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might erupt, pretty sure it is already in Civil War. Bhutto was walking in a line of fire anyway, I am surprised this didn't happen earlier to be quite honest. Nobody wants to talk about how corrupt and unstable her government was when she was "leader" aka Dictator of Pakistan.
 
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A. Pakistan has nuclear bombs
B. They have fanatical muslim jihadists
C. Civil War
D=A+B+C=Not good.
 
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wow....al quada has 48% of Pakistan's public aproval. The Musharaf only has 18%. Sick country
 
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Well the United States actually backed Bhutto financially to get back into the realm of Pakistani politics. She was our only hope there. Now that she is dead, no idea what we are going to do. The U.S. interests are outlined in a N.Y. Times article on their home page.
 
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we need to go in and take out there nukes. or bomb them atleast
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Easier said than done.

Pakistan has assisted us in nabbing numerous Al-Qaeda terrorists. To simply go in and bomb them is tantamount to starting a world war. They are our ally in the fight against terrorism. We would look like back-stabbing friends if we were to invade that country.
 
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yes. She had been targeted before and was generally a constant target. Figure this- Islamic country, strong and popular female politician. Not generally an acceptable mix.
 
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They are our ally on paper. They harbor terrorists, that is no ally. Musharaff is a puppet
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What terrorists are they harboring? If you're thinking about Bin Laden, you are mistaken. Bin Laden is holed up somewhere along the Pakistan/Afghan border. More than likely, he's being aided by tribal leaders. Pakistan has tried quite a few times to either capture or kill him. He's being shuffled around and it's extremely difficult to pinpoint exactly where he is at any given time.
 
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What terrorists are they harboring? If you're thinking about Bin Laden, you are mistaken. Bin Laden is holed up somewhere along the Pakistan/Afghan border. More than likely, he's being aided by tribal leaders. Pakistan has tried quite a few times to either capture or kill him. He's being shuffled around and it's extremely difficult to pinpoint exactly where he is at any given time.
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Pull or troops out of Iraq, send them to Afghan/Pakistan border and blow his Fawking head off.
 
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Do you think it is a coincidence that al qaida has nearly a 50% approval rating. If you think "President" Musharaff is 100% with the United States, you are sadly mistaken. There is huge anti-US sentiment throughout that region, and to believe that they are not harboring terrorists is being ignorant.
 
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Do you think it is a coincidence that al qaida has nearly a 50% approval rating. If you think "President" Musharaff is 100% with the United States, you are sadly mistaken. There is huge anti-US sentiment throughout that region, and to believe that they are not harboring terrorists is being ignorant.
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No need for the name-calling. I never said Musharaff was 100% with the U.S. Do some research on the Afghan/Pakistan border. The U.S. military is not allowed into the tribal territories along the border. We have to rely on Pakistan to flush out the terrorists there. We don't have a choice in the matter.

I have yet to see any proof that they're "harboring terrorists".
 
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Oh i don't disagree with you that it is tribal and all that happy horse shit. They have refused to take care of that problem. So if in the U.S., the Cherokee tribe was executing terrorism and such it would be ok? Because that is what the article suggests
 
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Oh i don't disagree with you that it is tribal and all that happy horse shit. They have refused to take care of that problem. So if in the U.S., the Cherokee tribe was executing terrorism and such it would be ok? Because that is what the article suggests
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I don't believe that they've refused to deal with the matter of tracking down terrorists along the border.

Say you're looking for 1 person along a 500 mile border (The Afghan/Pakistan border is a lot longer than that, but bear with me on this). The person is known to be shuffled from one tribal territory to another, hidden in caves, and crossing the border from one country to another. How difficult do you think it would be to locate this person? If you were to ask for assistance from an ally, it could send your country into a civil war. The person has many sympathizers in your country and would be willing to do anything to topple your government.

This isn't an easy position for Musharaff to be in. He's the best we have right now. Would you rather have Musharaff in (who's proven his loyalty before), or someone you know nothing about and would turn to Al Qaeda at a drop of a hat?
 
