Kevin White Is Leaving Notre Dame

[Jason Pham]

When has ND not prostituted it's football team for money???

Let's be serious now, the dome of ND is gilded with REAL GOLD...that did not appear through student tuition.

Not like any of the students don't feel like it did...

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Not like any of the students don't feel like it did...

I am sure they feel that way...but tuition is only part of the cost.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

No big deal. He'll take the same mind set in scheduling games for Duke's football team as he did for the Irish: crap teams that do nothing for your NC hopes when you beat them.

You do realize that ouy strength of schedule under White's scheduling was no worse than it was 30 years ago. Or 20 years ago. Or 10 years ago.

 

[Jason Pham]

I am sure they feel that way...but tuition is only part of the cost.

Clearly, my comment was made in jest.

 

[SoCalDomer]

I'm sure since I broke the news last night of White's resignation, the majority of you have done some research about the situation here in northern Indiana. For those of you who have not I've attached the link to WNDU, the NBC affiliate here in the South Bend area.

It's official: Irish Athletic Director Kevin White leaving for Duke

Hey, how about some reps for the report? Anybody? Hello?

you bet. neg reps coming your way. (j/k)

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Totally fine by me, you guys are right I like the stadium just fine the way it is.

 

[irish4life99]

When has ND not prostituted it's football team for money???

Let's be serious now, the dome of ND is gilded with REAL GOLD...that did not appear through student tuition.

You mean playing mid majors in lage venues not even in their state? White and his scheduling stradegy was turning ND into an exhibiton team, that's it. If you cannot see that, then there's not much I can say that will help you. Ten years ago fans would be horrified if we scheduled Duke, or Utah, or Conn. From someone who grew up across from ND stadium, has been to over 100 home games, the direction our football team is headed just wants to make me puke!

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

You mean playing mid majors in lage venues not even in their state? White and his scheduling stradegy was turning ND into an exhibiton team, that's it. If you cannot see that, then there's not much I can say that will help you. Ten years ago fans would be horrified if we scheduled Duke, or Utah, or Conn. From someone who grew up across from ND stadium, has been to over 100 home games, the direction our football team is headed just wants to make me puke!

You seriously need to go back and check your scheduling then. We scheduled these teams ALL THE TIME.

1995, we played all 3 Academies, Vandy, and Purdue!!!

That was Purdue when they had not won 6 games or more in 12 years!!!
That was Vanderbilt when they had not won 6 games or more in 14 years!!!
That was Navy when they had not won 6 games or more in 15 years!!!
That was Army when a good year was winning 6 games.

So in 1995, we played 4 teams that were JUST LIKE DUKE.

So, let's FIX your statement.

10 years ago, if ND only played 3 teams like Duke, they would have been happy, because WE PLAYED 4 teams like Duke/Conn/Utah.

It seems to me that you are yearning for scheduling years that were not reality.

ND's schedules in the last 10 years have been as hard as they ever were. ND's future schedules will remain in the Top25, but have somewhat returned to the 1960's-1970's era. I will grant you that.

You ever ask yourself why ND was so positioned to win NC's back then? Because we did not play the hardest schedule around. We played some tough ones, but the hardest schedules got ND losses.

 

[irish4life99]

You ever ask yourself why ND was so positioned to win NC's back then? Because we did not play the hardest schedule around. We played some tough ones, but the hardest schedules got ND losses.


OMG, are you trying to say ND's NC's were because of favorable scheduling? If so, this has to be one of the most inaccurate statments ever! ND's last NC we had the #1 SOS in the country. On the road to our NC we knocked of #1 Miami, then #1 USC, #3 Michigan, top ten Penn, top 25 Pitt. Over the last 10 years our SOS has been good, but not really up to ND's standard, and the future looks just sicking. Our predicted SOS in 08 is around #65; and gets worse after that.

As far as the 95 schedule, there were some patsys on it, but Navy is on the schedule every year, there's a historical component there that real ND fans know about. Navyhas had their ups and downs, but still they are no Duke. Navy owns Duke and has only 3 losing seasons since 95, and has been in bowl games everyone of those years except those 3. Duke has not had a winning season and has not been in a bowl since 94. Navy has owned Duke the last 6 years in a row, and has won 8 out of the last 10, and their overall record is 20-12 . In 1995 ND also played Texas, Ohio State, Washington (who was good then) USC, and Florida State. Also, all the patsies on that schedule would have spanked Duke every day of the week, and twice on sunday.

If you cant see that were dumbing down and trying to schedule a NC you're delusional. Some fans are for it and they don't care. I've been a ND fan for too long, and personally, I hate it. Nice try on the 95 schedule, but it blows anything we've played in the last decade away!

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

OMG, are you trying to say ND's NC's were because of favorable scheduling? If so, this has to be one of the most inaccurate statments ever! ND's last NC we had the #1 SOS in the country. On the road to our NC we knocked of #1 Miami, then #1 USC, #3 Michigan, top ten Penn, top 25 Pitt. Over the last 10 years our SOS has been good, but not really up to ND's standard, and the future looks just sicking. Our predicted SOS in 07 is around #65; and gets worse after that.

Feel free to go back through time andsee how that plays out. I agree the 1988 team played a tough schedule though.

