Jimmy Clausen. King of the Chuck it up and pray.

[midwestguy]

Man.

He locks on to his WRs who run the deep fade and just chucks it up even when they are covered well. He got one today, but this is going to kill them against top teams.

Don't forget, Mich St. isn't even ranked and they handled us all day.

 

[bernbabybern820]

You act like other teams don't do this. You act like Quinn didn't do this all the time with Stovall, McKnight, and Samardzija. He has faith that his 6'5 receivers can go up and get the ball. Give him some time and he will get better at going through his progressions.

 

[midwestguy]

How long do I have to wait?

 

[ACamp1900]

Man.

He locks on to his WRs who run the deep fade and just chucks it up even when they are covered well. He got one today, but this is going to kill them against top teams.

Don't forget, Mich St. isn't even ranked and they handled us all day.

what game did you watch??? it was a pretty even game and MSU is damn good... in fact if we don't leave so many points on the field we win this game


but I do agree with the overall point of the thread... he was a toally different QB early in the fourth in that spread... it was beautiful... let's see that some more ....... PLEASE

 

[Steve]

brady quinn chucked it up to his receivers all the time. i rememer one time against 'cuse, he threw it up there and stovall caught it with 3 guys covering him.

 

[Golden_Domer88]

Simple answers:

Slant plays, spread them out with a empty back field. We cannot run the ball so why try? Can we get anello out on the defense to play outside linebacked or something
?

They looked flat and showed no emotion untill floyd made the great catch.

 

[SteveM]

JC Cliff Notes

JC Cliff Notes

Jimmy,

Not very good feet.

Windmill release

As already mentioned by another poster, not cognizant of the progression if there is one.

That's what we got for the next 3 years.

SteveM

 

[NDMontana]

Jimmy,

Not very good feet.

Windmill release

As already mentioned by another poster, not cognizant of the progression if there is one.

That's what we got for the next 3 years.

SteveM

I'm ready to see the Great Dane (Crist that is).

 

[Steve]

whoever thinks we need to see the 'great dane' is wrongggggggggggg

 

[NDMontana]

whoever thinks we need to see the 'great dane' is wrongggggggggggg

Don't you think that Clausen piled up a bunch of yards in the 4th quarter when MSU went into softer coverage? I don't think Clausen is bad, I just don't think he looks that good. I talked to my uncle after the game (he coached with the Patriots in the early 90's,Colorado State during the Lubick era and at Miami during the Erickson era) and he said it looks like Clausen can't read a defense. It doesn't mean that he's right, but he's the most knowledgeable person I know so I'll take his word for it.

 

[Steve]

clausen is only a sophmore, i like to think he'll learn to read defenses. maybe he will,, maybe he won't, but if you think dayne crist is gonna come in and light it up, you'd be really disappointed if he ever did come in this year, which he won't. he'd look alot worse than you think jimmy looks now and then everyone would just start calling for nate montana.

 

[NDMontana]

clausen is only a sophmore, i like to think he'll learn to read defenses. maybe he will,, maybe he won't, but if you think dayne crist is gonna come in and light it up, you'd be really disappointed if he ever did come in this year, which he won't. he'd look alot worse than you think jimmy looks now and then everyone would just start calling for nate montana.

Do you think that Clausen has made significant progress this season and why?

Tim Tebow was a sophmore playing in the SEC last year and he won the Heisman. There are other examples of sophmores having a big impact and playing well at quarterback.

Is this Clausen's lack of talent or maturation? Or is it the offense in general? He's had time to throw the ball, his receivers look good, so why isn't the "O" putting up any points?

I don't think Crist was do better than Clausen by any means but I would like to see what he's got.

 

[GreenGoblin]

Clausen was one of the most hyped high school quarterbacks in the history of college football. From what I have seen, Sam Bradford is 10x better than him and Terrelle Pryor is already looking better than him after only 4 games.

Calusen has very poor vision, he locks onto one receiver and thats it. But sometimes it isn't his fault, a lot of the plays we run has a receiver run an intermediate route and than a player run a fly route down field, not much innovation. Now, I understand we run a "pro-set" offense, but we need to spread it up a bit, and is a coincidence that when we went to five receivers we moved the ball at will against MSU? Than, when we went into those conservative two wide receiver sets, we faltered.

I will reserve my judgment on Jimmy until this season is over, if he continues to use the same throw it up and pray tactics in his junior season its time to give Crist the ball.

