Why we should refuse a Bowl bid

[Sureal]

No way should they refuse a Bowl bid. Screw it. The team needs more practice and if that's what being in a bowl game can provide I'm all for it. Bump the other teams that feel like they deserve to be in a bowl besides ND. Nobody likes ND outside of the fans so why try to make friends now? ND puts butts in the seats and the bowl committee will run with that. Right now it's not about what they deserve or don't deserve. If they have an opportunity then use it.


Mission Number One: Get this program in order by any means necessary.
(without going outside the rules)

 

[scoutgod]

But seriously, you said you were done trolling here. I thought your vacation was over??? Can't get enough? Back to pour salt in our wounds? Makes me wonder...

TRUCE GODDAMIT!
I wasn't trolling to make static to begin with. Just had some extra time. I coach and teach high school football now (it is a movie week in class), season ended, end of year duties were done, filmwork and weight room begin in a few days, so i had a break and stuck my head into this world for a week. I do coach at clinics on both coasts, not saying it for any other reason but I am just saying my perspective is not in the stands.

I just wanted to pop back in to show that I wasn't gloating. I am not. I dont like seeing ND down. When My idol, Holtz was there, I rooted as hard for the Irish as I did for the Golden Gophers and Game Cocks.

BTW I don't think the student section was aiming at the sidelines... but the cameraman and that it got out of hand... not some revolt or whatever. I did hear the boos, but I don't think it was as bad as the news is playing it up.

Look, my only real viewpoint is this, ... not being obvious, or redundant, but after Holtz, I never saw an incredible difference between Davie, Ty and CW, definately not a 10 year $40,000,000 difference. The common winning percentage is more symbolic than significant to that point. I am not piling on that a USC loss would put CW below the other two, really. That sort of stat has some meaning, but it is more a mere symptom than anything.

I remember watching NBC announce the contract extension and said to myself, "That is a huge mistake, he really hasn't shown anything to prove he can outlast that." (I don't want to argue CW/TW I don't.... I don't care about Ty) I just thought to myself that moment was the beginning of the end of the program... and now, arguably, this is the low point of the program and the contract extension is a huge problem. And since that day, Oct what... 12th? 2005? I have run into ND super fans that defended it when I saw it for what it was, premature and excessive and an albatross around the neck of a program searching for a new "anointed one".

SO.... the only thing I ever thought since that day was, it is a shame that it has happened. I don't root against ND, I have personal feelings about JC, but I freaking love Tate. I just don't like blind fans (not saying you are one of them), Blind Buckeye fans that thought they had a chance against USC this year were a pain, Michigan fans that want to can RR are stupid as well. And in my humble opinion ND is looking to replace one of a kind legends and live a little too far in the past. Florida hurt for a bit, but did get past losing Spurrier and were better off for it, Oklahoma got past Switzer, Nebraska is still trying to shake Osbourne still. The ones that are successful are the ones that are willing to throw a certain amount of their past identity out the window when a crisis arises and try something new. (Sooners for example.. are NOTHING like old Sooners, there is no "Sooner style offense, it is just an awesome offense.)


Look, I like talking football when I get free time. Hope I can still do it here.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I was just kidding with you. Like I said, you had a good post. i can't disagree with this last post either, in fact, I always agreed that CW's contract ext was not justified at such an early juncture. Then we pull off that stinker of a performance Saturday, and I look like an even bigger idiot now after backing CDub for so damn long (although my lady will say I look like an idiot all the time!!!).

Like I've said in many other posts: This one F***ing hurt. Real bad.

Welcome aboard...

 

[scoutgod]

Welcome aboard...

Gracias. And I know that some USC fans are ridiculous too. The ones that really get me are the leftover LA Raiders fans that became UCLA fans. THAT is a bizarre phenomenon. I dont think Westwood wanted that flavor at the Rose Bowl.


Lived in San Diego until 2005....In Ohio now... freaking craving Carne Asada Burritos daily.

If the Sun Bowl happens, embrace it. Big deal about the prevailing opinion.

I do wish ND would find their way into a conference someday. That would help form a 21st century identity.


I think the pro style offense will be there for two more years, until JC leaves. Recruit the number one HS player and sell out to what he can do. Otherwise no more top tier recruits will consider. JC went to South Bend as a route to the NFL. CW and JC appear married to me, and both can breathe easy amid the storm. CW has guaranteed $$ and JC is putting up palatable numbers for the scouts/combine someday. The rest is... what it is.



on a side note it was fascinating watching the NFL yesterday. Brady Quinn does everything right, works hard, starts in college, carries a team, takes his lumps, slides in the draft to the Clowns and is in the middle of turmoil heading into a pro career that is looking anything but bright with the team that did choose him.

