What Bowl Will ND End Up In? Scenarios Inside.

[NeuteredDoomer]

Win out or go home might be one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this board.

I guess you think those extra practices wouldnt help all of our young players? Nor would possibly ending the sting of our bowl game losing streak?

Yea win out or go home, real smart

Might be the dumbest response I have ever read on this board. Others seemed to "get it." You didn't. You just fell out of BCS consideration.

I really could not care less about the bowl losing streak. I posted before that I think ND shows up to lower tiered bowls ready to have fun after exams, and since the NC is not a possibility, then fuck it. Live it up. Just my imagination.

ALL OR NOTHING you Padomerdummy.

(P.S.) Really like your posts. You da man

 

[FrankMA]

I think you guys are giving this VERY young team too much credit. Losing big at USC and then big in a bowl game will not be good to the future of ND. I am not too worried about it because 8-4 and a bowl win looks like the end result this season! I would love to go 10-2 and a bowl win but I am a realist and do not like koolaid!

I am with you. Going 8-4 and a win in the Gator bowl would do wonders for the confidence of this young team. It would also give a big boost for recruiting heading into next year.

 

[ARALOU]

I always make the comment that we dodge noone and everyone we play brings their "A" game. I think it still rings true even though this years schedule is the weakest I can recall in a long time. Still, times are different now. Nobody is "stacked" anymore. Some may get hot for awhile and look invincible, but I really think any team ranked in the top 25 or 30 is capable of beating anyone. Some just match up better. Is 52 to 38 a blow out? What about 14 to zip? I hope we get the best bowl and face the best team but, first of all, I would just like to win. We may may match up well with an SEC team. Can we stay in the field with Florida? What about Ole Miss? (see what I mean?)
You never know who will come ready to play. It is a game of emotion. Talent dont hurt but we got plenty of talent, we need confidence and more attitude. PERIOD!

 

[ACamp1900]

I personally would want the sun bowl... I have been there my in laws live there and could easily get tickets...

other than that I want the gator bowl...

I still laugh at those who want a BCS bowl... absolute insanity... how does getting crushed help ND... and sorry boys if you think that won't happen in three of the four BCS bowls you have some serious blinders on...

we must win a bowl game before ANYONE outside or core case takes us serious, give me the Sun Bowl, it's our best bet and beating Oregon or Cal would even be a challenge

 

[SteveM]

To Be The Best...!

To Be The Best...!

I personally would want the sun bowl... I have been there my in laws live there and could easily get tickets...

other than that I want the gator bowl...

I still laugh at those who want a BCS bowl... absolute insanity... how does getting crushed help ND... and sorry boys if you think that won't happen in three of the four BCS bowls you have some serious blinders on...

we must win a bowl game before ANYONE outside or core case takes us serious, give me the Sun Bowl, it's our best bet and beating Oregon or Cal would even be a challenge

ACamp,

The proposition by me and others in previous posts is that kismet will wire ND into the "best" bowl game offered. I.e., against the most competitive challenger with the biggest payout. "When there are no alternatives, there is no problem."

There is no way the competition gods can be traduced. And listen. It's Charlie's 4th year at ND. If Notre Dame!? has to use sly evasion tactics to dance around tough competition, maybe it's time to start looking at alternatives who can get it done (make ND big time competitive) in 4.

SteveM

P.S. I'm betting on Charlie believe it or not. I wouldn't want to have it any other way. And neither would he. I'd love to see ND take on a good, tough opponent and put it to 'em. And win or lose, match up and play with pride. We can talk about the consequences of alternative outcomes after that game.

P.P.S. the day ND starts thinking like you guys are talking is the day they should take down that sign the players tap every time they walk out onto that field.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

ACamp,

The proposition by me and others in previous posts is that kismet will wire ND into the "best" bowl game offered. I.e., against the most competitive challenger with the biggest payout. "When there are no alternatives, there is no problem."

