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Stellar performance by #7 this week, (sure it was against Stanford) what's your take IE?
 

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Stellar performance by #7 this week, (sure it was against Stanford) what's your take IE?

He's making great throws, he has touch, he has zip. He's making great decisions, reading the defense and calling audibles. All things I said he couldn't do three short weeks ago.

He looks awesome.
 
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The experience helps a lot, I'm really proud of the steps he's taking, has taken, and will continue to take!

Go Jimmy! Go Irish!
 

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the thread title should be changed to...

'Jimmy Clausen. King of the Laser, Rocket Arm.'
 
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Clausen is playing well. The thing I do wish he'd correct is that hitch in his throwing motion. For example the TD pass to the Kyle Rudolph. Nice play. But he's got to learn to use his wrist in that situation because the area is so congested. And a wrist motion enables a QB to better pump fake because it's just a wrist flicker. That little hitch windup limits his flexibility. Clausen has the arm strength, so that should be coached out of him. (Kerry Collins had it bad coming out of Penn State.)

And Re: IrishFan4Life's link to the Echos... video. I really enjoyed that, IF4L. Thanks for posting it.

I had forgotten how good those guys and Joe Montana were. ND is nowhere near that yet as a team. And Montana had FBI (Football Instinct) that was phenomenal. Jimmy can only pray for that kind of field vibe.

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Considering the O line this guy has in front of him and the complete lack of a rushing attack I'd say it is fair to call Jimmy Clausen the greatest QB ever to play the game of football at this point... but let's see if he can raise his level of play a bit from there
 

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I think it also needs to be pointed out that JC's great play happen to fall in line with ACamp shaving his goat and putting Jimmy in as his avatar.... coincidence, I think not...







just think what he'll do agaisnt SC after Acamp shaves is balls and gets a JC tattoo on his chest...........
 

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I think it also needs to be pointed out that JC's great play happen to fall in line with ACamp shaving his goat and putting Jimmy in as his avatar.... coincidence, I think not...







just think what he'll do agaisnt SC after Acamp shaves is balls and gets a JC tattoo on his chest...........


Camper,

i've got a sweet picture of golden tate making a one handed catch in the rose bowl. i should probably set it as my avatar.


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who are you playing there?? Iowa State??
 
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I think it also needs to be pointed out that JC's great play happen to fall in line with ACamp shaving his goat and putting Jimmy in as his avatar.... coincidence, I think not...







just think what he'll do agaisnt SC after Acamp shaves is balls and gets a JC tattoo on his chest...........

Re: shaves...

Acamp, wadda ya think you stumbled onto the Miami site? This is ND for crying out loud.

SteveM
 

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Clausen is playing well. The thing I do wish he'd correct is that hitch in his throwing motion. For example the TD pass to the Kyle Rudolph. Nice play. But he's got to learn to use his wrist in that situation because the area is so congested. And a wrist motion enables a QB to better pump fake because it's just a wrist flicker. That little hitch windup limits his flexibility. Clausen has the arm strength, so that should be coached out of him. (Kerry Collins had it bad coming out of Penn State.)

And Re: IrishFan4Life's link to the Echos... video. I really enjoyed that, IF4L. Thanks for posting it.

I had forgotten how good those guys and Joe Montana were. ND is nowhere near that yet as a team. And Montana had FBI (Football Instinct) that was phenomenal. Jimmy can only pray for that kind of field vibe.

SteveM

I'd like to see him do a better job of hiding the ball on running plays. He sticks that ball out there the second he receives the snap and it telegraphs the play to the defense. Otherwise....:clap:
 
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I'd like to see him do a better job of hiding the ball on running plays. He sticks that ball out there the second he receives the snap and it telegraphs the play to the defense. Otherwise....:clap:

NDM,

Great pickup. Agree. That's another thing that's all coaching. The sleigh of hand has to be done every play. Even when it doesn't matter. That's the only way to condition the D to respect the fake.