Pete Carroll OWNS all the recruits on the west coast so much that his backup QB with ounces of college experience gets drafted by the NFL's top organization and passes for 400 yards in consecutive games, his career looking ready for an enormous future payday.


That is a selling point to recruit with.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Gracias. And I know that some USC fans are ridiculous too. The ones that really get me are the leftover LA Raiders fans that became UCLA fans. THAT is a bizarre phenomenon. I dont think Westwood wanted that flavor at the Rose Bowl.


Lived in San Diego until 2005....In Ohio now... freaking craving Carne Asada Burritos daily.

If the Sun Bowl happens, embrace it. Big deal about the prevailing opinion.

I do wish ND would find their way into a conference someday. That would help form a 21st century identity.


I think the pro style offense will be there for two more years, until JC leaves. Recruit the number one HS player and sell out to what he can do. Otherwise no more top tier recruits will consider. JC went to South Bend as a route to the NFL. CW and JC appear married to me, and both can breathe easy amid the storm. CW has guaranteed $$ and JC is putting up palatable numbers for the scouts/combine someday. The rest is... what it is.



on a side note it was fascinating watching the NFL yesterday. Brady Quinn does everything right, works hard, starts in college, carries a team, takes his lumps, slides in the draft to the Clowns and is in the middle of turmoil heading into a pro career that is looking anything but bright with the team that did choose him.

Pete Carroll OWNS all the recruits on the west coast so much that his backup QB with ounces of college experience gets drafted by the NFL's top organization and passes for 400 yards in consecutive games, his career looking ready for an enormous future payday.


That is a selling point to recruit with.

Where in Ohio? I have a buddy who lives in Columbus who swears by this Mexican Restaurant called EL Vaquero. Might fill your craving

 

[NDinL.A.]

Where in Ohio? I have a buddy who lives in Columbus who swears by this Mexican Restaurant called EL Vaquero. Might fill your craving

Been to the midwest and the south (once). They have great food over there, don't get me wrong, but the Mexican I tried over there was pretty putrid. And that's probably because I basically work in latin America down here, so I get the BEST Mexican food around. I'm definitely spoiled. Yeah, nothing beats a good carne asada burrito chased down by a Pacifico...

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Been to the midwest and the south (once). They have great food over there, don't get me wrong, but the Mexican I tried over there was pretty putrid. And that's probably because I basically work in latin America down here, so I get the BEST Mexican food around. I'm definitely spoiled. Yeah, nothing beats a good carne asada burrito chased down by a Pacifico...

There is a place in the Northern VA/Washington DC area called Guapos which is great, so if it is average compared to what you have, then I have to get out there....

 

[WaveDomer]

Been to the midwest and the south (once). They have great food over there, don't get me wrong, but the Mexican I tried over there was pretty putrid. And that's probably because I basically work in latin America down here, so I get the BEST Mexican food around. I'm definitely spoiled. Yeah, nothing beats a good carne asada burrito chased down by a Pacifico...

Dude, Tito's Tacos in Culver City. Check that joint out. It's just a walk-up type place, like Pink's Hot Dogs, but it has pretty killer authentic stuff. Also, if you dig Italian, head up to the Valley and hit Giovanni Ristorante in Woodland Hills. I know the owner and it's a kick butt little place. He may even eat with you.

 

[scoutgod]

Where in Ohio? I have a buddy who lives in Columbus who swears by this Mexican Restaurant called EL Vaquero. Might fill your craving

There is an EL V's up by me. It is the best Mexican in Ohio, no doubt.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Dude, Tito's Tacos in Culver City. Check that joint out. It's just a walk-up type place, like Pink's Hot Dogs, but it has pretty killer authentic stuff. Also, if you dig Italian, head up to the Valley and hit Giovanni Ristorante in Woodland Hills. I know the owner and it's a kick butt little place. He may even eat with you.

Dude, Tito should just call me a half-owner by now! I love that place. I've lived in Culver City for the past year, my lady for the past 2 years. Unfortunately, we just bought a house all the way across town in Monterey Park, which means bye-bye to Tito's Tacos. It's all good though, I live closer to East L.A. now where the Mexican food esta buenisima! The valley is far from us, but i will def look up Giovanni's when I do go there...