There is no way the competition gods can be traduced. And listen. It's Charlie's 4th year at ND. If Notre Dame!? has to use sly evasion tactics to dance around tough competition, maybe it's time to start looking at alternatives who can get it done (make ND big time competitive) in 4.

SteveM

P.S. I'm betting on Charlie believe it or not. I wouldn't want to have it any other way. And neither would he. I'd love to see ND take on a good, tough opponent and put it to 'em. And win or lose, match up and play with pride. We can talk about the consequences of alternative outcomes after that game.

P.P.S. the day ND starts thinking like you guys are talking is the day they should take down that sign the players tap every time they walk out onto that field.

Well said! As usual, SteveM, your eloquence is astounding.

I cannot understand the logic of wanting a lesser bowl against lesser competition just to get a bowl victory and snap the string. I don't believe you can really say losing by a huge margin in a tougher bowl is a forgone conclusion and I don't believe winning a lower tier bowl can be guaranteed either. I would much rather take the chance of getting blown out in a major bowl than run the risk of losing to Podunk State in the Liberty Bowl or Mieneke Car Care Bowl.

ACamp -

Who doesn't take ND seriously? For just about every team we play every season, beating ND would be the highlight of their season because, to them, we are always relevant. Bring on the best possible team we can play and let the game take it's course. Nothing is assurred - that's why they play the games. Anything can happen on any given day in College Football and I would love the opportunity to face the best team we can.

Would a blowout loss hurt us in a major bowl? Let's see...in who's eyes? In your co-worker's opinions around the water cooler or maybe in Mark May's eyes? I don't care about either one of those. When it comes to post season opinions, the only opinion that matters is what the recruits think and we seem to be doing a pretty darn fine job there. The last two recruiting classes didn't seem to be hurt too much by the BCS losses in '05 and '06. From where I am sitting the only opinions I really see a BCS loss hurting is right here on these boards from ND fans.

I will welcome a huge bowl game and I don't care who we play. ACC, SEC, Big 12 - it doesn't matter! We are ND and we don't run and hide from anyone!

 

[Irish 83]

Maybe the question should be, would you rather lose to a great team or would you rather beat a good team. Because we are NOT a great team, anyone who claims that we are right now is ignorant. We ARE a good team, and match up favorably aginst other "good" teams.
I agree that you have to beat the best to be the best, but right now we are not the best.
Persoanlly I always like the win. Never liked a loss no matter how competitive we were, or how well we played.
Would any of you even consider North Carolina or Michigan St. a "great" team? I don't.

 

[Iron Machine]

If we beat USC at USC, I have no fear of a BCS bowl anyway.

Well said. Everyone is scared to play a top team in a BCS bowl. If we beat USC that shows we can play with anyone bring on any other punk team, an Orange Bowl vs Florida State would have just as much viewers as the National Title.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

ACamp,

P.P.S. the day ND starts thinking like you guys are talking is the day they should take down that sign the players tap every time they walk out onto that field.

Fuck. Suit me up. Put me in Coach! I'll put a hurt on the motherfucker.

Wondering - didn't anyone learn anything from Appalachian/Michigan?

There is no superpower. I have watched JC games where talent abounds. They could beat LSU 10 out of 10. But they could care less about school and they probably boning your mother and sister and daughter right about now. When they not in the cell.

ND gonna have to really pull it together and work their tails off to become competitive.

Mark (sorry for cussing) my words now: When ND destroys competition from here on out, we will look back at the miracle moment goal line stop at the SDSU game. It launched ND and grounded SDSU.

Maybe it is the simple Gold helmets.

I just farted.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I always make the comment that we dodge noone and everyone we play brings their "A" game. I think it still rings true even though this years schedule is the weakest I can recall in a long time. Still, times are different now. Nobody is "stacked" anymore. Some may get hot for awhile and look invincible, but I really think any team ranked in the top 25 or 30 is capable of beating anyone. Some just match up better. Is 52 to 38 a blow out? What about 14 to zip? I hope we get the best bowl and face the best team but, first of all, I would just like to win. We may may match up well with an SEC team. Can we stay in the field with Florida? What about Ole Miss? (see what I mean?)
You never know who will come ready to play. It is a game of emotion. Talent dont hurt but we got plenty of talent, we need confidence and more attitude. PERIOD!