 

[phork]

Its certainly a combination of a lot of issues that need to be addressed. First and foremost is the OLine, period. MSU was just teeing off on us today, fulling expecting the pass. Pryor comes in, tosses 4 TDs. Mr. Boekman welcome to the bench. Clausen tossed some nice balls around, but I'll say it again... If You Can Not Run The Ball, You Are Going To Lose.
I snuck into Dantonios office on Thursday to steal the game plan, it said, MSU Gameplan: Give ball to Ringer.
Tenuta and Brown missed that one I guess. Not to mention our piss poor tackling.

 

[GreenGoblin]

Its certainly a combination of a lot of issues that need to be addressed. First and foremost is the OLine, period. MSU was just teeing off on us today, fulling expecting the pass. Pryor comes in, tosses 4 TDs. Mr. Boekman welcome to the bench. Clausen tossed some nice balls around, but I'll say it again... If You Can Not Run The Ball, You Are Going To Lose.
I snuck into Dantonios office on Thursday to steal the game plan, it said, MSU Gameplan: Give ball to Ringer.
Tenuta and Brown missed that one I guess. Not to mention our piss poor tackling.

Whats going on with Sam Young? He seems to be completely out of it and disinterested at times.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

you guys are all idiots. completely overreacting. jimmy is learning on the go with other players who are learning on the go. go look at the surrounding cast that sam bradford has. give me a break. he played one bad half and we want dayne crist? absolutely absurd. this board is just going to hell with all this bitching and moaning. does anybody even remember last year? how inept we were? we arent going to turn into the greatest show on turf overnight.

 

[MirageSmack]

Jimmy,

Not very good feet.

Windmill release

As already mentioned by another poster, not cognizant of the progression if there is one.

That's what we got for the next 3 years.

SteveM

Wow. A guy who has played less than 10 games in his career is already defined? He'll never get better? I guess my eyes lied to me today.

 

[MirageSmack]

I'm ready to see the Great Dane (Crist that is).

Hasn't he been totally lost in practice?!? Against a ND defense that can't stop other teams, what makes you think he is the next Joe Montano?

We are a fickle fan base for sure. We want coaches fired every 3-4 years, which is probably the crux of the problem to begin with. Our fans are too eager to return to the glory days of NC's, when I see that we can never get there in today's world where the best teams have the most violent players. Violent = criminal

 

[SoCalDomer]

I'm ready to see the Great Dane (Crist that is).

this is a bad idea. first, CW clearly said Sharpley is the #2 and by a significant gap above Crist. there is a reason for that. Crist is not ready. second, you think a true freshman is going to do better with all the reads and throws than a early enrolee sophmore and a senior? ugg

 

[SteveM]

SteveM - Cruel but Fair

SteveM - Cruel but Fair

Wow. A guy who has played less than 10 games in his career is already defined? He'll never get better? I guess my eyes lied to me today.

MirageGuy,

One thing I learned in life is that if you're gonna fail, fail early.

I'm watching Wake play Fla State right now. The Fla State QB Ponder got rushed, stepped up and then took off downfield for a 20 yard gain.

First thing. You ever notice how Jimmy never steps up? That is a fundamental QB move in a rush evasion arsenal. Either he has not been coached up on that or else he just does not have the feet to do it. And he can't help himself with the run. B Quinn wasn't super mobile, but his physical strength still gave him leverage to get yards on his own when he had to. Jimmy has not the foot speed nor the physicality to help himself.

Clausen's release? Frankly, that stinks. He can put the ball downfield but his windup is huge. Where are the 10 - 15 yard snap throws?

Again, coaching or does he even have it?

Mechanically, he's not even close to being there. You can coach stupidity out of a QB. But you can't coach out skill limitations. If Jimmy's not there by mid-season let him fail early and move on.

SteveM

 

[GreenGoblin]

you guys are all idiots. completely overreacting. jimmy is learning on the go with other players who are learning on the go. go look at the surrounding cast that sam bradford has. give me a break. he played one bad half and we want dayne crist? absolutely absurd. this board is just going to hell with all this bitching and moaning. does anybody even remember last year? how inept we were? we arent going to turn into the greatest show on turf overnight.

Says the guy who cant capitalize for crap.

One bad half? More like one bad year and almost a half.

As for the talent Sam Bradford has, we are the f'ing University of Notre Dame, if we cant some how recruit more talent than Oklahoma than something is wrong. And guess what? We have recruited more talent than Oklahoma, problem is our head coach for some reason can't develop these top tier players. Maybe Coach Weis is the problem?