And when the D eventually gets sucked in, the payout can be huge.

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I'd change the thread to . . .

I'd change the thread to . . .

the thread title should be changed to...

'Jimmy Clausen. King of the Laser, Rocket Arm.'

"Weis, the master recruiter."
 

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Clausen is getting better and better each week. His accuracy was great on Saturday 29-40 (72%). I also would like to give credit to his wide receivers because they have saved him a few times this year. The o-line is improving as well and they too will keep on getting better. Not all QB's are like a Sam Bradford or a Tim Tebow. All Clausen needed was time and I think he will keep on progressing.
 

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I think what your seeing is Clausen becoming more poised and mature. The sky is the limit with him. As long as the line continues to give him time, he should set records for ND.
My only hope is that they win a Bowl game this year. Best of luck to Jimmy and ND.
 

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I'd like to see him do a better job of hiding the ball on running plays. He sticks that ball out there the second he receives the snap and it telegraphs the play to the defense. Otherwise....:clap:

That's the stretch play, in which the QB is actually taught to do that. Watch the way Peyton Manning does it. He sticks the ball out immediately, and runs (kinda looking like he doesn't know what he's doing) towards the RB with the ball out the entire time. But on play-action, Peyton snaps it back and looks downfield. We don't run play-action off it hardly at all, so he looks like he's telegraphing the play, when in reality he's supposed to be setting up the play-action.

As for the original point of the thread, NDMontana, you know from my over-the-top reactions to our old arguments about him that I've got a major man-crush on Clausen. I'm not one to be overly blindly optomistic, but he's a special, special player. I've been reading about him down here in Socal since he was a 7th grader (no lie), so to see him flourishing into IMO the best pro-style QB in college football today is quite thrilling/satisfying. ND has a great one boys and girls, so let's enjoy this next year and a half that we have with him...
 

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That's the stretch play, in which the QB is actually taught to do that. Watch the way Peyton Manning does it. He sticks the ball out immediately, and runs (kinda looking like he doesn't know what he's doing) towards the RB with the ball out the entire time. But on play-action, Peyton snaps it back and looks downfield. We don't run play-action off it hardly at all, so he looks like he's telegraphing the play, when in reality he's supposed to be setting up the play-action.

BUT, if we dont run PA off of it it defeats the entire purpose..........

not JC's fault he doesn't call the plays but it goes a long way in the failing of the running game to this point in the season
 

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That's the stretch play, in which the QB is actually taught to do that. Watch the way Peyton Manning does it. He sticks the ball out immediately, and runs (kinda looking like he doesn't know what he's doing) towards the RB with the ball out the entire time. But on play-action, Peyton snaps it back and looks downfield. We don't run play-action off it hardly at all, so he looks like he's telegraphing the play, when in reality he's supposed to be setting up the play-action.

As for the original point of the thread, NDMontana, you know from my over-the-top reactions to our old arguments about him that I've got a major man-crush on Clausen. I'm not one to be overly blindly optomistic, but he's a special, special player. I've been reading about him down here in Socal since he was a 7th grader (no lie), so to see him flourishing into IMO the best pro-style QB in college football today is quite thrilling/satisfying. ND has a great one boys and girls, so let's enjoy this next year and a half that we have with him...

I would prefer two and half!!!

As to the original counterpoint: Yep, I know what a strech play is!!!:wink: He really sticks that ball out here on every play, imo, even on dives. I'm not saying that is the root cause of our running (or lack there of) game. I just don't think it helps!!!
 

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I would prefer two and half!!!

As to the original counterpoint: Yep, I know what a strech play is!!!:wink: He really sticks that ball out here on every play, imo, even on dives. I'm not saying that is the root cause of our running (or lack there of) game. I just don't think it helps!!!

Yeah, I friggin' hate the stretch play personally. It's too slow developing, and then we sometimes run it to the short-side of the field with AA, when he needs room to run, so of course it gets stuffed. I haven't noticed that Clausen sticks the ball out on all run plays, I'll have to look for that. All those little things add up when you can't run the ball for crap.

