Adverse Times Bring out the blame game

[KamaraPolice]

LMI: "Firing him BEFORE someone is in the bag is a HUGE mistake."

And how would bringing him back for another year of awfulness not be an even worse one? Who in the world would want to take the job at that point?

Sometimes you've just got to tear off that bandaid and let things heal, pain and torn-off arm hair be damned.

First - John it's been so long, how have you been? I have to agree with you completely here.

Secondly - Head coach of Notre Dame is a national job. Who would want this job? How about who wouldn't want this job? I can't imagine someone would be so weak as to pass up an opportunity at Notre Dame because it's too tough. What coach followed Rockne? Leahy? Parseghian? Holtz? (Dave someone, I forget). You dont come to Notre Dame when they're at the top. You come to Notre Dame to take them from the bottom back up to the top. This is the environment that cultivates legends. If you want to be a college football immortal, then you want this job. If you want a paycheck and security, see you at Iowa.

 

[KamaraPolice]

And let's not forget, K-State cut their coach after just over 2 years and an upset over Texas.

He was 17-20 at K-State. They have one period in their entire history that wasn't filled with complete ineptitude and they pulled the string after just over 2 years.

What job doesn't require performance?

 

[mooneytostle]

After being a Weis apologist for so long it is difficult to face the reality that he is not going to get it done. We all wanted him to, mostly b/c he is an alum and supposedly "gets Notre Dame." It is clear he, at this time, is not qualified to lead ND back to prominence.

If a coaching change is to be made, is there an acceptable replacement who would be willing to take the job? I really don't think so. We'll see what Swarbrick is made of now. I personally don't have much faith.

 

[Catsudon]

LMI: "Firing him BEFORE someone is in the bag is a HUGE mistake."

And how would bringing him back for another year of awfulness not be an even worse one? Who in the world would want to take the job at that point?

Sometimes you've just got to tear off that bandaid and let things heal, pain and torn-off arm hair be damned.

band-aid? with the amount of money we may loose due to the extended contract, this thing is a tourniquet. we need major surgery.

 

[phork]

Brady Hoke, good young up and coming coach. Sign him, now.

 

[smerky]

Yes, something looked odd indeed. Can't type maybe? Poseur? Not the post I would have expected from an ND graduate.

I just watched Syrcause score with .42 seconds. We will win some and lose some. That i can execept, but the elders who earned the great reputation, Brown, Powlus, lattner, Lujack, and Montana. The list could go on and on. I am thinking what must these legends thing. It really hurts when you play navy who is out weighed on the line by 50lb. They have hearts that are resiliant, the word quit isn't in their vocabulary. The Toughest oppents I played in 4years was the acadamies. Most players at ND had tears in their eyes out of respect. We need those players.
Kevin Kopka#20

And listing Powlus as a "Legend" ??? HUH????

 

[NDinL.A.]

Secondly - Head coach of Notre Dame is a national job. Who would want this job? How about who wouldn't want this job? I can't imagine someone would be so weak as to pass up an opportunity at Notre Dame because it's too tough. .

Gruden, Meyer ('his dream job'), and everybody else who turned down this job last time. There's a reason we got Weis the first time, remember?

You're living in the past if you think this is still THE top job in the nation. Yeah, we all love ND and know it's a great place, but as a coach, I can think of a lot of reasons NOT to come here. And I mean a top flight coach, not up-and-comers. It's a pipe dream to get those guys...

 

[NDinL.A.]

We'll have a list a mile long, now that the cupboard is full again. I think everyone knew that the tank was empty when Ty got canned and wanted to avoid a long rebuild. The players are now here with another, hopefully, top10 class this year.

Even for you this is bad Phork. Knee-jerk reaction post maybe? Please, a list a mile long of CW clones. I know that's not what you want.

If CW ain't the guy (which is becoming painfully more obvious by the damn minute), then we need a coach with a proven track record, and there ain't no list a mile long of those guys coming.

(Syracuse???? Really??? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!)

 

[NDinL.A.]

I feel dirty for saying it, but I have totally lost confidence in Weis, and whatever brings about a change faster is good.

I don't feel that way at all, but I get what you're saying. I felt the same way when Lavin was coaching UCLA. I was secretly praying for them to get pasted so we could get rid of the guy. You're not the only one feeling that way...

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

Here's an interesting tidbit from Charlie Weis.

Reporter: Do you (CW) think there is enough talent to turn it around, not just this year, but next year?

CW: "I never pass on tough questions, I think it's really important for me not to be making big picture analyses after a tough loss."

"I think big picture analysis questions are things you better sit back and reflect on rather than just come up and give an answer off the spur of the moment. I don't do things that way."

