mature. Plus another year to save CW's job if they need any more motivation. Another year to work hard and get better.

3) It takes away the off recruiting year you would have had if a new coach was sought.

4) Another year closer to the buyout.

5) Another year for Urban's kids to grow older. (If in fact, that is a valid reason he would consider coming to ND, personally I think it has nothing to do with him coming)

6) It gives the haters and many of the Irish fans something to bitch about in the off season.

7) Last but not least it gives a chance for redemption for CW.

Agree. I think ND HAD to keep him. I'll say it again - He won with limited talent his first two years. The cupboard was bare. He needs time to fix the problem. I don't like his offense because it is QB playing catch with 2 or 3 receivers and eff the rest, but they did score points this year. I think loss to Pitt absolutely drained them. Other unknown factors as well. Growing process that needs to happen. Eff public opinion. (I guess I am effing myself huh. Well, I usually do... )

 

[chyrspchuck]

why get on here and be negative......I think with the recruits this year, and the last 3 seasons or team will be a good team next year. I think OLine will be another year improved, the recievers with the edition of Shaq are going to be phenomenal. With Mike, Golden, Duval, Shaq recieving the ball, I just wonder why all the RB's would come......We are going to be good next year. Can you imagine the defense next year with the addition of 2 or 3 guys, that defense will be good.

 

[NDMontana]

I would like to request a favor, in advance, of the pro-CW crowd: IF next year does not turn out the way it should, please, please, please don't come up with any excuses. Don't say that he needs time. Don't say the team is young. Don't say a word. Just shut the fu*k up.

Keeping Charlie Weis isn't right or wrong in my opinion. While I think that he has not performed up to standards, he might, MIGHT, have the ability to right this ship. I think that the list of embarrassments in his time is considerable: losing to an 8 loss team for the first time in history, most losses in a two year span, losing to Navy and I could go on. The reality is that his two predecessors never knew these depths and they were dismissed.

People, even on this board, are going to pull out the race card. I'm hard pressed to believe that ND would have hired an African-American coach if they were racists.

Back to CW. I hope that the fire storm swirling around the program and, ultimately, his future role, will humble him. I hope that he has the foresight (or maybe it's hindsight at this point) to make the necessary staff changes. But most of all....I hope he succeeds. Not because I like him. Not because his success or failure would vindicate me; neither would because I've *tried*--outside some momentary rage after the 'Cuse loss--to stay neutral. But because the program is going to lose whatever credibility it still has, respect and it's place in the Pantheon of College Football if this continues.

If next year were a movie its title would be: Good Luck Chuck!

 

[Dacian_Irish]

I am pro-Weis and I have supported him probably more than I should have. I still think he has the chance at being the answer and lead this team back to the top.

Last year I believe we all made excuses for him and we all blamed the previous guy (not gonna mention his name because I'm sick of talking about it) for the nightmare of a season. This year on the other hand I thought we could easily go 8-4, I was sure of it. I think most of us felt the same, we probably would have been ok with 7-5. Maybe I was delusional! Either way I'm not happy about our record but I am optimistic and I see something special in the team!

I believe it is important for us to keep Weis for the following reasons:

1. Stability - We need to understand that he has done a good job recruiting and the talent is there. We need 4 complete recruiting classes to be able to compete with the big boys.

2. He is ND - He loves ND and he only wants the best. I know he hasn't been perfect but I know it will not be because of effort!

Now I know he will probably change things in the spring and possibly bring in some new assistants. I think the best thing for ND is for him to be the play caller. He is the offensive genius so why have any else call the plays, no brainer. If Haywood doesn't want to be the running backs coach then "peace out!" If we do let Latina I'm not sure if the next guy will be better, maybe.

I think we will be succesful next year and we do have a realistic shot at going 11-1.

Anything less than 9-3 would be a major dissapointment.

Go IRISH

 

[Junkhead]

I see something special in the team!


Go IRISH

I wish I could see that in the haze of 9 yards of offense! Anyway, good post for the most part.

 

[irish4ever]

I think we will be succesful next year and we do have a realistic shot at going 11-1.

Anything less than 9-3 would be a major dissapointment.

Go IRISH

After the past couple of poor years, surely by now ND fans should know better than to "throw out" W-L projections.

 

[Sureal]

After the past couple of poor years, surely by now ND fans should know better than to "throw out" W-L projections.

Nope.

10-2, if not he's gone.

 

[phork]

I say 11-1. 5th year on the job is enough to turn any program around, especially at ND.
Don't be fooled by the record either. Weis won with Davies seniors and some of Tys recruits. The 3-9 debacle was fueled by Tys empty cupboard. We will now have 4 years of recruits under Weis. Next year there are NO more excuses, 11-1 or higher is a must.
The first game will be a telling tale. Nevada rushes for 291 yards per game. If we "hold" them to 200, we are in deep trouble.