Right on. (In my humbled opinion)

 

[TheMightyQuinn10]

Right on. (In my humbled opinion)

humble my a$$...

 

[phork]

In regards to AppSt/Mich? How about in reality, AppSt/LSU? LSU destroyed that same team.

 

[ACamp1900]

college football is the only major sport in the country where perception matters... 18 year olds listen to Mark May, read these articles by guys like Whitlock... just like GoIrish said worry about the recruits... I am and our image in the press does not help that...oh yeah, and there is also this thing called the AP poll

So if you all think the nations opinons on ND football don't matter you're blind...

if we win a BCS bowl flippin fantastic... give me the bowl we have the greatest chance of winning until that happens, shouln't be hard to understand...

win a freaking bowl game

again you guys are like Cool Hand Luke getting beaten to a pulp stating "I got ya right where I want ya..."

so yes,

1.) the rest of the country does not take us seriously and yes it matters... winning any bowl won't solve that, but it will help more than losing a big one.... again
2.) I never said lets "bow out" of a big game if we get into one... I said we would be better served in the sun bowl imo... two completely different statements... people are obviously reading what they want to hear in my posts, besides the thread did in fact ask the question, which would you want??? I stand by it... give me the sun bowl
3.) No one understands the ND effect in high level bowl games more than I... that alone is the number one reason we haven't won a bowl since 93... I know it won't stop any time soon... does that mean I have to like it and stick my chest out while completely ignoring the fact that we have been KILLED in our last, what, five bowl games???

 

[ACamp1900]

I guess it comes down to this, I love the passion you guys have in regards to our competition but I just can't share your enthusiasm after the last 15 years...

I personally feel ND has been on the edge of falling from the top 25 programs in the country (not in the polls but a year to year overall average) for maybe the first time since Rock took over the program... I also have felt for a very long time now that the majority of fans here look at ND as one moment away from 1988... so I understand the divide...

I am a huge die hard fan but also a realist. Sorry stating objectively that you don't think our boys have a good shot against another team if that statement is objective does not diminish fandom one bit... in fact I respect that fan a little more than the one who claims a national title awatis the end of every season

until we take certain baby steps most of the pundits are right about us... we must start recruiting the five star defensive studs... we must get more competitive when we play top ten teams and we must start winning bowl games...

in regards to the last there are obviously two schools of thought

1.) rush head long into the most difficult game avilible until we finally win just as we have been doing for 15 plus years
2.) Hope the stars align one year and the best bowl we can get is a bowl we are actually favored in, take care of buisness and end one of the darkest marks attached to ND currently

both views are understandable depending on the light I suppose

Steve thinks I'm a pansey, I think he's blind

we're both ND fans and no matter what bowl we do or don't get into we'll be cheering for ND together I'm sure

















Sun Bowl 09

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

I think you are both glorious.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I guess it comes down to this, I love the passion you guys have in regards to our competition but I just can't share your enthusiasm after the last 15 years...

I personally feel ND has been on the edge of falling from the top 25 programs in the country (not in the polls but a year to year overall average) for maybe the first time since Rock took over the program... I also have felt for a very long time now that the majority of fans here look at ND as one moment away from 1988... so I understand the divide...

I am a huge die hard fan but also a realist. Sorry stating objectively that you don't think our boys have a good shot against another team if that statement is objective does not diminish fandom one bit... in fact I respect that fan a little more than the one who claims a national title awatis the end of every season

until we take certain baby steps most of the pundits are right about us... we must start recruiting the five star defensive studs... we must get more competitive when we play top ten teams and we must start winning bowl games...

in regards to the last there are obviously two schools of thought

1.) rush head long into the most difficult game avilible until we finally win just as we have been doing for 15 plus years
2.) Hope the stars align one year and the best bowl we can get is a bowl we are actually favored in, take care of buisness and end one of the darkest marks attached to ND currently

both views are understandable depending on the light I suppose

Steve thinks I'm a pansey, I think he's blind

we're both ND fans and no matter what bowl we do or don't get into we'll be cheering for ND together I'm sure

















Sun Bowl 09

Pansy.