Also, where are you getting these numbers about Purdue and Navy? Are you just making them up as you go? Navy has had only 3 losing seasons since 95, and has been in bowl games everyone of those years except those 3. Duke has not had a winning season and has not been in a bowl since 94. Navy has owned Duke the last 6 years in a row, and has won 8 out of the last 10, and their overall is 20-12 . Sorry there is no comparison period and please provide a link to your stats. Here's mine...

I was looking at Navy in 1995. That's the specific season I am looking at.
Notre Dame Fighting Irish Historical NCAA College Football Records Since 1945

There are the stats for you. The 1995 schedule was loaded with patsies.

BTW, in 1995 ND also played Texas, Ohio State, Washington (who was good then) USC, and Florida State. Also, all the patsies on that schedule would have spanked Duke every day of the week, and twice on sunday. Nice try though!

Washington was mediocre, BUT had been good 5 years before. (1995 was their 3rd 7 game winning season)
FSU was a bowl game, so they were not "scheduled".
USC was mired in mediocrity and that 9 game winning season was their peak in a while.

So we played more patsies. The same amount of top teams. And slightly less mid-tiers.

Nice try for you.

 

[irish4life99]

Feel free to go back through time andsee how that plays out. I agree the 1988 team played a tough schedule though.



I was looking at Navy in 1995. That's the specific season I am looking at.
Notre Dame Fighting Irish Historical NCAA College Football Records Since 1945

There are the stats for you. The 1995 schedule was loaded with patsies.



Washington was mediocre, BUT had been good 5 years before. (1995 was their 3rd 7 game winning season)
FSU was a bowl game, so they were not "scheduled".
USC was mired in mediocrity and that 9 game winning season was their peak in a while.

So we played more patsies. The same amount of top teams. And slightly less mid-tiers.

Nice try for you.

After I reread you posts, I misunderstood some of it, and corrected it. Didn't know you would reply so quickly.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Simply put: The schedule is not being dumbed down if you look at ND's schedules throughout it's history.

There have been times when ND scheduled the top schedule in the land. that is true. But that is not what made ND successful over the past 120 years.

For instance, Navy is a good team now...but in the years prior to Paul Johnson they could be downright horrible. Between the Staubach years and Johnson years, they were pretty much a patsy.

So in prior years we scheduled 3-4 patsies...now we have 2-3.

 

[coachjohnson]

What is Kevin White thinking? DUKE! I Cannot imagine leaving South Bend for Durham under any circumstances. At least Duke does have a great basketball team. I am a big Duke fan in basketball but I would rather at Notre Dame. I guess that's why I am where I am and he is where he is.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

What is Kevin White thinking? DUKE! I Cannot imagine leaving South Bend for Durham under any circumstances. At least Duke does have a great basketball team. I am a big Duke fan in basketball but I would rather at Notre Dame. I guess that's why I am where I am and he is where he is.

That's the key...he's the Athletic Director, not the Football director.

I am not sure how Duke fares in the Director's Cup Standings, but I bet fairly high. With David Cutcliffe going there to be the football coach...even football might improve.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

Lou is a football coach not an AD!!!

Holtz is a lot of things, including a sports castor now. I think Lou would be a great fit. He's talked before about wanting to come back to South Bend. Plus, a good AD with a ND football background coupled with a good coach, may spell good things for football recruiting. Plus, Hotlz had good ideas when he was a coach about where he wanted to see the football program go. Including a lot of ideas that forced him out of the position in the first place. I think bringing back the Lou is a good thing.

 

[ND22SB]

Holtz is a lot of things, including a sports castor now. I think Lou would be a great fit. He's talked before about wanting to come back to South Bend. Plus, a good AD with a ND football background coupled with a good coach, may spell good things for football recruiting. Plus, Hotlz had good ideas when he was a coach about where he wanted to see the football program go. Including a lot of ideas that forced him out of the position in the first place. I think bringing back the Lou is a good thing.

I agree all that you have quote about Lou being a sporstscaster, good coach, back to South Bend, but you have to remember that an AD's job is more then football. Football is the "money maker", but look at what White has done with some other up-and-coming major sports.

Hockey in the Frozen Four (first time ever)
Basketball - (Correct me if I'm wrong) Hired Mike Brey and the program is on the rise with the new-look ACC on the way for both sports
Softball - New stadium

This is the scenario I believe will happen (all comments welcome good or bad). Lou will be hired and the front page will read "Lou To Save Notre Dame" and he doesn't live up to the expectations. Everyone in 4 years will then say why did Notre Dame make that move just like some are saying this is Charlie's make or break year, but thats another discussion.

Lou is "The Man", but "The Man" for the job.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Holtz is a lot of things, including a sports castor now. I think Lou would be a great fit. He's talked before about wanting to come back to South Bend. Plus, a good AD with a ND football background coupled with a good coach, may spell good things for football recruiting. Plus, Hotlz had good ideas when he was a coach about where he wanted to see the football program go. Including a lot of ideas that forced him out of the position in the first place. I think bringing back the Lou is a good thing.

Lou Holtz would destroy ND football.

There is no way he could sit in an office 12 hours a day 6 days a week negotiating deals. This is an ADMINISTRATIVE post for a work-a-holic deal maker.

Lou Holtz is a motivator and coach...he's not a faceless adminstrator.