That sounds like passing on a tough question to me. Actually, the question isn't that tough at all. If he doesn't know enough or have enough confidence in what are going to be his recruits (blaming Ty ends in two games) to say if he thinks that they can turn it around next year then you have to wonder what, if anything, does he know? He's been around these guys for two years, he's seen them in practice, games, spring ball, etc. That isn't big picture analysis....that's everyday "hey it's you friggin job" analysis.

When asked if he is starting to doubt his coaching abilities he said "No, not at all". Hmm....how many people can break records for futility at an institution--whether it's sports, a bank, whatever--and not question their ability at all? Better yet, where are his bosses at because they should have a slew of questions about his abilities. I sure as hell do.

I'm not saying fire weis at least until you KNOW you have a qualified replacement,but weis seems to have this bull head about "not doing things that way" (yeah, i've been in serious denial for a long time now) and I think that is a lot oh his problem.
I don't have anything against the guy and I think he's pushed himself in a corner and until he gets wipped still can't take that extra to humble himself.
Of course I wouldn't have answered the question myself,but don't think I would have thrown that "I don't do things that way"

I want the guy to succeed next year and put these last 2 years behind him and continue to move forward,but in the meantime...this GUY has managed to embarrassed this program way BEYOND ANYTHING WILLINGHAM. DAVIE, or even FAUST HAD DONE.
I mean this is bad and I am mad and notre dame football may never be the same again.

 

[Irishkid23]

We'll see what Swarbrick is made of now. I personally don't have much faith.[/QUOTE] Mooneytostle.

Mooneytostle, he's probably another "yes" man.

 

[NDMontana]

I'm not saying fire weis at least until you KNOW you have a qualified replacement,but weis seems to have this bull head about "not doing things that way" (yeah, i've been in serious denial for a long time now) and I think that is a lot oh his problem.
I don't have anything against the guy and I think he's pushed himself in a corner and until he gets wipped still can't take that extra to humble himself.
Of course I wouldn't have answered the question myself,but don't think I would have thrown that "I don't do things that way"

I want the guy to succeed next year and put these last 2 years behind him and continue to move forward,but in the meantime...this GUY has managed to embarrassed this program way BEYOND ANYTHING WILLINGHAM. DAVIE, or even FAUST HAD DONE.
I mean this is bad and I am mad and notre dame football may never be the same again.

I don't have anything personal against CW either. My problem is that he has shown a great amount of rigidity and does not *seem* willing to change. It's the insistence on running that I can't stand. I understand the need to run the ball to open up the passing game.....but we can't run. That's it in plain old English, the harsh reality, the uncomfortable truth, the 800 lb. gorilla in the room.

I want Charlie to fire Latina today. Our offensive line has been the shits for three years. If CW decides to anchor himself to Latina, than he's chosen to go down in flames for one shitty (and I mean shitty) assistant coach.

 

[NDFLA]

I don't have anything personal against CW either. My problem is that he has shown a great amount of rigidity and does not *seem* willing to change. It's the insistence on running that I can't stand. I understand the need to run the ball to open up the passing game.....but we can't run. That's it in plain old English, the harsh reality, the uncomfortable truth, the 800 lb. gorilla in the room. I want Charlie to fire Latina today. Our offensive line has been the shits for three years. If CW decides to anchor himself to Latina, than he's chosen to go down in flames for one shitty (and I mean shitty) assistant coach.

Did you call Weis an 800 LB gorilla? I woke up this morning to a delivery of oranges from my next door neighbor ( and ex-friend ) so I am just as pissed off as I was last night. I will wait until later to chime in on the whole fire Weis subject. This is a sad day in ND football.

 

[NDMontana]

Did you call Weis an 800 LB gorilla? I woke up this morning to a delivery of oranges from my next door neighbor ( and ex-friend ) so I am just as pissed off as I was last night. I will wait until later to chime in on the whole fire Weis subject. This is a sad day in ND football.

Sad indeed. I'm not just sad for ND Football; I'm sad for CW, too. You've got to be heartless to root for someone to fail. I wanted this to work out for him but it just hasn't. He needs to seriously consider firing Latina soley to see if he there is someone out there who can bring out the best in what I like to refer to as the nO-line.

 

[NDinL.A.]

NDFLA and NDMontana:

This one hurts so FUCKING much! It's beyond embarrassing. 2009 can't get here fast enough. I don't even want to watch sportscenter or listen to talk radio because of this. This is worse than the Navy loss last year for me because at least I knew we sucked and we were playing young kids last year. There's no excuse for this.

And you have no idea what I am going to face down from the USC fans I work with tomorrow morning. I'm a teacher (I'm mentoring a teacher this quarter-it's great cause she teaches and I critique-lots of Internet time!), and my room is decked out in ND stuff, and I work across the f***ing street from USC, so believe me, this week is going to be rough.

And Saturday??? Ohhhhhhh shit; shoot me now.