You make good points.

 

[mick2]

college football is the only major sport in the country where perception matters... 18 year olds listen to Mark May, read these articles by guys like Whitlock... just like GoIrish said worry about the recruits... I am and our image in the press does not help that...oh yeah, and there is also this thing called the AP poll

So if you all think the nations opinons on ND football don't matter you're blind...

if we win a BCS bowl flippin fantastic... give me the bowl we have the greatest chance of winning until that happens, shouln't be hard to understand...

win a freaking bowl game

again you guys are like Cool Hand Luke getting beaten to a pulp stating "I got ya right where I want ya..."

so yes,

1.) the rest of the country does not take us seriously and yes it matters... winning any bowl won't solve that, but it will help more than losing a big one.... again
2.) I never said lets "bow out" of a big game if we get into one... I said we would be better served in the sun bowl imo... two completely different statements... people are obviously reading what they want to hear in my posts, besides the thread did in fact ask the question, which would you want??? I stand by it... give me the sun bowl
3.) No one understands the ND effect in high level bowl games more than I... that alone is the number one reason we haven't won a bowl since 93... I know it won't stop any time soon... does that mean I have to like it and stick my chest out while completely ignoring the fact that we have been KILLED in our last, what, five bowl games???

i have to respectfully disagree here acamp, especially towards the comment about the recruits, if charlie can go and pull a top ranked recruiting class in the midst of last seasons debacle and all of the ND bashing that was going on last year, i believe he can do it no matter what.

I don't think these kids care about what people are saying about the program, (besides the ones smart enough to get into ND are usually smart enough to form their own opinions) they care about 2 things.

1.playing time
2.getting to the nfl

charlie can give them both right now.

And i understand the argument about wanting a lesser bowl, yes i want a bowl win to, it does wonders for recruiting, not to mention the extra month of practice, and i too would love to see them in the Gator bowl mainly because i think that is where they'll end up and i'll be there.

But why not a bigger bowl?

The fiesta against osu was much closer than the scoreboard appeared.
Yes, we were shellacked by an absolutely loaded lsu team
and yes, last year was a disaster.

i think last year has scared the shit out of some of us ND fans, but believe it or not last year is dead, in my eyes as well as the teams eyes, we should not be scared of any team, i say if we are good enough to beat sc which is what we'll need to do to be in a bcs bowl, then we are good enough for a bcs bowl.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Might be the dumbest response I have ever read on this board. Others seemed to "get it." You didn't. You just fell out of BCS consideration.

I really could not care less about the bowl losing streak. I posted before that I think ND shows up to lower tiered bowls ready to have fun after exams, and since the NC is not a possibility, then fuck it. Live it up. Just my imagination.

ALL OR NOTHING you Padomerdummy.

(P.S.) Really like your posts. You da man

I just think there are so many benefits by going to a bowl game, any bowl game, that outweigh what game it actually is. I agree with your point about some not taking it seriously if it is not thhe BCS. But all of the extra practices and exposure by at least playing in New Years Game outweigh the negatives, I think.

But we are each entitled to our opinion, and I know that we will both be rooting for the Irish regardless of who and when they play.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

college football is the only major sport in the country where perception matters... 18 year olds listen to Mark May, read these articles by guys like Whitlock... just like GoIrish said worry about the recruits... I am and our image in the press does not help that...oh yeah, and there is also this thing called the AP poll

So if you all think the nations opinons on ND football don't matter you're blind...

In one post you talk about how recruits read these things and opinions matter...

I personally feel ND has been on the edge of falling from the top 25 programs in the country (not in the polls but a year to year overall average) for maybe the first time since Rock took over the program... I also have felt for a very long time now that the majority of fans here look at ND as one moment away from 1988... so I understand the divide...