 

[JeremyND07]

Texas Bowl against Rice...I will take that Bowl game right now! Break the streak of bowl losses and move on too next year!

 

[NDOM]

Texas Bowl against Rice...I will take that Bowl game right now! Break the streak of bowl losses and move on too next year!

Dude I'm not even sure that we could beat Rice! Thats where I'm at right now. Sad but true.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Notre Dame's independence comes into play here. If ND ends 6-6, .... all bowls have the following rule to live by:

a bowl can only select a 6-6 team from a conference if no 7-5 team from that league is still available.
Similarly, bowls seeking an "at-large" team to replace a conference that did not produce enough eligible teams cannot choose a 6-6 team if there is a 7-5 team available.

Aside from some vague Big East tie in, ND can receive a 6-6 bid only if all other D-I schools 7-5 or better are not available.

Not saying nothing will happen, but it have to after all other suitors are considered and rejected and that might be hard

that's what she said.

Fun post. LOL. Thank you my friend. But other things still come into play, despite the rules.

And she didn't say it "might" be hard. She just gasped and sang like Enya.

For authentic Mexican food, try the sopes at Sra Galindos in the alley on Avenida Padres in Guadalajara.

Maybe the menudo at Zona Rosa in Distrito Federal. (They call it "De Effe")

Heck, I might buy me some tickets to El Paso. Wanna really try some good Mexican food? Town is called Mexican food capital of the world.

But I would rather go home to momma for the holidays. And get some home cooking. I don't need no stinking ribbon.

I still don't believe a championship coach would declare that he took a random week "off" to join a forum.

But hey, enjoy the tripitas, carnitas, and chilaquiles con huevos estrellados encima. Wash it all down with some horchata.

Then quit pretending.

 

[aaronb]

Please don't drink before you post anymore!

Are you kidding me? This is a ridiculous discussion! Ok so the season didn't go that well... So what should we do? hide, bash the players, and fire the coaches! That is all I've been reading here..... and now some of you want to not go to a bowl game because your afraid of losing........Give me a break! This is such a no-brainer:

1. Extra practice... we need it!
2. Another game..... It would help our younger players!
3. How about getting that damn monkey off our back! Any bowl win at this point would be a success or do you wanna here more about how we have not won a bowl game in how many years....come on people wake up!..... At least we get a chance to shut people up!

THANK YOU!!!!

I am so sick of this Chicken little routine that I have been reading everywhere since the BC Game. I do think the Administration owes it to the team to choose a bowl we can be competative in. Even if it's a December Bowl, we need to go and compete. It will give the staff some evaluation time. It will give the team a chance to break the Bowl streak. It will give us a chance to end the season on a winning note.

 

[ojo_223]

No way do we decline a bowl invite. After last year, no way. This loss sucked, but overall this season is better than last. (Marginally)

 

[irish4ever]

I don't want them to go because they don't deserve it...

Exactly!!! Getting to go to bowl game at 6-6, whether it's ND or any other college team, is bullshit! It has NOTHING to do whether they have a chance to win the bowl game or not ..... IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T DESERVE IT!!!!

 

[BestBIrish47]

Not going to a bowl protects you the fan, but can only be good for the program. I won't list the reasons that are obvious to the benefits of going to a bowl...but refusing based on not beeing embarrassed as a fan..that is not important.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

Not going to a bowl protects you the fan, but can only be good for the program. I won't list the reasons that are obvious to the benefits of going to a bowl...but refusing based on not beeing embarrassed as a fan..that is not important.

i agree in full. how did so many people lose their pride? sure our pride is damaged, but you should still have pride nonetheless. where did this idea come from that 6-6 teams shouldnt play in bowl games. true, they shouldnt play in BCS games but the other bowls exist for the very purpose of letting teams at or above .500 play in a bowl. thats the rule and therefore we deserve to play in a bowl game. nobody is forced to attend or watch. how did this thing become so personal that a thread like this is necessary?

 

[scoutgod]

but the other bowls exist for the very purpose of letting teams at or above .500 play in a bowl.

The other bowls exist to boost hotel occupancy rates and promote business for the local chambers of commerce. Whatever will draw $$. Some of these bowls might as well be car shows or rodeos.

ESPN - Is the economy affecting college football bowl expansion?

not disagreeing, take any bowl bid and play hard.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Texas Bowl against Rice...I will take that Bowl game right now! Break the streak of bowl losses and move on too next year!