 

[SoCalDomer]

Says the guy who cant capitalize for crap.

capitalization is not required. the tone in these threads is coming close to going over the line. everyone please calm down a little. if you disagree with a particular poster, discuss why without calling names or going after the person.

if you're too emotional after a tough loss, decide for yourself whether you should allow a cooling off period before you discuss these things.

 

[SteveM]

Grammatically Raised Hackles

Grammatically Raised Hackles

capitalization is not required. the tone in these threads is coming close to going over the line. everyone please calm down a little. if you disagree with a particular poster, discuss why without calling names or going after the person.

if you're too emotional after a tough loss, decide for yourself whether you should allow a cooling off period before you discuss these things.

What I find appalling are the double negatives...

SteveM

 

[PADOMERNUT]

all im saying there is so much negativity outside of this board, it is frustrating to come here and read it. if people do not understand the "perfect storm" that happened last year, then they are not true notre dame fans b/c they clearly were just not paying attention. Jimmy Clausen looks light years ahead of where he was last year and is far beyond what Brady Quinn was his sophmore year. bottom line is we dont have the talent oklahoma or florida have right now. that is going to take time.

 

[patman1868]

I wonder if the play calling is also a factor in why he throws it deep. I think they should start call more short to intermediate routes like they did later on in the game. He seems to be able to throw those routes real well. Also by running the intermediate routes defenders will have to start creeping up, then you can take your shots down the field. So basically I think the play calling needs to become a little more balanced.

Also I dont know why every one is giving up on Clausen so quick this is the first year when he is completely healthy, and he is still a young QB, I mean Quinn did not turn out to be really good until his junior year, we should just be patient and see how he progresses this year. Also its not like we have a great backup ready to come in and take over this team. The team would probably be a lot worse if we decided to start a walk on or Crist who is very talented but was having trouble with the playbook.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

patience is not something many on this board have, but i agree completely with your statements patman.

 

[NDMontana]

this is a bad idea. first, CW clearly said Sharpley is the #2 and by a significant gap above Crist. there is a reason for that. Crist is not ready. second, you think a true freshman is going to do better with all the reads and throws than a early enrolee sophmore and a senior? ugg

No, I didn't say I thought he would do better. I said I'd like to see him. As I stated, if you read the entire post, I spoke to my uncle who has D1 and NFL coaching experience. He watched some ND games last season and watched the SDSU and Michigan games this year. His take: Clausen doesn't read defenses well. Am I fickle? Maybe. But I've seen enough sophmore quarterbacks do well (without the kind of PT Jimmy had in his freshman year) to expect more of Clausen. He's received a lot of hype, which isn't his fault, but he talked a pretty big game too, which is his fault. He's been proven wrong and so have the critics.

In his defense I will say that Charlie Weis needs to open the playbook and let Clausen sink or swim. This running to make a point stuff needs to end because the only point it has made is that we can't run. Our O-Line would make Rudy look like an All-American defensive end. And that's not being fickle; it's being honest. The beginning of today's game reminded of the Bob Davie era. You remember that era don't you?

1st Down: run
2nd Down: run
3rd Down: run
4th Down: Punt. Pray for the "D" to create a turnover or the punt/kick return teams to take one to the house.

That's not an effective strategy....unless you're Auburn or LSU.

 

[NDMontana]

I wonder if the play calling is also a factor in why he throws it deep. I think they should start call more short to intermediate routes like they did later on in the game. He seems to be able to throw those routes real well. Also by running the intermediate routes defenders will have to start creeping up, then you can take your shots down the field. So basically I think the play calling needs to become a little more balanced.

Also I dont know why every one is giving up on Clausen so quick this is the first year when he is completely healthy, and he is still a young QB, I mean Quinn did not turn out to be really good until his junior year, we should just be patient and see how he progresses this year. Also its not like we have a great backup ready to come in and take over this team. The team would probably be a lot worse if we decided to start a walk on or Crist who is very talented but was having trouble with the playbook.

I'm just having a hard time resigning myself to the fact that we aren't a premier program any longer. We can't reload like USC, Florida, LSU or any team of that ilk. I'm not going anywhere, I'll be an ND fan for life. But I find it loathesome to think that our glory days are behind us and that we are relegated to suffering through two bad seasons in order to have two good seasons.

 

[SoCalDomer]

No, I didn't say I thought he would do better. I said I'd like to see him.

so... you don't think Crist would be better... but you still want to see him in there. that is the most confusing thing i've read all day.

 

[ndlb41]

my personal opinion is that clausen is our quaterback and I think we ALL need to back him 100%!! I mean come on guys where the heck is your team spirit? I'm irish for life what about you?