 

[texpanhandle.irish]

I just hope next season CW does not give other teams a chance to be in the game in the second half. I think he gives opposing defenses too much respect. If he would just dictate the pace of the game and quit trying to coach against the other teams strengths and weaknesses and just use his game plan he would do great. I think he is over analyzing and it just isn't working. You look at the great teams in the country and they come out and run their stuff and say hey this is what you have to stop. ND has the skill and with the new defensive schemes this year I was so excited about the season. The defense from this year and Weis's play calling from his first two seasons the Irish are sure to break into the top 25 next year.

 

[tko]

Agree. I think ND HAD to keep him. I'll say it again - He won with limited talent his first two years. The cupboard was bare. He needs time to fix the problem. I don't like his offense because it is QB playing catch with 2 or 3 receivers and eff the rest, but they did score points this year. I think loss to Pitt absolutely drained them. Other unknown factors as well. Growing process that needs to happen. Eff public opinion. (I guess I am effing myself huh. Well, I usually do... )

it's easier to do it yourself.

 

[NDOM]

Just wait until we play Nevada next year and they beat us!! Thats what's going to happen. Then Charlie Weis will be shit canned I hope.

 

[chyrspchuck]

Just wait until we play Nevada next year and they beat us!! Thats what's going to happen. Then Charlie Weis will be shit canned I hope.

way to stay positive on the positive charlie board.....

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

it's easier to do it yourself.

I know what I like.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I would like to request a favor, in advance, of the pro-CW crowd: IF next year does not turn out the way it should, please, please, please don't come up with any excuses. Don't say that he needs time. Don't say the team is young. Don't say a word. Just shut the fu*k up. ..

He needs time. Team is young. Oops, I misread your point...

Their will be no excuses after 2 years from now, but if ND stinks up it next year, i doubt he will get to prove it the following year.

 

[tko]

I know what I like.

you can introduce the stranger as well at your discretion

 

[IrishAddiction]

The biggest positive about Charlie returning, since it is now confirmed that he is, is the fact that the 09 class will be sticking together IMO. I know Zeke is coming in January...cant remember who else. Others are we get another year for Urban to become more bored at Flordia, Weis's buyout is smaller, and nobody can say charlie didnt have enough time to prove himself at ND....all positives.

 

[KeepItCatholic]

Surely is Urban is getting bored at Florida he could find other things to do, like go to the beach or go golfing along the coastal golf courses, not come here to try to clean up the mess we are watching charlie make, he gets one more year, hopefully these top recruiting classes become top performing classes, and lets get some wins!!

 

[leahy's lads]

way to stay positive on the positive charlie board.....

you know it is pretty hard to be positive about weis........ the guy just doesn't get it...... his way is not getting it done...... sylester croom can step down..... so did the guy from miami ohio...... but no..... not weis..... his ego wouldn't allow it........ he should realize that he needs to hand the reigns over to someone else...... why people don't see that is beyond me...... national embarrassment...... a meiocre team....... no respect from anyone in the football world....... shit yeah...... its hard to stay positive!!!!!

 

[Bubba]

We're always on the media about all the negative articles that come out. So, here in the positive thread, I thought I'd give a link to a positive one.......

FOX Sports on MSN - COLLEGE FOOTBALL - Guess what? Weis isn't that bad


Charlie may not take us back to the promised land, but this was the right move for the time being. If we're not in a BCS bowl next year then I'll change my tune.

 

[Catsudon]

this is the right thing to do.... i always believed that a coach should get five years, and it was wrong to fire TY back then. It's good that they're keeping him for another year to prove himself that he can win with his own recruits.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

this is the right thing to do.... i always believed that a coach should get five years, and it was wrong to fire TY back then. It's good that they're keeping him for another year to prove himself that he can win with his own recruits.

Interesting that you mention 5 years. Let me ask, why 5 years? Because that's what ND used to do? Its a completely arbitrary number, yet some of us cling to 5 years as though its the 11th commandment.

 

[Catsudon]

Interesting that you mention 5 years. Let me ask, why 5 years? Because that's what ND used to do? Its a completely arbitrary number, yet some of us cling to 5 years as though its the 11th commandment.

my reasoning is that i believe it would take that long to recruit and develop "his" players to see how they work out. Who knows, maybe Jimmy "chuck it and pray" Clausen will improve so much next year like B. Quinn did.

 

[leahy's lads]

I wish I could see that in the haze of 9 yards of offense! Anyway, good post for the most part.

the offensive production is putrid...... supposedly with top recruits and a coach that has 4 superbowl rings.

 

[leahy's lads]

i have been hearing all this "we'll be better next year" shit for 15 years.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

i have been hearing all this "we'll be better next year" shit for 15 years.

Then maybe I should have called you during the Ty years when I kept telling everyone that this guy (or admin) is killing ND football and it will only get worse. Ty is 0 - fer this year. Need more proof about Ty? (Geez, hate to badtype the guy, but...)

You have a lot of red dots, but you are saying everything that ND fans in the real world that I know are saying. I still say this is a separate case. I don't like CWs offense. Hate it. But he did win with it for 2 years. Don't blame the assts. They are coaching CW's O. I think (just a guess) that we saw Haywood's offense during the first quarter of the GT game last year, and then they panicked. Just my guess. Haywood was running the spread OPTION.

I believe Haywood is being scapegoated on this board by many, as is Powlus.

Who knows...