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You raise some very good points. My personal belief ,and this has 0 evidence backing it, but why would the United States need to be in the Afghanistans/Pakistan border if Bin Ladin was dead? I think he might be dead and this is all a big show, because when Bin Ladin is dead/captured, the US government doesn't have any reasoning, as far as the American public is concerned, to have any interests there. As far as Musharaff's in concerned, I halfway agree with you. Yes its hard to catch one man in that type of terrain. My problem however is this, if Musharaff did not want to be an ally 100% of the time, he shouldn't have entrusted such a relationship with the United States in the first place.
 
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You raise some very good points. My personal belief ,and this has 0 evidence backing it, but why would the United States need to be in the Afghanistans/Pakistan border if Bin Ladin was dead? I think he might be dead and this is all a big show, because when Bin Ladin is dead/captured, the US government doesn't have any reasoning, as far as the American public is concerned, to have any interests there. As far as Musharaff's in concerned, I halfway agree with you. Yes its hard to catch one man in that type of terrain. My problem however is this, if Musharaff did not want to be an ally 100% of the time, he shouldn't have entrusted such a relationship with the United States in the first place.
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The U.S. military is at the border in Afghanistan. When we got rid of the Taliban, they escaped to the border. They, along with Bin Laden (who I believe is still alive), are holed up, waiting for the perfect opportunity to attack. They don't even need to leave the comforts of their caves to wreck havoc. They have sympathizers all over the world. There's even some here in the U.S. Don't think for a minute that if/when Bin Laden dies that we're safe from these guys. We're not hated just because we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. It goes much deeper than that. We are "The Great Satan" because of our friendship with Israel. Our foreign policy is constantly under attack. Not only from the Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East, but also from some of our own politicians. Nothing would make the terrorists happier than seeing the U.S wiped off the face of the earth. Musharaff was willing or possibly coerced into assisting us in this war. He's all we got. We need to have his cooperation and he needs ours. I would much rather have him in charge than some unknown whose trust has never been tested.
 
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Yes, I completely understand why we are hated and I know its not because we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. We were hated long before that. Whether it's foreign policy under Bush, economic stabilization practices, or our constant policing efforts throughout the world, I am not positive on the exact reason of anti-US sentiment. I would like to relate it to sports being that, most of the time, most people hate who is on top......ie.....Yanks, Pats, ND, and so forth. While you may think that is a poor attempt at an analogy, I find a little truth in it. It is definitely a risky situation developing in the far east, what will happen I have no idea. I am just happy I can have an intelligent conversation about someone about that, because I work with retards.
 
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irishfan1122 said:
Yes, I completely understand why we are hated and I know its not because we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. We were hated long before that. Whether it's foreign policy under Bush, economic stabilization practices, or our constant policing efforts throughout the world, I am not positive on the exact reason of anti-US sentiment. I would like to relate it to sports being that, most of the time, most people hate who is on top......ie.....Yanks, Pats, ND, and so forth. While you may think that is a poor attempt at an analogy, I find a little truth in it. It is definitely a risky situation developing in the far east, what will happen I have no idea. I am just happy I can have an intelligent conversation about someone about that, because I work with retards.
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I know what you mean about working with retards... I'm living with some. :)

I've enjoyed this discussion. There was no name-calling (on my part at least ;)), and interesting points were brought up. I remember Bush saying years ago that this will be a war like no other. The enemy is dressed like you or I, they can go from one country to another without being discovered, and there's no borders. It's a difficult fight and we have to use all of the resources at our disposal. There's no telling when or even if this war will end. All we can do is hope that our military and politicians are strong enough to endure and triumph.

That analogy makes perfect sense. I can also expand on that by saying that Russia is number 2, and is willing to do anything and use anyone to bring number 1 crashing down. Kind of a scary thought if you think about it.
 
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What's wrong with it? We have an excellent discussion going on, we're courteous, and no cursing is evident. All in all, I'd say it was perfect.
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I know, I was joking. He is usually here for the more serious discussions thats why i said it. It was a great discussion.
 
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hahaha, you have to talk politics. And being that it is my job, I really cant' go without talking about it
 
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