 

[NDFLA]

NDFLA and NDMontana:

This one hurts so FUCKING much! It's beyond embarrassing. 2009 can't get here fast enough. I don't even want to watch sportscenter or listen to talk radio because of this. This is worse than the Navy loss last year for me because at least I knew we sucked and we were playing young kids last year. There's no excuse for this.

And you have no idea what I am going to face down from the USC fans I work with tomorrow morning. I'm a teacher (I'm mentoring a teacher this quarter-it's great cause they teach and I critique-lots of Internet time!), and my room is decked out in ND stuff, and I work across the f***ing street from USC, so believe me, this week is going to be rough.

And Saturday??? Ohhhhhhh shit; shoot me now.

NDinLA, I feel for you man. These next couple of weeks will suck royally for you, probably till next year. I always thought that it sucked being and ND fan in FL, but all of you SC guys trump my headaches tenfold. May the force be with you. At least we have basketball.

Go Irish!

 

[NDMontana]

NDFLA and NDMontana:

This one hurts so FUCKING much! It's beyond embarrassing. 2009 can't get here fast enough. I don't even want to watch sportscenter or listen to talk radio because of this. This is worse than the Navy loss last year for me because at least I knew we sucked and we were playing young kids last year. There's no excuse for this.

And you have no idea what I am going to face down from the USC fans I work with tomorrow morning. I'm a teacher (I'm mentoring a teacher this quarter-it's great cause she teaches and I critique-lots of Internet time!), and my room is decked out in ND stuff, and I work across the f***ing street from USC, so believe me, this week is going to be rough.

And Saturday??? Ohhhhhhh shit; shoot me now.

That does suck. It would very hard to work in such close proximity to USC during football season. Yesterday was a tough loss; it's hard to find a silver lining.

I think CW gets one more year. He needs to make the most of that opportunity. I would start by firing Latina--he is not getting nearly the enmity directed at him that he should.

 

[KamaraPolice]

Gruden, Meyer ('his dream job'), and everybody else who turned down this job last time. There's a reason we got Weis the first time, remember?

You're living in the past if you think this is still THE top job in the nation. Yeah, we all love ND and know it's a great place, but as a coach, I can think of a lot of reasons NOT to come here. And I mean a top flight coach, not up-and-comers. It's a pipe dream to get those guys...

You've twisted what I said. I said a national job, not "THE top in the nation." Is every Notre Dame football game broadcasted to the entire country? Yes. I Believe you have either mistaken what I've said or you are wrong here. I understand the frustration right now but it doesn't change what Notre Dame actually is.

Also, I think you should research the reasons why Urban Meyer took the Florida job at the time he did. Besides family reasons, apparently he felt he didn't have the name recognition to recruit nationally at Notre Dame (he was coming from a mid-major and Ty couldn't recruit at all).

Gruden has refused every college opportunity. He's an NFL coach and is staying in the NFL.

Meyer is the only name that is credible and it's obvious what we all think of Meyer. So who is everyone else?

 

[KamaraPolice]

NDFLA and NDMontana:

This one hurts so FUCKING much! It's beyond embarrassing. 2009 can't get here fast enough. I don't even want to watch sportscenter or listen to talk radio because of this. This is worse than the Navy loss last year for me because at least I knew we sucked and we were playing young kids last year. There's no excuse for this.

And you have no idea what I am going to face down from the USC fans I work with tomorrow morning. I'm a teacher (I'm mentoring a teacher this quarter-it's great cause she teaches and I critique-lots of Internet time!), and my room is decked out in ND stuff, and I work across the f***ing street from USC, so believe me, this week is going to be rough.

And Saturday??? Ohhhhhhh shit; shoot me now.

Tell me what you've seen from this team this season to indicate 2009 will bring anything better?

You don't lose to a team that's 2-8 unless you're terrible yourself. Only difference between this year and last year is the schedule is so weak.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Tell me what you've seen from this team this season to indicate 2009 will bring anything better?

You don't lose to a team that's 2-8 unless you're terrible yourself. Only difference between this year and last year is the schedule is so weak.

Ummmm, it's simple. I want to forget this damn year, in particular this damn game. Tell me, what do you want? Oh that's right, you're living in the past. Perhaps I should have said "1988 can't get here fast enough". Better?

But since you asked, I'm a ND fan, and I see some positives. I'm gonna try to look forward to next year, 'cause that's what fans do. I'm not an idiot; I know we have major issues. But I still look forward to:

1. Michael Floyd - STUD. Beyond stud. Top 5 receiver in the nation next year.

2. Tate: Golden baby. We have our playmaker.

3. B. Smith back healthy. Junior year. Stronger, faster. Monster.

4. JC - Junior year, more improvement, cannon arm still there, 300 yard games very possible (oh, and one of THE best receiving corps in the nation).

