Recruit Commitments

[Irish52]

Just read where FL benefitted from 3 decommitments from other schools. Suggest the NCAA pass a rule whereby no coach or any member of his/her staff or any member of the schools administration can contact, by any means, a recruit who has verballed to another school until such time at the recruit officially decommits by written correspondence to the school to which he gave his verbal commitment. Should either the poaching school or the recruit commit violate this rule, then the NCAA would immediately penalize the offender in such manner as to discourage any further cheating. How, you say! Take away a scholarship for each incident wherein schools have violated the rule or deny a scholarship for 1 year to the recruit who doesn't play by the rules.

 

[NDOM]

AMEN! Benefitted from 3 decommits??? You mean they stole the commits therefore thats why they decommited? I mean I would decommit myself if FloriDUH offered me cash and prizes as well. It's not rocket science.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I hate Florida!

 

[KAPLAN]

We did just get Trevor Robinson, Jonas Gray, and KLM after they verballed to other schools.

 

[IrishRamMan10]

those were all due to coaching changes tho... i have no idea about Floridas.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Trevor, Jonas, and KLM all decommitted before giving ND their verbal (all due to coaching changes).

That's a big difference between Urbie poaching Trattou and Omar

 

[goldandblue]

Good point Kaplan, If they did create a rule like that all it would do is do away with early commits. Except for the few that want to go to one school and that's it. For all the recruits that are not sure as the recruiting begins they would most likely wait til last minute to give there commitments. No fun in that is there??

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

We haven't got KLM, yet.

 

[irishlaw77]

Coaches including Weis and Meyer both will talk to verbally committed kids, because it is just a verbal committment. If they are receptive to changing before the signing date, they will accommodate them if they are the type of player they want. That's just the game. Not everybody has Weis' policy of opening recruiting back up on the school's end once the verbally committed recruit starts taking other visits. Meyer is extreme in that he is much more patient, and actively looks for high profile commits at the end of the process, instead of trying to lock in early and hold on until signing day. While the Gators do a lot of slimy stuff, they are just playing the recruiting game legally, but in a different way. I guarantee that Urban is able to sleep at night just fine. You'd have to change the rules (early signing day perhaps) to counteract this practice I think. Granted, other practices alleged out there like getting jobs for family or scholarships for girlfriends are terrible, but not what we're talking about here.

 

[greenandblue]

i hate Florida but teenagers change their minds so much and are so unpredictable this rule just wouldnt be easy to control, also there would be a lot of confusion. I dont think it would work

 

[Irish Canuck]

I like the spirit of the rule... unfortunately... it would be impossible to keep track of and enforce.

 

[goldendomer18]

We did just get Trevor Robinson, Jonas Gray, and KLM after they verballed to other schools.

everyone does it which bothers me but we didnt call those players they called us so tecnically we didnt intiate anything

 

[phork]

Maybe they should make it illegal to offer gymnastics scholorships, if say your girlfriend was a gymnast to get you to commit to the football program.. Oh, wait... It is illegal to do that... Yah I guess Florida is just playing the game.
Don't worry, my guess is that Meyer will be headed to the pros after another few good years, and maybe a NC.

 

[Legacy]

How about an early signing period?

 

[ACamp1900]

We did just get Trevor Robinson, Jonas Gray, and KLM after they verballed to other schools.

beat me to it... but let's be honest... we all have heard the crap urban is throwing... breasts in boats... graduation rates that don't exist... ND aint' doing any of that bull I assure you

 

[IrishinTN]

This is definitely a tough one. We want to say our situations are different, which substantively, maybe they are (sometimes, but sometimes not- but we've had this discussion). But I'm sure other schools (and their fans) still aren't happy when it happens. And not only would our staff be foolish not to contact a kid just because he verballed to another school, they would be borderline irresponsible. We all know these 18 year old kids have a hard time making this decision, and although Urbie (as well as a few other underhanded coaches) uses tactics that are deplorable, it is also the coaches jobs to make sure these kids end up at a school that is right for them in all ways. If you consider Florida's abyssmal graduation rates, that is a good bit of evidence that the player's futures aren't necessarily at the forefront of their programs minds.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

There is nothing wrong for coaches to continue to contact a player who has verballed. It is up to the recruit to tell opposing coaches I'm not interested. Frankly, with all the coaching changes that occur, verbals mean little if the guy who recruited him is no longer there......which means that it's smart for the recruit to keep the lines of communication open in case things go horribly wrong for him. An early signing day would help the programs and the fans, but not necessarily the recruits.

 

[Irish Canuck]

I think this might have something to do with all the nonsense we see going on with recruits and commitments and school choices:

NEW YORK (CBS) ― The teenage brain continues to puzzle adults, especially parents. After all, teens are given plenty of adult responsibilities, but why does it seem like teens are the best at irrational decision-making?
"I think part of it is hormones," New York parent, Joe Vericker, Sr. says.
Doctors say the root of the problem lies even deeper than that. "There is something more complicated occurring with the way that the brain is managing information that occurs in adults and doesn't happen in kids," says Dr. David J. Langer of Roosevelt Hospital.
Now a study out of Pittsburgh says 13- to 17-year-olds simply seem to be wired differently than adults, and their brains just aren't as mature.
"A lot of their difficulty with making decisions or making bad decisions for that matter has to do with a sort of lack of experience and wanting to try new things," Langer says.
But he says that's only part of the story.
"The other is clearly maturation and experience and memory," Langer says.
Researchers say that as teenagers mature their brains lose unwanted and unnecessary nerve connections. They think more efficiently, and some would say, responsibly. But until then, bad and sometimes risky decisions may be hard-wired into the brain.
So, they need guidance.
"At times it works and at other times she has to learn on her own -- that's the only way we learn," parent Gwen Alexis says.
"You can't learn unless you fail and it's kind of like if you don't burn yourself on a candle you'll never know that it's hot," Langer adds.
"If you raised them right in the house then when they go out on their own and they have risky business -- you just hope they make the right decisions," Vericker Sr. says.

 

[NDfan70]

Stoney, good point and agreed. IMO, a coach whom actively recuits a player "hard" by means of negative methods or by means which are "morally" questionable (Meyers pool partys and BBQ's) after a recriut has verbally commited, just show his level of interity.

I know that this is the nature of the recruiting beast, but keeping the lines of communication open (ala KLM, Knox, and Wells) the way ND had, shows what type of character our staff appears to have as compared to other staffs.

Obviously, we don't know all the details which we apply, but from the surface, we seem to be on the up and up as compared to what has been posted and written about.

 

[Irish Canuck]

In the end... I look at it this way.

You're kid could get poached by a team like FU... and end up arrested, dejected, ejected, humiliated or lied to.

Or you're kid could get poached by ND... and end up with a solid committment from the school to get his ass graduated with an amazing door opening degree before he's done.

While I feel sorry for the kids that get poached to go to some of these schools. People should feel a sigh of relief when we poach a kid....

 

[NDfan70]

Ahhh, the "ND as a savior" approach. Oh, how befitting and what an interesting angle...

 

[irishlaw77]

Yeah, while I agree that ND is a great place to be--that's why I went there after all--you won't convince many others with the view that it's different when you do the same thing because we're superior.

 

[Irish Canuck]

I see your point Irishlaw77. However, I just don't feel as bad when ND poaches a recruit. Because I know Charlie won't turn around and gear the kid... and I don't think he'd lie or mislead a kid or offer his dog a scholarship just to get him like others would.