Let's pray for 2 1/2 more years!!!
 

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Yeah, I friggin' hate the stretch play personally. It's too slow developing, and then we sometimes run it to the short-side of the field with AA, when he needs room to run, so of course it gets stuffed. I haven't noticed that Clausen sticks the ball out on all run plays, I'll have to look for that. All those little things add up when you can't run the ball for crap.

Let's pray for 2 1/2 more years!!!

He promised four national championships so I figure he owes two at least!!! :pray:

I think he'll stay around! :pray:
 

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Just compare this year to Brady Quinn's sophomore year. Yeah. Now imagine Clausen in two more years. Sweet, huh?
 
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Sticking the ball out for everyone to see does not matter. It is just like weariing your seat belt when you drive. You want everything to be safe.

The tb needs to focus on taking the handoff. Most important thing is that the tb is allowed to see the ball clearly

Fundamental football.

Sticking the ball out for everyone to see can be used as a trick when QB pulls out just before the exchange and runs bootleg (for e.g.)

Personally, I don't like the play, but I think it is the grandchild of the short toss sweep, which later became the sprint draw, and is now called the stretch.

It could be a result of too many fumbled tosses.

Who knows.
 
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Sticking the ball out for everyone to see does not matter. It is just like weariing your seat belt when you drive. You want everything to be safe.

The tb needs to focus on taking the handoff. Most important thing is that the tb is allowed to see the ball clearly

Fundamental football.

Sticking the ball out for everyone to see can be used as a trick when QB pulls out just before the exchange and runs bootleg (for e.g.)

Personally, I don't like the play, but I think it is the grandchild of the short toss sweep, which later became the sprint draw, and is now called the stretch.

It could be a result of too many fumbled tosses.



Who knows.

That's just not true. If you can keep the defense guessing for even half of a second longer than you've gained an advantage. When you hear about quarterbacks doing the little things well they are talking about things like hiding the ball. The linebackers usually key on the quarterback, if he takes even one or two passing steps than it keeps them from attacking the line of scrimmage.

Peyton Manning sticks the ball out there on the strech play but on all other running plays he takes at least two steps that make it look like he's passing and then he sticks the ball out there. Favre is good at that too and so was Elway.

The only situation when it's useless to hide the ball is in goal line or short yardage situations when it's obvious you're going to run the ball.
 

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I side with Montana here... the more obvious a play is the less likely it is to work and lets face it... we have been doing something wrong with the running game... if anything he does it too often
 

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NFL just brooke down the strech play that the Falcons used against GB this weekend.... they went play action out of it and it was wide open for a TD.....

just sayin
 

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NFL just brooke down the strech play that the Falcons used against GB this weekend.... they went play action out of it and it was wide open for a TD.....

just sayin


Absolutely. At the very least fake the hand off and run a qb boot the other way. JC could throw or run off the boot. You could have Rudolph run a seven yard drag route and at least have that open. The Broncos (during the Elway years) and Niners (during the Montana years) ran a play like that all the time. It was called Boot Option. It was the play called when Dwight Clarke made "The Catch". It was highly effective and I think ND could incorporate it into their offense.
 

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Absolutely. At the very least fake the hand off and run a qb boot the other way. JC could throw or run off the boot. You could have Rudolph run a seven yard drag route and at least have that open. The Broncos (during the Elway years) and Niners (during the Montana years) ran a play like that all the time. It was called Boot Option. It was the play called when Dwight Clarke made "The Catch". It was highly effective and I think ND could incorporate it into their offense.


yeah but unless they are 'saving it', which against another D1 team come on, they are most likely not gonna use it at this point

unless you think CW doesn't trust the youth and O Line to exacute certain plays yet... and thus brings it out later when he sees improvement

either way, they have done nothing but telegraph the run to this point
 
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