5. Hayseed - Lightning quick and improving, and only a soph next year football wise.

6. Ethan Johnson - will get bigger and stronger, and got a whole lot of time as a freshmen.

7. Cierre Wood baby!

I could go on and on. I could also go on and on on why next year will suck, but I prefer to look on the bright side. Like I said, I'm not an idiot, but at least next year I will look on the team before the Nevada game and have hope. "And without hope, life is meaningless. Without hope, life is meaning less and less."

You look at it your way, I'll look at it mine.

 

[NDFan78]

I think that realistically the only way ND fires Weis this year is if two things happen. 1. Recruits start to de-commit and ND can get a verbal commit from a coach they want BEFORE firing Weis.

 

[phork]

1. Michael Floyd - STUD. Beyond stud. Top 5 receiver in the nation next year.

2. Tate: Golden baby. We have our playmaker.

3. B. Smith back healthy. Junior year. Stronger, faster. Monster.

4. JC - Junior year, more improvement, cannon arm still there, 300 yard games very possible (oh, and one of THE best receiving corps in the nation).

5. Hayseed - Lightning quick and improving, and only a soph next year football wise.

6. Ethan Johnson - will get bigger and stronger, and got a whole lot of time as a freshmen.

7. Cierre Wood baby!

You look at it your way, I'll look at it mine.

Talent, wasted. Thats what I see.

 

[kmoose]

Talent, wasted. Thats what I see.

Be more specific, phork. Which players are talent wasted, in your opinion? And define "wasted talent", please?

Golden Tate, who could only run a fly pattern last year, has turned into a legitimate receiver who has caught 50 balls for 888 yards and 7 touchdowns (plus he had one rushing TD, bringing his total to 8), as a sophomore. If we weren't playing USC next, I would say that he has a good shot at being a 1,000 yard receiver. Is that a waste?

Michael Floyd is a true freshman who has caught 46 balls for 702 yards and 7 touchdowns. He could very well end up with 1,000 yards and double digit touchdowns as a sophomore. Is that a waste?

Clausen has completed 60% (59.9) of his passes for 2730 yards and 20 touchdowns. He throws a lot of picks, but that is somewhat normal for a young QB. Is that a waste?

 

[ARALOU]

The o-line is a huge problem. JC is rolling out throwing on the run or throwing off his back foot leaning away from the line of scrimmage. He is feeling pressure even if its not there. That is a lack of confidence in the line. He has no confidence in them, it shows. If he had time or the quick hit plays it would be different. The o-line is the weak link when it comes to execution. Plus they lack heart or emotion. All that may go hand in hand.

 

[phork]

Talent wasted meaning they all can be much better.

 

[2-4]

ok yeah i think Brandon Walker sucks, hes ok for a kicker, just not for a team like Notre Dame but i do give him a lot of props for yesterday...that was two great attempts on them missed FG's....to win the game and he barely missed a 50+yd...no future in football but appreciated what he tried to do yesterday

 

[kmoose]

Talent wasted meaning they all can be much better.

Try to think of it this way, phork:

Maybe this is a *you* problem, not a Weis problem. Maybe *you* bought into the hype surrounding these guys a little too much, and have unrealistic expectations of them? I'm not saying that is the case. I'm just pointing out that the aforementioned guys have been producing. Maybe not to your expectations, but that doesn't change the fact that they HAVE been producing. And it is not necessarily a sign of poor coaching. I'll give you that there are indications of poor coaching in relation to this team. But Tate, Floyd, and Clausen underperforming are not on my list.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Talent wasted meaning they all can be much better.

Agree totally. Tate, what a loser! He should be doing much better! Talent wasted! And Floyd? Freshman records? Who cares?!? He should be doing much better!!! MCCarthy, near the lead in tackles in the nation all year, should be doing much better! I mean, he's what 6'3", 235 right? He has all the talent in the world, but TALENT WASTED! Bruton sucks too! Talent wasted! And Anello??? What the hell is he doing out there? He should be blocking 2 kicks a game, making 10 tackles a game on special teams, and kicking 3 field goals a game! What's that you say? He's a walk-on? I don't care, he can do MUCH better! So much talent on that kid, and he's wasting it!!!

Look Phork, there's a lot of underachieving going on, but there are players putting it down every damn Saturday. To make a sweeping statement like that is a joke...

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Yeah, for being an ND grad....your typing and grammar match that of a bama reject.
As far as being able to criticize.....any true fan who has invested money, time, and emotion over a number of years has that right. Otherwise, why be a fan?

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Alabama lost to UL-Monroe.

Players make their biggest improvements between their So. and Jr. years.

2009 = 2+0+0+9= 11 wins.

If I eat the leprechaun, perhaps I'll shit rainbow sherbet.

Optimism abound for this lemon-lime kool-aid afficianado!