I am a huge die hard fan but also a realist. Sorry stating objectively that you don't think our boys have a good shot against another team if that statement is objective does not diminish fandom one bit...

until we take certain baby steps most of the pundits are right about us... we must start recruiting the five star defensive studs... we must get more competitive when we play top ten teams and we must start winning bowl games...

...and then the next you turn around and say you don't think our team has a shot against top ten teams.

I respect your opinions and your beliefs. However, your execution demonstrates a bit of hypocrisy. You are trying to avoid negative perceptions and opinions, but then perpetuate that in the very next post.

If you don't respect me as much because I choose to believe we will win the National Championship every year and we will beat every team every game, that is fine. Doesn't really bother me at all. I choose to exalt the joy and hope of college football rather than be a cynic (or realist, as you call it) and think the worst. Any team can win on any given day. I would much prefer to have a shot at magic, no matter how slim that may be, than go for the safe bet in the hopes people will think better of us.

Recruiting is fine. If we can get the kind of class that we have here as freshman after the year we had last year, then I have no worries about the staff's ability to recruit in light of negative opinions.

I am focused on beating Pitt this weekend. Bowls will take care of themselves!

GO GET 'EM BOYS!!!!

 

[SteveM]

Stürmin' und Drangin'

Stürmin' und Drangin'

I understand all of the Stürm und Drang. But let me make two points that I've made before.

1. ND is gonna play the best dance partner that asks. Noodling around that just emotionally exhausts you guys. That's like spending your time getting dazed and confused by reading my old posts. Who in his right mind would want to re-experience that?
2. Boston College as a yardstick. However good BC is, ND should be better. BC is not BCS bound. But they still have played some damn good football over the last 10 years. Better than ND. Given BC's academic rep, it's NE location, and lack of ND history that should never be the case. As long as BC is matching up, ND should be matching up only better.

It's shit or get off the pot time.

SteveM

P.S. I have Mother Gertrude from TLSOTP on Line 2 inquiring about a match up. Any of you mugs wanna take the call?

 

[ARALOU]

I guess it comes down to this, I love the passion you guys have in regards to our competition but I just can't share your enthusiasm after the last 15 years...

I personally feel ND has been on the edge of falling from the top 25 programs in the country (not in the polls but a year to year overall average) for maybe the first time since Rock took over the program... I also have felt for a very long time now that the majority of fans here look at ND as one moment away from 1988... so I understand the divide...

I am a huge die hard fan but also a realist. Sorry stating objectively that you don't think our boys have a good shot against another team if that statement is objective does not diminish fandom one bit... in fact I respect that fan a little more than the one who claims a national title awatis the end of every season

until we take certain baby steps most of the pundits are right about us... we must start recruiting the five star defensive studs... we must get more competitive when we play top ten teams and we must start winning bowl games...

in regards to the last there are obviously two schools of thought

1.) rush head long into the most difficult game avilible until we finally win just as we have been doing for 15 plus years
2.) Hope the stars align one year and the best bowl we can get is a bowl we are actually favored in, take care of buisness and end one of the darkest marks attached to ND currently




I recall one year back in the early nineties when ND played Florida in the Sugar Bowl. The media and haters said we did not belong in that bowl because of our 8-3 record (I think). Florida was ranked in the top five. The media said we got the bowl because of the fan base and not because we were good. Guess what? We stomped a mudhole in their ass.
We never got any respect then and we dont get any now. Remember Miami? How they cried that they were the better team at the "end" of the season and we did not deserve to be #1? As long as I can remember (and that goes back before 88) There have been folks that were either jealous or just plain hated the Irish.

The Bush Push game was a great one. Even though we lost I was proud of the team for not folding. The bowl games have been disappointing but I see some good football in store for us the next few years. Can we get a National Championship? Hell I dont know. We should be good though. I really like this Irish football team.