Hell yeah, that'll get ND some respect in the college football world! All we need is one bowl win, no matter how minor, to turn things around!

Instead of, "haven't won a bowl game in x number of years", it'll be "have won only 1 bowl game in the last x years....and that was against Rice."

There's no shame in not going to a bowl when your teams isn't very good.

 

[ARALOU]

I was about to rip you, but then your last line slayed me. I admit I'm a sucker for that's what she said jokes (my lady HATES them, but the Michael Scott in me forces me to say it!!!).

Good post. There's so many damn bowls out there, I'm sure some bowl committee will find a way to get ND in. I mean, who would bering in more $$$, ND or firggin Southwest Houston St?

But seriously, you said you were done trolling here. I thought your vacation was over??? Can't get enough? Back to pour salt in our wounds? Makes me wonder...

Aw hell, let him stay. We already got to know him now. Besides, we let midwestguy stay. I like to have plenty of folks to argue with. Even me and NDMontana have been repping each other after we told one another to go reproduce ourselves. Its all good in here. I get a kick out of this place.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Aw hell, let him stay. We already got to know him now. Besides, we let midwestguy stay. I like to have plenty of folks to argue with. Even me and NDMontana have been repping each other after we told one another to go reproduce ourselves. Its all good in here. I get a kick out of this place.

LOL

It's black and it's white
We fight, we break up
We kiss, we make up
(you) You don't really want to stay, no
(but you) But you don't really want to go-o
You're hot then you're cold
You're yes then you're no
You're in then you're out
You're up then you're down ...

"You're in then you're out, You're up then you're down ..." is what she said.

 

[scoutgod]

LOL
is what she said.[/COLOR]

Bears, Beets, Battlestar Gallactica.


One of the underrated weapons for USC is Stanley Havili.. #31. That guy is a BITCH of a FB and when he slips out for a wheel route he is as fat as most TB's.


If things are close for a quarter and a half, ....things might stay close..... my beer typed that really..

but watching what Oklahoma did to Texas Tech.... all I thought was, "USC is thinking, we need style points too"... and it's back to running it up, pre-BCS style"

Do not ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee,

 

[ARALOU]

Ok dont push it now. I stuck up for ya but, but, ah nevermind. Get him Neut!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Bears, Beets, Battlestar Gallactica...
Do not ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee,

Potentially a spooky reference. Too big a quote for a coach that has so much time to take a week off during playoff season. We all know that championship coaches take a week off during playoff time.

But I know where you live.

 

[scoutgod]

But I know where you live.

Bowling Green, Ohio? Am I right?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Bowling Green, Ohio? Am I right?

Zona Rosa in Mexico. Get your hands off of her. She is 16.

 

[scoutgod]

Zona Rosa in Mexico. Get your hands off of her. She is 16.

ella esta dieciseis.


god that doesn't sound so bad. I remember Ensenada in 1986.... but thats another ....
USD Volleyball team... dammit.

Stanley # 31... cover that guy

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

ella esta dieciseis.



Stanley # 31... cover that guy

I think you meant to say "Tiene dieciseis años" . Don't worry lil puppy. Your nostril is safe right now...
But you sound like a PR guy for some USuck guy. If he is that good, then get him into ND. Otherwise, his kneecaps are in danger.

And so is your left nostril - eastside next to hangin booger.

P.S.
If my intelligence agents are correct, your real name is John Sinalotgarciaduvichtidelikingppcacca. And you live at 324 Google, Shimaloog, Small Island.

We watching you closely. Gotta protect my $500 dollar investment in puppy nostrils. I take that shit seriously.

(PM me about the volleyball... )

 

[scoutgod]

I think you meant to say "Tiene dieciseis años" . Don't worry lil puppy. Your nostril is safe right now...
But you sound like a PR guy for some USuck guy. If he is that good, then get him into ND. Otherwise, his kneecaps are in danger.

And so is your left nostril - eastside next to hangin booger.

P.S.
If my intelligence agents are correct, your real name is John Sinalotgarciaduvichtidelikingppcacca. And you live at 324 Google, Shimaloog, Small Island.

We watching you closely. Gotta protect my $500 dollar investment in puppy nostrils. I take that shit seriously.

(PM me about the volleyball... )

Si Tiene .... tiene....
me gusta prescription cough medicing con cinco cerzecas.