 

[ACamp1900]

If you don't respect me

again you read whatever it is you want in my posts... I never said anything close to not respecting you... the comment was a response to Steve questioning the fandom of those who don't think we can win a BCS bowl right now... I said I respect both and might actually have more respect for the fan who can admit his teams shortcomings and still stay loyal as ever

and simply because you misunderstand my posts does not make me full of 'hypocrisy'...

I stated the negative vibes can hurt (Chris Donald, A Benn and others all but admitted they screwed us on purpose) and that a lot of those vibes come from our bowl record so let's win a bowl game...

this isn't philosophy of ethics class where we drop Strawman's and critque each other's structure, it's a message board... as a teacher I come here to get away from doting every i... but to each his own there...

 

[ACamp1900]

I recall one year back in the early nineties when ND played Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

The Bush Push game was a great one.

I remember that too.... it was 17 years ago.............

the Bush Push was obviously 'the one game' I was referring to...

Also, I'd go back and rewatch the Fiesta Bowl... the game was actually a lot worse than the score indicated...

game stats

--------------US tOSU
Total Yards 348 617
Passing 286 342
Rushing 62 275
Penalties 6-48 7-53
3rd Down Conversions 9-17 8-12
4th Down Conversions 1-2 0-0
Turnovers 0 2
Possession 29:16 30:44

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

If you don't respect me as much because I choose to believe we will win the National Championship every year and we will beat every team every game, that is fine.

At least if you are going to quote me, quote me correctly. I said "IF you don't respect me..." and that eluded to the fact that I do believe those things I listed.

again you read whatever it is you want in my posts... I never said anything close to not respecting you... the comment was a response to Steve questioning the fandom of those who don't think we can win a BCS bowl right now...

and simply because you misunderstand my posts does not make me full of 'hypocrisy'...

I stated the negative vibes can hurt (Chris Donald, A Benn and others all but admitted they screwed us on purpose) and that a lot of those vibes come from our bowl recrod so let's win a bowl game...

this isn't philosophy of ethics class where we drop Strawman's and critque each other's structure, it's a message board

The only hypocrisy I was referring to was in regards to you saying perceptions of people from the media and the public does matter to the recruits and then you turn around and say the team is not able to beat top ten caliber opponents. You called out a problem and then did exactly what you called out. That was all. Meant no offense. Never said YOU were a hypocrite, just said some of your actions were, in my opinion hypocritical.

I know this isn't philosophy of ethics, but some of your arguments are a bit flawed. You used the Chris Donald and A Benn examples saying they screwed us on purpose. Why? Because of our bowl record? I don't get it. Even if that was the case, if a player is the kind to "screw people on purpose" I don't want them on the team anyway, so good riddance.

Just making some points too. If you think I am being overcritical, I am just responding to your posts as well as you are to mine. Didn't mean for anything to be taken personally.

 

[ACamp1900]

At least if you are going to quote me, quote me correctly. I said "IF you don't respect me..." and that eluded to the fact that I do believe those things I listed.



The only hypocrisy I was referring to was in regards to you saying perceptions of people from the media and the public does matter to the recruits and then you turn around and say the team is not able to beat top ten caliber opponents. You called out a problem and then did exactly what you called out. That was all. Meant no offense. Never said YOU were a hypocrite, just said some of your actions were, in my opinion hypocritical.

I know this isn't philosophy of ethics, but some of your arguments are a bit flawed. You used the Chris Donald and A Benn examples saying they screwed us on purpose. Why? Because of our bowl record? I don't get it. Even if that was the case, if a player is the kind to "screw people on purpose" I don't want them on the team anyway, so good riddance.

Just making some points too. If you think I am being overcritical, I am just responding to your posts as well as you are to mine. Didn't mean for anything to be taken personally.

I said there IS a problem, it DOES exist and until we win a bowl game it will get talked about and add to the overall problem that ends with us missing out on five star guys who are lighting it up at other schools... I also said I believe we have a very slim shot in any BCS bowl... where is the hypocritical nature there???? again you are only hearing certain things or completely missunderstanding the points being made......